Ukraine situation after DPR, LPR recognition by Russia

... recognize the republics and sign treaties of friendship and mutual assistance. And we demand that the authorities in Kiev immediately stop military provocations. Otherwise, they are responsible for all the consequences.

The heads of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics are present in the hall. The signing of friendship and mutual assistance agreements took place.

Its a historical moment..

A lesson of Humanity over Dollars

Welcome Donetsk and Lughansk



An attack on one is an attack on all

In all seriousness Donetsk and Luhansk have earned the title of hero cities. 

The people of Donetsk and Luhansk are heroes which have earned their place in the Russian world

An attack on these sovereign and independent republics will not be tolerated 

The heroism is unmatched , the defenders of Donbass are no different from the defenders of Stalingrad, Leningrad, and Moscow

What a joy this day

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Funny, cause no one in France or Germany said a thing about recognition. So they were informed and they shrugged at it. Hence why even Biden was saying no sanctions on "partial invasion".  Russia won't invade. They will recognize the republics and send weapons to them.  What unelected assholes like Borell says means didly squat.

The tone of Putin's public address does not conform to this.   There will be economic and military assistance.   This does not mean invasion.
But Russia is not going to restrain itself since NATzO is not even trying to hide its agenda.

The west already blinked. Their punative sanctions won't do anything and they can't do anything massive either. They know this and thus will cry from a distance and maybe do some basic sanctions. Maybe Nordstream 2 is done. Reroute the pipe to kaliningrad and call it a day.

99% of the speech is about how Ukraine will be a threat from now on, how they will get nuks and how US will use them against Russia.

Recognizing those two republics isn't a solution to the above mentioned threats...

So a war is still very likely.

It's interesting what borders they're going to recognize. Administrative or current de facto.

Putin giving a history class for this forum.

"They're not Russians... but but Ukranians fighting Ukranians... why should Russia care?" - random dimwit.

How long have you heard of this from the propagandist dimwits here....  

When dear leader debases your arguments you gotta be a shameless asshole to try to spin it. Considering the only reason you made the initial argument is to cover for Putin and cadre himself  

Putin failed to mail in this memo for sure.

But dimwits aside, many of them self aware of their clownship...

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Now what? The whole of Ukraine except certain parts in the West are Russian lands, with Russians in it..... everyone that has ever touched a history book knows that. How are you gonna go about reclaiming it? The Donbass is just but a simple parcel of land and people, from a much, much bigger pie.

ATLASCUB wrote:Putin giving a history class for this forum.

"They're not Russians... but but Ukranians fighting Ukranians... why should Russia care?"

How long have you heard of this from the propagandist dimwits here....  

When dear leader debases your arguments you gotta be a shameless asshole to try to spin it.

Putin failed to mail in this memo for sure.

He never said that. You must have seen CNN translation...

He said at the start Ukraine was created by Russian and Lenin in particular and that it was never even been a real state.

Isos wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:Putin giving a history class for this forum.

"They're not Russians... but but Ukranians fighting Ukranians... why should Russia care?"

How long have you heard of this from the propagandist dimwits here....  

When dear leader debases your arguments you gotta be a shameless asshole to try to spin it.

Putin failed to mail in this memo for sure.

He never said that. You must have seen CNN translation...

He said at the start Ukraine was created by Russian and Lenin in particular.

Are you crazy? Ukraine as a state was founded by Lenin, made up of Russian lands and Polish, Hungarian lands, as well as smaller additions. Most of the land belonged to the Russian empire, with Russian subjects aka Russian citizens - before the additions.

How shameless do you have to be to try to grasp at semantics or any other bullshit. But but he said... do you even understand what the words mean, and how they're meant to be interpreted?

I don't need the dimwits of these forum to admit they're wrong and beg for forgiveness. I know for a damn fact they're wrong, and that's just that.

ATLASCUB wrote:

Isos wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:Putin giving a history class for this forum.

"They're not Russians... but but Ukranians fighting Ukranians... why should Russia care?"

How long have you heard of this from the propagandist dimwits here....  

When dear leader debases your arguments you gotta be a shameless asshole to try to spin it.

Putin failed to mail in this memo for sure.

He never said that. You must have seen CNN translation...

He said at the start Ukraine was created by Russian and Lenin in particular.

Are you crazy? Ukraine as a state was founded by Lenin, made up of Russian lands and Polish, Hungarian lands, as well as smaller additions. Most of the land belonged to the Russian empire, with Russian subjects aka Russian citizens.

How shameless do you have to be to try to grasp at semantics or any other bullshit. But but he said... do you even understand what the words mean, and how they're meant to be interpreted?

I don't need the dimwits of these forum to admit they're wrong and beg for forgiveness. I know for a damn fact they're wrong, and that's just that.

I was talking about your quote "they are not russians...". Putin just said the opposite.

Isos wrote:99% of the speech is about how Ukraine will be a threat from now on, how they will get nuks and how US will use them against Russia.

Recognizing those two republics isn't a solution to the above mentioned threats...

So a war is still very likely.

Russia and the rest of the world knows Ukraine will never get nukes. But Ukraine threatening wanting to have nukes is actually a damn good excuse to push this. Neither US nor anyone else wants them to get nukes. So that is off the table anyway.

Isos wrote:

I was talking about your quote "they are not russians...". Putin just said the opposite.

So it's a misunderstanding. The dimwits here say they're not Russian in an attempt to damage control Putin's inaction up to this point, in date and time in history, in his weak defense of historical Russian lands and its people. It's a quote mockery of their clownish arguments. Of which I'm sure you're well aware off.

The clownery comes in different flavors, including and not limited to, "dead weight" talking points. As usual, parroting the "analysis" of the "analysts" they get those talking points from, aka your typical partisan propagandists.

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:99% of the speech is about how Ukraine will be a threat from now on, how they will get nuks and how US will use them against Russia.

Recognizing those two republics isn't a solution to the above mentioned threats...

So a war is still very likely.

Russia and the rest of the world knows Ukraine will never get nukes. But Ukraine threatening wanting to have nukes is actually a damn good excuse to push this. Neither US nor anyone else wants them to get nukes. So that is off the table anyway.

Actually, like Puyin said, the left over from USSR allow them to create them pretty quickly. Much more than any other country. And once they get them it's over for Moscow they won't be able to touch them.

He also expressed concerns about long range weapons which makes it worse.

Nato puppets neo-nazi in control of long range weapons armed with nuclear warheads...

ATLASCUB wrote:

Isos wrote:

I was talking about your quote "they are not russians...". Putin just said the opposite.

So it's a misunderstanding. The dimwits here say they're not Russian in an attempt to damage control Putin's inaction up to this point, in date and time in history. It's a quote mockery of their clownish arguments. Of which I'm sure you're well aware off.

Ok. I thought you were quoting Putin. I don't really follow who said what and I know there is lot of trolls here. And you quote that I misunderstand made you sound like a troll but we are ok now.

par far wrote:

What does the action do to the Minsk agreement is the big question?

It looks to me the Minsk2 agreement no lorger exists.

I have another question: Did Russia recognize independance/autonomy of DNR and LNR in their administrative borders...and if so, both republics have a big chunck of their teritorries under Kiev's occupation?  

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:99% of the speech is about how Ukraine will be a threat from now on, how they will get nuks and how US will use them against Russia.

Recognizing those two republics isn't a solution to the above mentioned threats...

So a war is still very likely.

Russia and the rest of the world knows Ukraine will never get nukes. But Ukraine threatening wanting to have nukes is actually a damn good excuse to push this. Neither US nor anyone else wants them to get nukes. So that is off the table anyway.

Actually, like Puyin said, the left over from USSR allow them to create them pretty quickly. Much more than any other country. And once they get them it's over for Moscow they won't be able to touch them.

He also expressed concerns about long range weapons which makes it worse.

Nato puppets neo-nazi in control of long range weapons armed with nuclear warheads...

Believe me, Ukraine is in no position to start nuclear weapons development.  They lack the specialists, material and functioning systems.  Zenit is all they got that could resemble a ICBM or tochkas at best.

The best they can use is nuclear waste material and that won't do the damage they think it would do. And the retaliation against them would be so strong, Ukraine would cease to exist on this plant. Maybe in alternate universes too.

We experience history. 95% of this forum has been waiting for this moment.
Congratulations first of all to the people of Donbas. The next few hours will be interesting.

Now Russia recognizes the republics, there is a matter of the borders of the DPR and LPR. For example, are they defined by their fundamental documents on sovereignty and confirmed by the referendum of 2014?

It could be that from the point of view of the LPR and the DPR, the territories of the  Donetsk and Lugansk regions which are now under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, are the occupied territories of the DPR and LPR.

This is in many ways the most interesting issue. How about a referendum in Mariupol?

We are now here as forecast

Peter Hitchens
@ClarkeMicah
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Feb 20
Jack Matlock was the USA's last ambassador to the USSR: He said expanding NATO: 'may well go down in history as the most profound strategic blunder made since the end of the Cold War.'

He went to get orders from masters before even meeting his own staff.

Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
20m
Discussed the events of the last hours with @POTUS. We begin the meeting of the National Security and Defense Council. A conversation with @BorisJohnson is also planned

Isos wrote:He went to get orders from masters before even meeting his own staff.  

Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
20m
Discussed the events of the last hours with @POTUS. We begin the meeting of the National Security and Defense Council. A conversation with @BorisJohnson is also planned

He is looking to who will give him residency.

miketheterrible wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Now imagine if China turns on Russia as well, and they and the West all declare Putin a violator of international law and new Saddam Hussein
Well. Don't say it can't happen
I don't see any good to come from this. If it's a pressure tactic, it didn't work. If it's a bluff, time to call it off has passed. If it's real, then what next? Restart of civil war in the Ukraine?

Pro-western Russia is a death sentence to China (CCP version of it at least)
They may not like it but if they plan on existing they will at the minimum STFU

China needs Russia regarding the Taiwan situation. Add in, energy. So they will keep on russias side. At worst say "diplomacy is needed"

Not just that

Their entire North is completely exposed and if hostile military is ever parked there (e.g. pro-western Russia & Friends) they are finished

CCP can either play ball with Russia or wait for their balls ​to get sliced off by USA and pro-western Russia