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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:18 pm

    My understanding is that the Irbis-E radar was to be eventually used on the Tu-22M series aircrafts, which would give the aircraft ridiculously large detecting/tracking ranges. Dunno if the plan is still on but would be nice.

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:28 pm

    sepheronx wrote:My understanding is that the Irbis-E radar was to be eventually used on the Tu-22M series aircrafts, which would give the aircraft ridiculously large detecting/tracking ranges.  Dunno if the plan is still on but would be nice.

    This only make sense if Russian think of making their version of "B-1R" a Supersized interceptor/missile truck.

    Ground attack radar though, don't really need 20 Kw.

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:39 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:My understanding is that the Irbis-E radar was to be eventually used on the Tu-22M series aircrafts, which would give the aircraft ridiculously large detecting/tracking ranges.  Dunno if the plan is still on but would be nice.

    This only make sense if Russian think of making their version of "B-1R" a Supersized interceptor/missile truck.

    Ground attack radar though, don't really need 20 Kw.

    Air engagement would be roughly 600km but for air to ground, even more. It would benefit to strike enemy positions with guided munitions from so far out of sam engagement range. Hell, they could effectively turn it into an intercepter as well. But this is what was mentioned long before, and I would like to see that.

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    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:58 pm

    Another modernized Tu-22M3 thumbsup

    Kazan aircraft plant BBC Russia once modernized Tu-22M3

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    Post  Viktor on Fri May 08, 2015 10:39 pm

    And another modernized Tu-22M3 delivered to RuAF thumbsup

    Kazan Aviation Plant named after S.P. Gorbunov delivered Tu-22M3 bomber to Russian air forces

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:29 am

    pictures taken by me at Zhuliany Ukraine last year (May 2014).








    I do have loads more pics, and i am away to North Korea in August for 2 weeks, but i highly doubt i will get a chance/be allowed to take pics of military items but you never know Wink

    link below for the thread

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3372-my-pics-and-vids


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    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:16 pm

    The Defense Ministry before the end of the year will receive six modernized Tu-22M3

    Tu-22M3 will be in service in the Russian Federation until 2030


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    Post  franco on Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:05 pm

    Western Media reporting Russia to deploy squadron of Tu-22M3's to Crimea. Anyone see this from Russia?
    http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-reported-be-stationing-supersonic-bombers-crimea-330680

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:08 pm

    franco wrote:Western Media reporting Russia to deploy squadron of Tu-22M3's to Crimea. Anyone see this from Russia?
    http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-reported-be-stationing-supersonic-bombers-crimea-330680

    For a start, the photo shows Su-24, not Tu-22M. If the authors cannot get the photo correct, why give the articles content any credence?

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:17 pm

    Very few journalists could tell an M1 abrams tank from a Humvee let alone an aircraft type... I remember during Desert Storm a US journalist standing outside an airfield in Saudi Arabia claiming B-52s were taking off on their mission to bomb Saddam... except the aircraft taking off were F-16s.

    I do remember talk of moving Tu-22M3s to the Crimea... mainly in response to the movement of ABM systems into Europe.


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    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:50 pm

    GarryB wrote:I do remember talk of moving Tu-22M3s to the Crimea... mainly in response to the movement of ABM systems into Europe.

    that means Kh-32 ARM against Aegis??

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150724/1024993449.html


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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:18 pm

    RYAZAN, July 27. /TASS/. Russia has no plans to deploy Tu-22M3 bombers in Crimea, Russian Air Force Commander Colonel General Viktor Bondarev said on Monday. "So far, no such tasks have been set. If we do have such tasks we will be obliged to fulfil them," he told journalists when asked about possible deployment of Tu-22M3 bombers in Crimea.

    Bondarev said Russia had enough warplanes in Crimea "to ensure clear blue sky over us."

    According to earlier reports, ten Tu-22M3 bombers were temporarily deployed in Crimea during a surprise combat readiness check this spring.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:33 pm

    does anyone know if they still plan to sell Tu-22M3 to China or plan to sell it to anyone else?

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:18 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know if they still plan to sell Tu-22M3 to China or plan to sell it to anyone else?
    No. Tu-22M3 isn't produced anymore (though in Kazan there are still some incomplete frames), and there is no plan to reopen the production line or to export it.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:49 am

    Now that Russia has turned towards Asia and away from the west, I suspect they will be more likely to sell to China... the question would of course be, does China want 50 or do they want 2...

    When they introduced the Su-34 many of the short to medium range missions the Backfire would normally be used for were replaced.

    The thing is that all the sophisticated stuff they have crammed into the Su-34 they could cram bigger and better into the Backfire... and with the Bear, the Backfire and the Blackjack all getting upgraded unified systems then while the choice of Su-34 vs Backfire becomes less clear because the Backfire becomes more capable and still has enormous weapon and fuel capacity, the addition to the equation is that the Bear and the Blackjack suddenly becomes available for theatre conventional missions as well.

    Before the Su-34, the Backfire was the only conventional option, but the Su-34 adds accuracy and guided weapons, though not able to match payload weight in dumb weapons or very large weapons like Kh-32, it should be a very potent aircraft with inflight refuelling.

    Now, with Blackjack and Bear able in the near future to carry heavy conventional weapons... guided and unguided then the need for the Backfire weakens.

    In the future when the PAK DA starts to replace the Bear and Backfire and the Blackjack is put into service in increasing numbers the need for the Backfire reduces even further and if there is an export potential it will be in the mid to late 2020s IMHO.

    By then who will want the Backfire?

    Well if Zircon or an export version comes with it... it might be very popular... but perhaps for 2 aircraft rather than 50.


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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Giulio on Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:07 pm

    I don't know if this was already posted:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8NxGCeFYXQ&feature=youtu.be

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:27 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know if they still plan to sell Tu-22M3 to China or plan to sell it to anyone else?

    this plan was in early 2000s but now i guess China is looking sth better and have some R&D programs for new long-range bombers


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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:14 am

    I agree that China could probably make a nice aircraft, but the Backfire is a useful little aircraft with high speed, good powerful engines, and by 2025 perhaps, very potent hypersonic versions of the Zircon missile...

    With its current upgrade the backfire will have a powerful radar and decent avionics and PGM capability with a range of land attack and anti ship missiles.


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    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:52 pm

    Look the internal weapons bay with OFAB-250-270 bombs carried by Tu-22M3 long-range bombers

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1679182275657855



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    Tu-22 bombing the view from ground

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    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:31 am

    Weapons bay of Tu-22M3M can carry laser guided bombs? (KAB series for example)?


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    Post  franco on Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:26 am

    George1 wrote:Weapons bay of Tu-22M3M can carry laser guided bombs? (KAB series for example)?

    Integration of the 1,000 lb KAB-500L and 3,000 lb KAB-1500L Paveway-ski laser guided bombs would be relatively simple, exploiting hardware for the FAB-1500. Adaptation of the existing nine round FAB-250 rack to carry six KAB-500 is feasible. A thermal imaging laser targeting pod like the Sapsan-E could be carried externally, but also repackaged into the existing bombsight fairing under the flight deck, exploiting the extant Weapons Officer's display for the remote OBP-15T bombsight. The latter arrangement offers lower drag and a better field of regard, but would require additional infra-red transmissive window integration, yielding similar packaging to the JSF EOTS. Such as arrangement is likely to be attractive as it doubles up as a day/night thermal imaging sight to replace the OBP-15T, and with further integration via a HUD could provide a night penetration capability.

    Clearance of the fire-and-forget KAB-500/1500Kr GBU-8-ski would present little difficulty, but inflight retargeting would require wiring additions to the glove and ventral inlet stations. The KAB-1500TK GBU-15-ski would require integration of the APK-9 Tekon pod, already carried by the Su-30MKK and Su-27SKU.

    The new GPS/Glonass aided inertially guided KAB-500S-E 'JDAM-ski' based on the KAB-500 kit is currently being integrated on the Su-27SKM, Su-30MK and Su-35BM, with KAB-1500S-E integration now planned. These weapons would require software and wiring changes to integrate, and would essentially replicate the capabilities of the JDAM on US heavy bombers.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:05 pm

    There would be little problem upgrading the Tu-22M3 to carry guided bombs and missiles.

    The Tu-22M3M by definition would not need any such upgrade... it already has been upgraded to use various types of guided bombs and missiles... that is what the second M is for.


    I would suspect laser guided bombs would present no problem regarding internal carriage as the target is not normally lased until the weapon is 3-5 seconds from impact.

    Regarding TV guided weapons that is more interesting because normally they are lock on before launch. the main exception to that is the Kh-59 and Kh-59M (Nato AS-13 and AS-18) which have datalink pods that allow the weapons to transmit the view from their seekers back to the launch aircraft so the weapons officer can mark the target with the weapon seekers view of the target area as it approaches the target.

    I would expect satellite guided bombs could be easily carried internally and also conventional dumb bombs accurately delivered using the Gefest & T bomb aiming system.

    Otherwise I would expect optical guidance bombs with no lock on after launch capability would be carried on external weapon racks... the four external hardpoints with 9 hard points each would allow up to 36 bombs to be carried externally up to 250kgs.

    Looking at the photos shown with 250kg bombs internally loaded in three rows of 11 bombs that would mean a total of 36 x 250kg plus 33 bombs of 250kg which equals 17.25 tons... and is the magic 69 250kg bombs often mentioned as the limit for the Backfire.

    the four external hard points are also capable of carrying 1,500kg bombs in pairs so 3 tons on each of four pylons which makes 12 tons externally plus the 33 250kg (8.25 tons) bombs internally equals 20 tons and 250kgs... which is still 3 tons and 750kgs short of the reported max payload.

    Assuming 6 1,500kg weapons can be carried on the internal rotary launcher (also used for the kh-15 Kickback missile) then that means 9 tons carried internally that means a payload of 21 tons with 6 bombs internally and 8 externally.

    The only combination I have found to get to the magic 24 tons payload is 8 x 1500kg bombs on four external hardpoints in tandem and 24 x 500kg bombs internally....


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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  wilhelm on Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:35 pm

    What base did the Tu-22M take off from in their attack on terrorist forces in Syria?
    Was it Mozdok?
    If so, did they return to Mozdok, or another base?

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    Post  franco on Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:51 pm

    wilhelm wrote:What base did the Tu-22M take off from in their attack on terrorist forces in Syria?
    Was it Mozdok?
    If so, did they return to Mozdok, or another base?

    Flying in and out of Mozdok.

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