Prigozhin mutiny thread

sepheronx wrote:In any case, the positions Russia set up in Moscow is pathetic.

And all Russian media is repeating same shit over and over again how Ukraine is gonna take this opportunity. Literally, they quote everyone including someone's grandma about it.

I'm honestly surprised by all this

Edit: im with some people here who are extremely concerned but also curious as to why the authorities aren't actually acting.  Rybar said the same thing. Others said same thing. Lack of a real response.

But there is one thing about this "putsch" that is weird. For months we hear that the wet dream of the west is a insurrection or uprising in Russia to "win" the war
in 404. In the minute Russia is beating the shit out of western trained and equipped units in the great "counter-offensive" it is happening. With an advance warning
of maybe a day following more online rants of the cook. Which brings me to the question, did the authorities in Moscow let it happen to see who was willing to go
along with the putsch?

sepheronx wrote: Message from the press service of the President of the Republic of Belarus.

This morning, Russian President Vladimir Putin briefed his Belarusian counterpart on the situation in southern Russia with the private military company Wagner. The heads of state agreed on joint actions.
As a follow-up to the agreements, the President of Belarus, having additionally specified the situation through his own channels, and in agreement with the President of Russia, held talks with the head of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin.
Negotiations continued throughout the day. As a result, they came to agreements on the inadmissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of Russia. Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted the proposal of the President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko to stop the movement of armed persons of the Wagner company on the territory of Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions.
At the moment, an absolutely profitable and acceptable option for solving the situation is on the table, with security guarantees for the Wagner PMC fighters.
As previously reported, also during today, the President of Belarus held two meetings with the power bloc of the country on this situation.

This is from Rybar.

https://t.me/rybar/48969

So this is why there was no tough response, Lukashenko was negotiating with Prigohzin to get him to stop his tantrum.

Hole wrote:Most of these belarussian rats are known figures. The lack of a tough reponse could be to give the FSB time to take notes
which official sides with the putsch. Or to see if some of the western controlled rat lines are activated.

flamming_python wrote:
This is why half of Russia's population is just bemused or at best a little dumbfounded. Because we understand the general dynamics of our own country and our political system, elites and so on at least on an intuitive level if not academically.

Foreigners don't, hence why they're all running around like headless chickens and proclaiming civil war in Russia, or a 'power shift', or whatever.

Airbornewolf wrote:First off, it is best not to stick out your hand trough the bars to one of Alamo's zoo exhibit's Flamming

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And with all respect, But this is a bit more than some political tomfoolery.

my personal opinion what i find unacceptable, is that RF fixed wing and rotary aircraft are shot out of the sky by Wagner forces inside Russia with KIA's as result. Casualty's among ground forces are unknown to me at this time.

They might be not the full part of Wagner forces, but certainly a part of Wagner forces have no issue to go willingly into armed engagement with RF forces.
Outside of them killing RF servicemen, they are aiding the Ukrainian/NATO interests in this manner.

I respect the sacrifices by the Wagner forces in Ukraine. And i would never disgrace their work they have done in Ukraine.
I still do not think all of Wagner supports this, the most intense engagements where very localized up to this point.

regardless, this is treason to the highest degree.
And needs be dealt with accordingly.

The reasons Prigozhin mentions as frustration are bullshit.
He's not alone on this world, and Russia is fighting an war with NATO.
Resources are always in high demand, and some sectors take priority over other's.
Battlefield priority's shift.
And it includes unpopular decisions for the greater picture.

...and yes, other units get priority at times for resources.
That is an war against NATO and their allies.
They funnel everything in they can.
Anyone thinks that Russia is going to have an easy time?.

If Prigozhin can not understand that bigger picture. it is his problem.
But he chose to take up armed rebellion and kill RF servicemen.
His actions right now fall directly into the interests of NATO/Ukraine.

zorobabel wrote:A deal has been reached? So Prigozhin gets to do this again the next time he is upset? Freaking closn show.

zorobabel wrote:A deal has been reached? So Prigozhin gets to do this again the next time he is upset? Freaking closn show.

Isos wrote:Don't they have the Bolchoi for such drama ?

Anyway...

Hole wrote:I´m really shocked that there are people out there (and inside Russia) that think that this guy could be a better military planner than Stoneface Gerasimov.
Seriously? 

The critic on Shoigu and Gerasimov is founded on some dumbasses on Telegram channels that have no clue about the military outside of "tank shots, things explode!!!"
Shoigu is the reason why Russia is capable of going to war (currently indirectly) with the whole of NATO. According to western experts the GPD of NATO countries is
20 times as large as that of Russia, but Russia produces more shells in a week than all of NATO in one month. Or even more.

Regular wrote:“Party is over, bitches go home!”

Columns are going back.

flamming_python wrote:Yeah definately seems like a dud of an operation by the GRU or whatever genius. Well schmucks I hope making Russia into a laughing stock was worth it.

sepheronx wrote:

Regular wrote:“Party is over, bitches go home!”

Columns are going back.

par far wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Yeah definately seems like a dud of an operation by the GRU or whatever genius. Well schmucks I hope making Russia into a laughing stock was worth it.

I don't think this was an GRU operation but we will see, when fog lifts.

flamming_python wrote:Yeah definately seems like a dud of an operation by the GRU or whatever genius. Well schmucks I hope making Russia into a laughing stock was worth it.