Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11

mr_hd wrote:...For example they went to Croatia years ago and asked war veterans to give lectures to their forces and pass knowledge. ...

Did you miss the part where I said:

PapaDragon wrote:...their only combat experience is shelling civilian areas...

They maybe exchanged notes but there wasn't anything new to learn there  

mr_hd wrote:...They have very cleaver and creative command...and are super motivated, their survival as nation is at stake and those are people that have Cossacks as ancestors...that survived Hitler and Stalin...all those factors are real...

Spare me the BS, these are fucking zombies same as they were 50 days ago

Decent sized traffic police would have exterminated them by now

Russians are pussyfooting which is the only thing keeping Ukrainians alive

limb wrote:...It's not. It's an obsolete 80s tech missile inferior to the harpoon.

On the upside it does mean that all those Russian investments in anti-ship missiles (Onyx, Kinzhal, Zircon, etc...) were smart move

Problem is that they should not be using their own fleet to prove the concept

Belisarius wrote:The loss of Moskva will change the course of the conflict as much as the loss of HMS Sheffield...

I wish but considering track record so far...

Those big ol' tubes hold the Sunburn/Moskit still, don't they? If so, they're not really useful for ground targets.

They hold Vulcans, which like the Granits do have some land attack capacity...

Is it possible to rule out that Ukrainians were provided with a Western missile system but have claimed it was the domestically produced Neptune P-360 to avoid Russia escalating against whatever country provided it?

I say this because certain section of the press suggests that SAAB got orders for a new RBS15 anti-ship-missiles to replace 20 RBS15 that was given to Ukraine by Poland. Poland has both ship and land based platforms for launching RBS15.

Unlikely it was hit by anything like a missile.

And despite all the early warning systems and S -300F on board Moskva still got hit, badly. A bunch of clowns on board must be running the show.

Lots of speculation with no substantiation... definition of the west really...

Unfortunately the Ukrainians probably anticipate this and will flood whatever command centre with civilians.

So?

And why Russia didn't try a counter coup in the 2000s and esp after 2014.

If it wasn't for the Donbass and Lugansk regions being shelled and of course the WMD programmes in Ukraine run by the US, I doubt they would give the Ukraine a second thought... they got the Crimea back and that was all they wanted... if Kiev didn't keep pushing Russia to war they could have settled this easily enough.

Could Russia have support Yanukovich in 2014 or before? Maybe a civil war back then would have been easier than the war today?

Not really... in 2014 most of the food Russia ate came from the EU, and the Russian military had not had the experience it got from the Crimea and Syria.

You can argue the locals would be less indoctrinated, but that just means less nazis to kill.

The question is... how does Russia pay back ALL the perpetrators of evil?

Once the gas pipes to China are built they turn off the gas and oil and titanium and everything else and sell to other markets.

It was much weaker in the early 2000s than it is today. After the NSA affair in Europe the USA invested a great deal in the EU in order to infiltrate it. At the moment the EU is acting against its own interest and security for the goodwill of the US. In Germany some business bosses are already quite pissed off by the government's course, as Germany could lose significant economic weight.

The Americans spy more on the EU than on Russia and China combined because knowing where all the bodies are buried gives them a lot of power and influence.

Could it be possible that there is a hack in the Russian news? Why would the US government say it's moving under its own power?

Why would you believe anything they say?

Silly. The failures of the initial military operation can't be resolved by flattening towns and villages.

Might make Kiev pull its head in if they treat the nazi towns in the west the way the west treats the east....

Yes I'm glad everyone is acknowledging what a disaster this has been

Now calling for strikes, too little too late it seems

It has overshadowed everything, losing a fucking Slava

Get over yourself it is just a ship.

Completely understandable. Problem is the Ukrops are totally embedded in urban areas.

Urban areas in west Ukraine will never be occupied by Russian forces... not worth the cost... those nazis supplied the nazis to occupy the rest of the country.

I guess landing operation in Odessa will be out of option now.

Why?

Russia launched fewer than 200 sorties into Ukraine yesterday. This compares with 1,500 sorties per day flown by American-led forces during the active phase of invasion of Iraq.

But to be fair Russia isn't trying to commit genocide.

The place where my relatives live. Or do you think that there is no ethnically Russian population in Western Ukraine?

That region is very unlikely to be cleansed of nazis... if they want to stay they might as well start practising straight armed salutes like they do in the Baltic States.

The Ukrs are claiming a Bayraktar took out its radar and thus its main air defence capabilities, leaving just the AK-630s.

Yeah, because that makes sense... I mean obviously the 130mm gun mounts and the OSA SAMs and teh SA-N-6 missiles all use the same radar for guidance, so taking out one radar would mean it only has 6 x 30mm gatlings all easily capable of shredding low flying subsonic missiles... that is what they do.

It's not a major embarrassment, its a national humiliation and inevitably an international one too.

What is really embarrassing is the number of people who claim to be pro Russia repeating Kiev propaganda and blaming Putin for everything.

Would call you a bunch of but you clearly lack the depth and capacity to provide pleasure.

Maybe you are just gender confused...

Now with it sinking to the bottom we won't know if it was hit by a missile or a mine so Ukrainians get to decide what happened and they say it was the missile

So Kiev decides what happened...

And the trolls support your comment of course because nazis love nazis.

It does hurt, and it does matter a lot. The ship was not only the flagship of the BSF, it carried the name of the capital too

But I'm just as disappointed in the reaction of some people here, and on Russian telegram channels.

You are disappointed that members here dont accept Kiev propaganda as being true without question... then continue to be disappointed nazi.

What do you think the emotions of Kiev's army of warcriminals were, when they pierced the eyes of unarmed prisoners of war, or cut their throats and then finished them off with AK fire?

But you loved that didn't you, that is why you support their word in this discussion...

RuMOD idea of having a 12k ton cruiser that went 40 years without significant upgrade in the Black Sea "puddle" was also quite a move. Maybe a lesson will be learned but probably not.

Literally the only branch of the Russian Armed Forces that have a single shred of dignity is the airforce but I am sure they will just throw a Tu-160 into Kiev for lols as well. Time will tell.

It almost seems Russia wants to lose this war, amusing to see kvs coping hard. If Ukrainians counterattacked and took a Russian city somehow, he would say it was a tactical exchange lmao.

A cruiser meant to take on carrier groups, either taken out by accident or by two Kh-35 rip offs and a Turkish model plane. Navy shouldn't be allowed to build anything bigger than 8k tons at this point.

Yes, yes, Putin should be fired and only corvettes for the navy and when the west has naval blockades to fully isolate Russia it will shrivel up and die and then your hero Zelensky can appoint Navalny to be in charge of Russia while they decide how they are going to divide it up... Britain gets this bit and France gets that bit and Germany wants this area and Japan wants some too...

Funny the ideas you traitors come up with.

It's not. It's an obsolete 80s tech missile inferior to the harpoon.

Actually Harpoon is rubbish, the Uran uses a MMW radar seeker that is vastly superior to Harpoon which is worse than Exocet except in terms of range.

And though old, the ship itself is obviously irreplaceable.

Such a ship only makes sense in the Black Sea fleet when deployed to Tartus and the med sea.

It was a place holder that didn't cost too much.

So why go to war using a traditional army if there was no way to win a traditional conflict?

Bio weapons, nukes and Nazis.

Survivability wise subsonic missiles relies on that sea skimming profile and it easily low RCS. Especially if bandpass radome is employed to reduce its seeker antenna's RCS. It easily reach 0.01 sqm or less plus that sea skimming making it very hard target to detect and engage.

But a ship looking for drones should spot it...

Then what hope does the Russian navy have against NATO sea skimming missiles?

There is no evidence any sea skimming missiles were involved. If they were then most current Russian ships have rather better defence against sea skimming missiles than AK-630 turret mount and OSA SAMs.

Kashtan and Pantsir and Klinok would all obliterate incoming subsonic missiles out beyond 10km range.

404 like papa dragon said is easy to defeat , Russia could have finished this within the month

Yeah, just as easy as defeating HATO like he did himself personally... sorry... not defeated... was asymilated by.

The BBC doesn't make us look like assholes, we do just fine ourselves

The BBC are lying assholes, but you do contribute yourself...

Everything is clear, Russia should speed up the construction of frigates of project 22350 and, as planned, the construction of those frigates should be assigned to the Amur Shipyard. There was a lot of fucking with the construction, it's time to fly heads in the shipyards until the desired speed of construction is achieved.

Russia produced a Gorshkov frigate design and after testing and operational experience designed an enlarged and improved version which they need to get into the water and test.... when they are happy with it they should put it into serial production but not before testing.

One Yasen class sub can sink an entire carrier group and you pussies are upset about an ancient old ship with 40 year old missiles.

SA-10s from the late 1970s, OSAs from the same time period and some AK-630 gatling mounts hasn't been state of the art for four decades... of course it puts British ships to shame even today.