Ukraine situation after DPR, LPR recognition by Russia

flamming_python wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Isos wrote:

There is way to spin this by Garry b and archangesk claiming Russia doesn’t care about Kiev or Ukraine when Putin is giving speeches about Ukrainian history on the internet.

Man this is bad for Russia indeed. The only mistake the west made is that they haven’t given Putin an off ramp. And a well executed invasion has the potential to flip the world on its head.

They didn't care about Ukraine for years. What changed is the US trying to bring them into Nato.

The only thing that an invasion can make is make Russia bigger. Ukraine can't resist and no one will move to save them. They just gave away Ukraine.

Russia will have a population of 200 million people and get the biggest country in europe as a bonus.

USA totally failed their coup. I guess  new cold war woud suit them because they lost all their hot wars in the middle east and they need a constant war to be alive but the rest of the world won't side with them and still work peacefully with Russia. So no hot wars and no cold war which means fall of the USA

Saying they didn’t care about it Ukraine for years is a straight up lie. They provided tons of cheap gas, ridiculously favorable loans, debt forgiveness, etc…. To keep them in Russia’s orbit. And all it took was a few nato backed skinheads backed by a few years of propaganda to counteract all of what Russia was trying to do. Moscow got fucking evicted from Kiev. The hard way and tumbled down the stairs.

And there isn’t 40 million people left in that shit hole. The American backed puppet state ran most of the normal people out. If Russia does invade and take over they will be ruling over a pile of dog shit with a hugely hostile population.

I really. Really really. Really don't see how in any shape, form, dimension, geodesic, singularity - see how this could all possibly have even been conceived, as a 'good idea'

The LDNR is battling the Ukrainian army now. There are a number of zombified districts even in the Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts. Mariupol - well zombified; I can provide videos. Slavyansk, little is heard from it nowadays but last I saw it was zombified too. Even though both of those originally were held by the DNR and ordinary civilians there tried to fight off the Ukrainian army that came into town.
The northern districts of the Lugansk region were never in the LNR at any time, they belong to a different historical area really than the Donbass.

And that's not taking into account the possibility of the Russian regular army invading the Ukraine. Which it's in a position to do. Albeit I hope no such decision is being considered.

According to one poll, 45% of Russians support recognizing the DNR/LNR, while 40% are against it.
There is another poll that suggests much more support for the move.
Either way society is divided. And as for invading the Ukraine outright, I don't imagine who would support such an insane move.

auslander wrote:The entire north border of Krimu with Ukraine is now closed, shut down tight. No one in, no one out. Period.

The border of DNR/LNR is shut, no one allowed in, civilians can cross to Russia. This confirms what we saw this afternoon coming back from the 35th Battery event.

The fight for the rest of DNR/LNR will start by week's end. It is unknown if Russian forces will be involved but the leash is off NAF.

The hunt is on for anyone who was involved in killing civilians in DNR/LNR, Odessa and the Korson Massacre of the Krimean civilians returning from Maidan debacle.

Auslander

franco wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:The NAF cannot oppose the Ukrainian army, if they are going to try and seize the entire oblast then the russians will need to commit.

You mean the Ukrainian army trained by the same people that trained the Afghan army or Georgian army in 2008.

couldn't resist

Vann7 wrote:

Irrelevant comment..

Nobody is fighting alone in the ukraine conflict or any conflict.
Ukraine alone will not exist even today as a country, without the economic aid and loans from the west. And without military aid , the not even an army today operating since ukraine is bankrupt and all the the money for the war comes from NATO.

So ukrainian army is being significantly helped by NATO ,including english speaking mercenaries and heavy weapons support and logistics.. and the donbas forces are helped by Russia..  neither ukraine , neither donbass alone could do much.. that's why you have US,NATO and Russia aiding the sides they support.

Talking about what can NAF do or not is silly.. no wars today happen solo.. you always talk about totally unrealistic scenarios , as when you were saying Americans were "winning in syria" when they not.

toilettrader70 wrote:Rebels can’t do anything on their own. They probably can’t even use toilet paper properly