Russian special military operation in Ukraine

You are right, I used american playbook, but surely, it would help Ukraine with western "integration"?

This is a rejection of the west, not a tantrum and a shift to being a carbon copy of the west.

let Russia enjoy having to take care of that shithole.

They are going it to tidy up a bit but they are not buying the property...

Ukrainian Armed Forces have retaliated against Russia by launching a tactical ballistic missile “Tochka-U” on the military airfield of Millerovo in Rostov Oblast. -RF

Justification if any was needed to hunt down and destroy any ukrainian held ballistic weapons.

Russia clearly hasn't integrated their drones in their overall fighting strategy. That's an area the Americans are still far ahead in, and Russia should catch up on. It's very useful for situations like this. Drones are expendable. Doesn't matter how many the enemy takes down, in a situation like this, they'll get the job done of providing relief, as well as serve as a diversion. The Russian MIC is an extreme laggard in this regard.

They can't talk to or surrender to or negotiate with a drone... drones would be shot down too easily as to be useless.

GarryB still writing walls of text of BS. At this point, disrupting the flow of the threads. Obviously, you shouldn't expect otherwise from shameless partisan hacks. Just remember all the BS that man typed, up to the day this operation took place. "Russia won't invade", "Russia doesn't need..." "Russia will do this..." .. the list is endless.

Russia is responding to Ukraine not stopping shelling the new republics... in many ways this mirrors what happened when the US and the west told Saddam he had to withdraw his forces from occupied Kuwait and he refused...

Watch the 180 backflips with delight. The man has absolutely no self-respect.

Who is backflipping... your last post got 8 likes including one from me... in fact I will repost it in case you edit it...

Don't pay attention to the idiocy online since it's a big massive chicken pen of dimwits amounting to hundreds of millions. It's also a majorly western activity (that's citizens from western countries taking part), a sect of humans who have been propagandized since birth on certain view points. Their cognitive bias is never, ever going away.

What Russia is pulling off here, if successful, hasn't been achieved by any invading force perhaps ever (in modern times that I'm aware of at least).

The degree to which they have avoided civilian infrastructure, from housing to utilities while still advancing and taking over will be studied heavily in every single capital of this planet, and will serve as template for those wise to read it well.

Operating like this does have its cons, especially when an enemy identifies rules of engagement and decides to take advantage of those for their own gain. I've my reservations when it comes to the capital, which is the rat's den and bound to provide resistance as all cornered dogs do.

The Americans simply flatten places. Nothing being, off-the-table. Not media buildings, hospitals, weddings, power plants... whatever the **** it's.... if they identify a potential enemy, they lob a missile on it. Don't bite the BS, ignore, learn to control yourself and most importantly, think for yourself.

American expertise is, as everybody should know, coups, elite conditioning and corruption. A side benefit of a big fat wallet.


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Where you are basically saying don't listen to the western propaganda, Russia seems to be doing a good job... and what bastards the Americans are when they do this sort of thing... when I liked it I was going to ask if your account had been hijacked...

It was not a miscalculation. It would have been easier had Russia done this intervention in 2014.

No it wouldn't... Russia was still using western and ukrainian engines in a lot of things and west and ukrainian stuff disappearing at a time when they were still importing most of their food from the EU would not have been something they could have dealt with very easily.

But this way the US and Europe dumped billions on Ukraine just to stabilize the Ukrainian economy after it lost tens of billions in trade with Russia. Good luck ever getting that money back.

Most of it was in western weapons their MIC made money on and their militarys wrote off money from because they didn't have to dispose of it.

Most of the rest was IMF loans and I doubt they will be forgiven any time soon.

I would also not be surprised if they had to accept Russian army bases in their territory for like 20 years.

Once they have achieved their goals they will likely not want very much to do with the Ukraine ruled by Kiev. the coastal area if it turns as a block might join the Crimea/Russia, or might just remain neutral like the new republics.

In all fairness none of us (with maybe one or two exceptions) thought that Russia would launch such a huge operation - but if you look at the aim of the ops it is clear that in order to secure the two newly recognized countries you will have to neutralize much of the opposition's military in order to stop the endless shelling and killing of innocent civilians. Obviously this is not going down well in the West but they had no qualms to illegally invade and annex large portions of Syrian territory to this day.

I will agree this is an invasion when those 200K Russian soldiers on Russian territory start marching into the Ukraine... otherwise this is a serious bitch slap to perhaps get rid of some of the nazis and allow the rest of the population have its real say in things... Putin is not an irrational idiot... the Russians like to negotiate.... they will have spoken to the civilian leadership in various regions about their situation and what they see for the future... this is like the Crimean operation except with Orcs totally in charge there that had to be removed and dealt with before the people could have their say... expect referendums rather than puppet officials installed and occupation for the next 100 years as you would get with a US or HATO operation.

Thats not the point.
A man in car can ram, can retrieve a weapon. And our paras approach them alone, turn back on them to radio the siuation to the command...
It just shows naivete perceptions about how we are viewed there and lack of COIN training in regular VDV.

We can only see what his camera sees... if he revved up that engine he would likely get a RPO-M through his windscreen...

Still personally think this adventure is both costly and idiotic for Russia that will bring zero benefits and will end up discrediting Putin himself.

Pretty sure Putin never really gave much of a damn for his credibility in the west... at least amongst the sheep.

Unless Russia's leadership knows something that the rest of the world doesn't this whole invasion seems totally pointless.

This attack (an invasion would include occupation and therefore most of those 200K soldiers stationed in Russia) is all about neutering the Ukraine, by getting them to fold up and surrender (the conscripted majority) or to eliminate a threat (the volunteer nazis who wanted to murder donbass and lugansk civilians because they think they are Russian civilians.).

I would prefer splitting up Ukraine to three parts. Let the NATO have the westernmost part of Galicia. The central part led by Kiev should remain neutral and the eastern part would be integrated to Russia. Don't know how realistic this is, but what other choices are there?

Knowing Putin he wont decide and he wont let the west decide... it will be the people making the choices.

How many Tochka U platforms Ukraine still has? This was some nasty hit into Russian territory

They said they launched them... we don't know if they were shot down or not.

[quoet]Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.[/quote]

So they have a Ghost Soldier... expert in ambush on the ground as well as in the air...

This is the same as the supposed 600 dead Russians by US in Syria. But no evidence was provided. Guarantee its much lower than the number they are claiming.

The fact is they probably have no idea... just like us... as to how many killed or injured.

Atlasclub wrote:We really gonna pay attention to "estimates" from Britain, the U.S, the E.U or the Ukrops.

Cmon now... those are not even worth posting here. Absolute garbage. Stop wasting thread space.

Has someone hijacked your username?

You mentioned 180 in your previous post but seemed to be accusing me...

Atlasclub wrote:Arky boy how have your predictions turned out? lol1

Considering you're shameless it's a rhetorical question. Keep doing what you do I don't care.

You flipflopper... you are loving this you closet Putin fan you.

Atlasclub wrote:Shameless and a bullshitter to boot. It's okay, everyone can read post histories here. Stay frosty loser.

Says the man who predicted Ukraine was joining HATO and Putin had lost everything... what an idiot and weak president...

You seem to have changed your tune... in fact you seem to be singing from a completely different hymn book.

Atlas was the only one correct with any of his spins and takes. Garry b proved himself to be a total clown. This guy lives in a different reality from the rest of us.

I am not wrong, Putin recognised these two republics and they asked for help regarding the shelling and occupation of a significant slice of their territory by Orc forces, Putin gave Kiev an ultimatum which they clearly ignored.

This is the western attack on Iraq to get them to withdraw from Kuwait in the early 1990s.

It is not an invasion, though I am sure they will want to give southern and eastern regions of the country the opportunity to reject rule from Washington.

This is going to be a disaster for Russia. 20,000 civilians with automatic weapons taking up arms.

Would be massacred if they think they can take on an organised modern army... 20,000 armed civilians would be a moderately large wedding in Texas.

How is Russia ever going to subdue this hostile population.

They don't have to... get rid of the nazis, get rid of their heirarchy and then negotiate with what is left for your withdrawal so it does not collapse into anarchy.

Should have done this in 2014 where there would have been zero resistance. Untold are putting up more of a fight than expected.

The ones putting up the most resistance are the nazis everyone would be better off if they stopped breathing...

This is not a 200K strong invasion force, this is specific forces, mostly likely VDV and Russian naval infantry, and they wont be blasing away shooting everything and anything for fun.

Civilians with automatic weapons cease to be civilians the moment they pick up those weapons
I have a feeling when things get real they will run home quicker than they did running to get armed

Civilians with guns will do more damage than the Russians will.

I believe US intel wheb they say Russia has a list of targets. All the one linked to the nazi will be killed.

They would attempt to arrest them I am sure, though if they do resist arrest then those arresting him will not risk their lives for that scum...

This alone shows us, why it was very complicated issue to recognize or help the other regions to resurrect back in 2014/2015. Speaking Russian does not mean that people there are prorussian. And even if they are, that does not mean that they want to be a part of Russia and/or seccede from Ukraine.

Russia is not capturing Kiev for it to be part of their empire, it probably wont even bother capturing the city at all... in all likelyhood they will give a list of people they want to speak to and those they think should be released from prison or house arrest and then give them their red lines and then withdraw.

Putin does not want Ukraine, they have mostly made their choice, even the recognised republics wont become part of the Russian federation any time soon, but with an open border and good trade conditions they can start solving their problems for themselves.

Kiev must fall symbolically. No half measure will cut it. That I damn well know off and the only thing that keeps me awake for this drama.

All of this shit happening in their rear areas I would think the Orc army occupying the Donetsk and Lugansk regions will have started at the very least to think about pulling back... if not then they need to be removed by force but that is the only other goal they likely have, other than securing NPPs and their air force and navy and their weapons and fuel supplies that have not already been burning.

Maybe non essential orders from antonov and Nikolayev , get the south of Ukraine back to work

Why would Russia fund the recovery of rivals?

Claimed dead Russian soldier with a 'unknown' rifle

That is an AS, 9x39mm calibre suppressed assault rifle used by Soviet recon troops since about the mid 1980s.

Look sometime at accounts from normal civillians in the region, dead Ruskies and destroyed 'Z' vehicles overall. Heavy costly invasion. Thats why Little Vlad for the 8th time now said that he wants to negotiate.

Putin has been asking Kiev to negotiate for the last 8 years, but Kiev has not been interested... but now they listen?

You are right, but its not only this vid. If i look at Twitter i see a lot of these smoldering vehicles. I never expected that Ukraine would deliver a fierce resistance. And i think Russia also didnt expect it.

Problem is that both sides use a lot of the same vehicles so are you sure these smouldering vehicles are what you think they are, or what they are being shown to be?

We have already seen a lot of obvious fake information, from aerobatic teams collisions at airshows shown and shot down Russian aircraft, to soldiers captured 8 years ago in an earlier conflict being portrayed as current Russian prisoners...

Every day that this war is gonna last, it would be very costly for the Russian economy. Thats why Putin wants to negotiate.

Russia has hundreds of billions in reserve, this conflict wont be very expensive at all except in lives.

Putin has wanted to negotiate the whole time, but it seems he has to back them into a corner before they are interested and who knows what they will say.

We have you surrounded Mr Putin... if you give up now we wont unleash our second ghost pilot and our second ghost soldier to finish your forces off.

Sweden, Latvia and Finland just send a plane full of millions of dollars and weapons to Ukraine.

I am guessing what the Kievs forces are lacking is not western weapons.

And sanctions against Putin and Lavrov are coming now from the EU.

I am sure they are scared... their plans to retire to the west almost gone...

And Switserland is talking about freezing the pensionfunds of Russian army, and donate it to Ukraine.

The Swiss are pussies, what makes you think pension funds for the Russian Army are even kept in Swiss bank accounts?

Any that are stupid enough to have them there deserve to lose them.

Little Vlad soon gonna get a regime change from his own generals. Sergei Sogu for president!

Yeah, and he continues the invasion to add Poland to the list of countries that need to be denazified... big job... but worth the effort.

Kiev may be falling but the contact line in Donbass is still intact.

If they don't withdraw he can now attack them from behind.

Russian Army is so mighty and sophisticated that they need the help of 10.000 MUSLIMS from Kahdirovs Chechen army. Thats a signal how dissapointed Little Vlad is about his own army's losses.

Chechnia is part of the Russian Federation.... they are more Russian troops than the Gurkhas the British Army uses.

I hope those Chechens turn against Russia and remind what Russia did in Grozny to their women and children. Ukraine is gonna be Little Vlad's own personal Vietnam.

That is what Washington is hoping. Problem is that those Chechens are there for their own revenge over Ukrainians helping wahabist idiots trying to turn their home into a 15 century shithole.

Genuinely impressed if he's actually going to fight.

He has someone else carrying his rifle... what likelyhood is there for him to have time to get it when he needs it?

Putin would be hiding in a bunker in the same situation. Can you imagine Putin actually taking a rifle and go to streets in this situation!

He is the ex president.... the equivalent would be Medvedev with an assistant nearby with his rifle... the fact that he doe not have it on his person means he can put his hands up and surrender quicker... being unarmed he likely wont be shot straight away.

The Russians employ the Chechens partly for the terror they inspire in Russia's enemies, partly because of their battle prowess, but mostly because nobody cares if these guys turn up in body bags by the hundreds. Russian public opinion don't give a shit - frankly even the Chechens wouldnt' either. Death in battle in warrior centric tribal culture is literally an end goal, so why not make us of that impulse for the glory of the Russian state?

Like the British treat the Gurkhas.

These guys are volunteering.

Russian 'saboteurs' in UA clothing in Kiev. Mighty Russian army doesnt have the balls to face the enemy in their own outfits.

This is a lie you put out so that retreating Ukrainian forces wont retreat and if they do then the trigger happy civilians they just gave lots of guns to will likely shoot their own retreating forces...

There is video where a Russian saboteur is dragged from his truck and killed by heroic Banderistanis.

I will drink a cold one on that.

Was going to have a word with some members about what they were saying about you personally, but now... not going to bother.

If you think all Ukrainians have to accept the government the west imposed on them then you don't believe in the individual rights of people to choose.

Maybe a Swedish king or Swedish elite could rule over these Slavs who kill each other like the idiots that they are?

They tried to arrange that for a very long time... now their country is a bit smaller... I doubt they could rule Finland or Norway let alone anything bigger.

Sorry to quote myself, but...

Tsars I believe were also German ancestry.

After commie revolution the management of the country was turned to Russians and Russian Jews.

It didn’t end well.

Interesting time to be giving us a history lesson.

The clowns will stall for time, the more time it takes for Kiev to fall, the better for all of them and this magnicide of an anti-russian project. That's why a lot of them did not flee. It isn't miscalculation, it's a very dirty well thought out strategy, where in the eventuality of Kiev falling they'll try to negotiate asylum with Russia elsewhere (least Russia be seen by the west as "animals" killing democratically elected heads of state - and Putin will of course will get flooded with mediation calls from the usual suspects to get their assets released.). These folks are betting big time, just like they did in 2014... back then they won. It can't happen this time.

Russia knows who went against them and sold out the Ukraine to the west for promises of money and power... those who are not going to jail and have a clear conscience will remain in the Ukraine, while those captured will go to jail or flee to the west for asylum.

Russia should and will take control of Antonov. That Russian plane and Russian company has soft power value.

They will be burning everything of value to prevent the Russians getting their hands on it.

Boris Johnson with his great hairy Ottoman balls kicked 35 Russian oligarchs from the UK and confiscated their billions properties, cars and bankaccounts.

They ran away from Russia and took billions with them, they should have been put in prison, you are doing Putins work for him... what Russian billionaire will want to run away to the UK now?

Yes but you will get them back bankrupt.

They were in the UK to avoid Russian prison... where there money will do them no good.

check this.. i find difficult to believe this is Russian army with terrible driving skills.
the armored vehicle in the video ,provoked a fatal accident earlier with a civilian car.
russia army don't send armored cars solo in kiev. this have to be a drunk ukraine soldiers
that is driving that military car.

What makes you think it was Russian?

That is an SA-13 SAM vehicle... it is more likely a Ukrainian vehicle than a Russian one.

It certainly appears to be the same Strela, in a similar location. It is still unconfirmed whether it is Ukrainians, or Russians dressed as Ukrainians; Though, one is certainly easier to believe.

Russians have no reason to dress as Ukrainians. Ukrainians have reason to make their public suspicious of retreating Ukrainian forces because they don't want Ukrainian forces to be retreating and would rather local forces just shoot them thinking they are Russian.

If Russia fails, Putin will be overthrown

If this fails and most of the Ukraine wants to be the bitch of the west then Russia has not failed... they gave them the choice and they chose... anything else is not Putins problem.

It would be a profound mistake to deny the Ukrainians a united and sovereign state of their own

The main thing is that such a state is in alliance with Russia, and not under all kinds of Western regime-change Nazi projects.

This is not about RF expansion, but about taking out a small minority that has held a neighbour hostage for too long now.

Hate campaign against Russia in full swing in Finland. TV and newspapers are full of it.

Nice to know nothing changes there then...

I still think this was a stupid own goal by Putin. Especially if the information about great Russian losses that I have been reading about are true. Some sources say more than 5,000 Russian troops dead already. The USA didn't lose that much in 20 years in Afghanistan. Even if that figure is not true the total count must he in hundreds. Is this really worth it? Can Russia sustain these kind of losses with its current demographics? How many future fathers are being slaughtered in Ukraine now? How many Russian women will be left without husbands because of this?

The sources you are listening to are clearly writers of hollywood movies... US forces in Afghanistan were much safer because they could freely murder any civilian and claim they were taliban... how about you wait to find out what the actual figures really are... your fake worries about dead Russians is amusing... you clearly care little about the 12K people in Lugansk and Donbass regions killed in the last 8 years.

I agree but too many Russians (and Ukrainians) are dying now. For what???

Because the US and HATO could not agree... and because Zelensky mentioned nukes.

Why not annex Ukraine?

Because they don't want it. It is broken.

Concerning video of a car dodging an artillery barrage in Kharkov.

Looked like a burst from a 30mm grenade launcher...

If anybody is a fucking retard it’s you pisdabol. You were all with Garry b, KVS, and archa claiming that Putin wasn’t going to invade and cia and nato and us intelligence were all liars trying to whip up hysteria.

Putin likely had no intention of invading till Zelensky started talking about developing their own tactical nuclear weapons... now a solution is needed.