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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  wilhelm on Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:29 am

    franco wrote:
    wilhelm wrote:What base did the Tu-22M take off from in their attack on terrorist forces in Syria?
    Was it Mozdok?
    If so, did they return to Mozdok, or another base?

    Flying in and out of Mozdok.

    Thanks Franco.
    From the info graphics I've seen that were released, the flight path was over the Caspian sea, Southwards bound through Iran, then a wide loop south of Baghdad almost on the Kuwait border, toward Jordan, then up north into Syria.

    Does anyone have the distance flown for the whole mission, or even an estimate?

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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:44 pm

    Russian Supersonic Tu-22M3 Bombers Joining Military Drills in Tajikistan

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160311/1036124438/tu-22-drills-tajikistan.html#ixzz42bMyt7Hy

    "[Bomber] crews will practice airstrikes using 500-kg [1,100-lb] bombs against camps of illegal armed groups at military [training] grounds in the foothills of Eastern Pamir [Tajikistan]," he added.





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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  mack8 on Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:00 am

    Very nice photoreport here:
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1814292.html

    One thing that is irksome imo. Why on earth aren't they installing back the IFR probes on Tu-22M3, it will greatly help in expanding their capabilities, epsecially for scenarios like Syria (they could have carried maximum load if they could have been refueled in flight). I know about START and all that, but have the yanks removed the IFR facilities on the B-1? They have not.

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:25 am

    mack8 wrote:Very nice photoreport here:
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1814292.html

    One thing that is irksome imo. Why on earth aren't they installing back the IFR probes on Tu-22M3, it will greatly help in expanding their capabilities, epsecially for scenarios like Syria (they could have carried maximum load if they could have been refueled in flight). I know about START and all that, but have the yanks removed the IFR facilities on the B-1? They have not.
    SALT treaties signed by the US and USSR limit the amount of strategic platforms (bombers included) that the signataries can have. Tu-22M was not considered a strategic bomber if it didn't have the IFR probe, and the earlier versions built with it had them removed. I don't know if M3 has provision for IFR probe, I've never seen one with it. Perhaps, as these were built after SALT treaties, they just don't have provision for IFR probes, for example, plumbing connecting the nose to the fuel tanks. But that is just speculation on my side.

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:30 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    SALT treaties signed by the US and USSR limit the amount of strategic platforms (bombers included) that the signataries can have. Tu-22M was not considered a strategic bomber if it didn't have the IFR probe, and the earlier versions built with it had them removed. I don't know if M3 has provision for IFR probe, I've never seen one with it. Perhaps, as these were built after SALT treaties, they just don't have provision for IFR probes, for example, plumbing connecting the nose to the fuel tanks. But that is just speculation on my side.

    Tu-22M3 uses a retractable probe, when fitted, similar to that on Tu-160. When retracted, it would not be a visible thing of the sort on, let's say, Tu-22M2.

    Actually, the claim has been made that the two floodlights above the nose are for the purpose of night refueling.

    During he charade that surrounds the "arm control treaties" some, at least "unofficial", noise was made regarding these floodlights.

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:24 am

    Modernization of bombers Tu-22M3

    On the web-site forums.airforce.ru were posted interesting data from PSC "Tupolev" of the passage of repair with the modernization of the four long-range bombers Tu-22M3 for VKS Russia to the level of Tu-22M3M on public contracts concluded in 2016. Presumably, this is the first commercially modernized Tu-22M3M, and their deliveryr, apparently, is not expected until 2017.

    The text states, in particular, that on the modernized Tu-22M3 old board PNA radar is to be replaced with new radar HB-45 production of St. Petersburg OAO "CSPA" Leninist "(This radar is a variant of the radar station, part of the search and sighting system "Novella-P38", which equipped with the modernized anti-aircraft Il-38N).



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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:22 pm

    Today the number of submarines with some SAM capabilities is very very low, but this begins to change. It is very logical that in the future, strategic bombers that habitually work over the sea begin to have also some protection vs submarines. And the Tu-22 is not unknown in the Russian Naval Aviation.

    There is no version of the Tu-22 or the very different Tu-22M aircraft that are strategic bombers.

    Tu-22M naval aircraft are not fitted for any weapon that would allow it to engage a submarine directly.

    there are some fuses that can be attached to conventional bombs so they can be used as mines in shallow waters but that is it... and unless the sub puts its periscope above the water for the Backfires radar to detect then it wont find them either.



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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  eehnie on Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Today the number of submarines with some SAM capabilities is very very low, but this begins to change. It is very logical that in the future, strategic bombers that habitually work over the sea begin to have also some protection vs submarines. And the Tu-22 is not unknown in the Russian Naval Aviation.

    There is no version of the Tu-22 or the very different Tu-22M aircraft that are strategic bombers.

    Tu-22M naval aircraft are not fitted for any weapon that would allow it to engage a submarine directly.

    there are some fuses that can be attached to conventional bombs so they can be used as mines in shallow waters but that is it... and unless the sub puts its periscope above the water for the Backfires radar to detect then it wont find them either.


    This is not about today, obviously, and less about aircrafts out of service like the first generation of the Tu-22, but if you want, would not be bad if you do the list of models of submarine that have SAM capabilities today, and their owners. Today are very few. In the future is likely to see submarines and strategic bombers (also supersonic) being able to engage.

    First the supersonic aircrafts were very vulnerable, later when we realized that they can have a strong and effective escort flying at supersonic speed, the operation was too expensive (like Desert Storm, no less), and now, when we realized that would be a transport operation of less than 24 hours (likely without fire), there is a problem with strategic bombers of today engaging future SAM submarines. Well, we are advancing, we need only to realize that future supersonic strategic bombers for sea work, likely will be able to engage future SAM submarines.

    Still, not so sure if you keep in the mind the right definition of strategic bomber, and of which are the strategic bombers of the last decades and today:

    wikipedia wrote:A strategic bomber is a medium to long range penetration bomber designed to drop large amounts of air-to-ground weaponry onto a distant target for the purposes of debilitating the enemy's capacity to wage war. Unlike tactical bombers, penetrators, fighter-bombers, and attack aircraft, which are used in air interdiction operations to attack enemy combatants and military equipment, strategic bombers are designed to fly into enemy territory to destroy strategic targets (e.g., infrastructure, logistics, military installations, factories, and cities). In addition to strategic bombing, strategic bombers can be used for tactical missions. The United States, Russia, and China maintain strategic bombers.

    ...

    Cold War[edit]

    Weapons loads can include nuclear-armed missiles as well as aerial bombs

    Reciprocating/Turbine engine
    United Kingdom Avro Lincoln (22,000 lb)
    United States Lockheed P-2 Neptune – small number converted as carrier-launched nuclear-armed bombers which would have to ditch/recover at land bases
    United States Boeing B-50 Superfortress (28,000 lb)
    Soviet Union Tupolev Tu-4 – reverse-engineered version of B-29 Superfortress
    United States Convair B-36 Peacemaker (72,000 lb)
    Soviet Union Tupolev Tu-95 (55,000 lb)

    Jet engine
    United States North American B-45 Tornado (22,000 lb)
    United States Boeing B-47 Stratojet (25,000 lb)
    Soviet Union Myasishchev M-4 (52,910 lb)
    Soviet Union Tupolev Tu-16 (20,000 lb)
    China Xian H-6 (20,000 lb)
    United States Boeing B-52 Stratofortress (70,000 lb)
    United Kingdom Vickers Valiant (21,000 lb)
    United Kingdom Avro Vulcan (21,000 lb)
    United States Douglas A-3 Skywarrior – nuclear-armed, carrier-based
    United Kingdom Handley Page Victor (35,000 lb)

    Supersonic
    United States Convair B-58 Hustler (19,450 lb)
    France Dassault Mirage IV (16,000 lb)
    United States General Dynamics FB-111A – strategic bomber version of the F-111 swing wing strike aircraft
    Soviet Union Tupolev Tu-22 Blinder (20,000 lb)
    Soviet Union Tupolev Tu-22M Backfire (46,300 lb)
    United States Rockwell B-1 Lancer (75,000 lb – use of external hardpoints restricted by START I)
    Soviet Union Tupolev Tu-160 Blackjack (88,200 lb)
    others designed and built which did not enter operational service:
    Soviet Union Myasishchev M-50 Bounder
    United States North American XB-70 Valkyrie
    Soviet Union Sukhoi T-4 Sotka

    Post Cold War[edit]

    United States Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit (40,000 lb)

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:24 am

    Don't really care about that loose wiki interpretation of strategic.

    Last time I looked strategic means hitting your enemy on their soil, so for a Russian bomber that means flying to the US and back.

    By definition in the START treaties that pretty much means 5,000km radius or more.

    very simply the Bear and Blackjack are strategic bombers and the Backfire is a theatre bomber... even though only the backfire actually carries bombs as such now.


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    Post  eehnie on Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:20 am

    GarryB wrote:Don't really care about that loose wiki interpretation of strategic.

    Last time I looked strategic means hitting your enemy on their soil, so for a Russian bomber that means flying to the US and back.

    By definition in the START treaties that pretty much means 5,000km radius or more.

    very simply the Bear and Blackjack are strategic bombers and the Backfire is a theatre bomber... even though only the backfire actually carries bombs as such now.

    You will need a bigger effort to redefine the military theory. Not as easy.

    As example your second sentence excludes ICBMs as strategic weapons because they can not return... Also would exclude kamikaze aircrafts (manned or unmanned). And your third sentence excludes as strategic bombers all the historic strategic bombers of the WWII and earlier.

    START treaties are words of political convenience. Not of military theory.

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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:37 am

    You have to use common sense... a Kornet ATGM can be fired from Russian territory and hit NATO countries... that does not make it a strategic missile.

    the criteria for strategic BOMRERS is for BOMBERs and would not include strategcic missiles or indeed small arms ammo which could also be fired from Russia territory to NATO territory.


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    Re: Tu-22M3: News

    Post  eehnie on Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:You have to use common sense... a Kornet ATGM can be fired from Russian territory and hit NATO countries... that does not make it a strategic missile.

    the criteria for strategic BOMRERS is for BOMBERs and would not include strategcic missiles or indeed small arms ammo which could also be fired from Russia territory to NATO territory.

    Sorry but this is not like the science works. Exact formulations valid for every case and invariable with the time are key for a right definition.

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    Post  bojcistv on Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:06 pm

    Russian Tu-22M3 'Backfire' long-range bombers strike ISIS from Iran's Hamadan airfield / since I am a new member and as such I am not allowed to post external links or emails for 7 days so maybe some other could upload YT video of that action.
    Any way with this deployment they cut the distance from Mozdok to Syria targets more than twice (2000 vs 700 km). I read somewhere Russians will base their TU-22M in Hammadan for some longer period of time, is this a true since Khmmeim base is going to be permanent Russia's air base modified to receive and operate TU-22M planes?

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:52 pm

    AFAIK Iranian law does not allow for permanent foreign bases on its territory.

    The basing again, as far as I know is about the fight against terrorist and is a temporary thing to improve the performance of Russian aircraft in combating Daesh in allowing shorter flight times with heavier bomb loads and faster response times.


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    Post  bojcistv on Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:07 pm

    Yes I am aware of that Iranian regulative. I thought it should have been done earlier but probably this heavy fighting around Aleppo add some speed to finalization of that strategy.
    Any way does anybody know by how much Tu-22 payload is increased by this cutting the distance?

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    Russia orders new Kh-32 cruise missiles to arm Tu-22M3 bombers

    Post  David-Lanza on Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:14 pm

    The Russian Aerospace Defence Forces or VKO plans to order the new Kh-32 (also named X-32) cruise missiles to arm its Tupolev Tu-22M3 “Backfire” bombers.

    The VKO has successfully conducted Operational Evaluation trials of the Kh-32 air-launched stand-off cruise missile. The Kh-32 can use a combination of GLONASS and GPS and radar terrain mapping to achieve extremely high levels of accuracy such as that found in modern cruise missiles.

    According to the information available, Kh-32 missile made on the basis of Kh-22 and similar to its predecessor in most basic characteristics is to replace Kh-22. The maximum speed of Kh-32 will be 4000 km/h, which is quite similar to the previous missile.

    However, its range should be must greater – it will be 800-1000 km vs. 450-600 for Kh-22. It is expected that Kh-32 will become available in 2018.


    LINK: http://defence-blog.com/news/russia-orders-new-kh-32-cruise-missiles-to-arm-tu-22m3-bombers.html

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:28 am

    Any way does anybody know by how much Tu-22 payload is increased by this cutting the distance?

    When operating over a 2,000km radius or less some fuel can be offset to add to payload capacity.

    Max bomb load is reportedly 24 tons with a 2,000km radius of action.


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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:46 pm

    Invincible Weapon: Russian Long-Range Bombers to Receive New Cruise Missiles Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation

    Russian Tu-22M3 Backfire long-range bombers will be armed with the newest Kh-32 cruise missile, almost invincible to enemy air defenses and interceptor jets.

    After a Kh-32 rocket is launched from the aircraft it reaches an altitude of up to 40 km, entering the stratosphere, and then rushes down at the target. Currently, tests of the new missile are in the final stage, a defense industry source told the Russian newspaper Izvestia. Tactical Missiles Corporation also confirmed that the company is now working on the Kh-32 missile. First of all, the newest missile will be aimed at destroying enemy warships, radar stations and targets that seriously distort radar signals for bombers, including bridges, military bases and power stations, military expert Dmitry Kornev said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160825/1044626848/tu-22-new-missile.html


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    Post  Benya on Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:22 pm

    Russia will modernize its Tu-22M3s thumbsup


    Another long-range Tu-22M3 bomber for VKS Russia last repair and modernization

    On "KAZ them. Gorbunov (branch of PJSC "Tupolev") were carried out major repairs and work on the modernization of electronic equipment up to standard Tu-22M3. The plane is registered RF-34035. Upon completion of the test acceptance flights in the near future the board will be given space Air Force, in the framework of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation gosoboronkontrakta.

    Source (in Russian):
    Arrow http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/82342/


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    Post  OminousSpudd on Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:23 pm

    Benya wrote:Russia will modernize its Tu-22M3s thumbsup


    Another long-range Tu-22M3 bomber for VKS Russia last repair and modernization

    On "KAZ them. Gorbunov (branch of PJSC "Tupolev") were carried out major repairs and work on the modernization of electronic equipment up to standard Tu-22M3. The plane is registered RF-34035. Upon completion of the test acceptance flights in the near future the board will be given space Air Force, in the framework of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation gosoboronkontrakta.

    Source (in Russian):
    Arrow http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/82342/


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    Er... so that would be Tu-22M3M then?

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    Post  Benya on Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:36 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Benya wrote:Russia will modernize its Tu-22M3s thumbsup


    Another long-range Tu-22M3 bomber for VKS Russia last repair and modernization

    On "KAZ them. Gorbunov (branch of PJSC "Tupolev") were carried out major repairs and work on the modernization of electronic equipment up to standard Tu-22M3. The plane is registered RF-34035. Upon completion of the test acceptance flights in the near future the board will be given space Air Force, in the framework of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation gosoboronkontrakta.

    Source (in Russian):
    Arrow http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/82342/


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    Er... so that would be Tu-22M3M then?

    To be honest, I don't know. Maybe it is a part of a bigger contract(?)

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:45 pm

    New Russian cruise missiles to hit targets from 130,000 feet

    Published: Aug. 30, 2016 at 9:23 AM Nikolai Litovkin, Russia Beyond the Headlines

    Russian designers are carrying out final tests of the newest Kh-32 cruise missiles for the Tu-22M3 long-range bombers involved in the Syrian operation. The new weapon will be able to rise into the stratosphere to a height of up of 130,000 feet, with a nuclear or conventional 1,102-pound warhead and hit targets within a few yards. Each long-range bomber can carry only two of these cruise missiles, each of which weighs about 6 tons. As Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the Natsionalnaya Oborona (National Defense) magazine, told RBTH, the Kh-32 is perfect for attacking the enemy's carrier strike groups and large ships. "However, the weapon will not be used in the operations of the domestic Aerospace Forces abroad and will serve only as a deterrent as part of the Russian Federation's military doctrine," he said.
    Kh-32 specifications
    The missile is equipped with an inertial navigation system (an autonomous system not affected by electronic warfare) and heat-seeking warheads with a radar homing head. This solution will greatly improve the accuracy of its guidance, making it independent of GPS/Glonass navigation satellite systems. Unlike other missiles, the Kh-32 rises into the stratosphere to the height of aerospace probes, where there are no potential adversary fighters or missiles. Then it flies a distance of up to 620 miles before swooping down on a target. According to an RBTH source in the defense industry, no Russian or foreign missile defense system today is able to detect the Kh-32 approaching the target: neither the domestic S-400 Triumph system nor the American MIM-104 Patriot. "The airspeed of the Kh-32 is five times higher than its predecessor, which has been deployed since the late 1960s," the source said. "Air and missile defense systems today cannot detect a diving warhead, which moves down at a speed of over 5,400 km/h." According to the source, the Kh-32 does not violate the provisions of the Outer Space Treaty of 1967 as it is not launched into orbit. It also does not violate the provisions of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty – the agreement does not prohibit either Russia or the United States from developing air-to-surface missiles, the RBTH source explained. The Kh-32, which is comparable with a front-line fighter aircraft in size, is an upgrade of a missile from the late 1960s. Its predecessor could also be fitted with a 500-kg nuclear or conventional warhead. However, its operational range was only 55 miles, and its accuracy left much to be desired. But today, designers have created a new engine, which allows the missile to hit targets at a distance of up to 1,000 kilometers, and a new control system, which coordinates with other munitions fired in a volley. http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2016/08/30/New-Russian-cruise-missiles-to-hit-targets-from-130000-feet/4301472562569/
    Cheaper than developing & fielding AShBMs like China does!
    1 more nail in the coffin of the notion that USN carrier groups r still relevant vs. Russia's landmass!

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    Post  Viktor on Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:55 pm

    no no no .... its a DETTERENCE weapon !!! thumbsup Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Its a biggest baddass ever to walk the earth given conventional limitations only Laughing Laughing Laughing



    New Russian cruise missiles to hit targets from 130,000 feet

    Published: Aug. 30, 2016 at 9:23 AM Nikolai Litovkin, Russia Beyond the Headlines

    Russian designers are carrying out final tests of the newest Kh-32 cruise missiles for the Tu-22M3 long-range bombers involved in the Syrian operation. The new weapon will be able to rise into the stratosphere to a height of up of 130,000 feet, with a nuclear or conventional 1,102-pound warhead and hit targets within a few yards. Each long-range bomber can carry only two of these cruise missiles, each of which weighs about 6 tons. As Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the Natsionalnaya Oborona (National Defense) magazine, told RBTH, the Kh-32 is perfect for attacking the enemy's carrier strike groups and large ships. "However, the weapon will not be used in the operations of the domestic Aerospace Forces abroad and will serve only as a deterrent as part of the Russian Federation's military doctrine," he said.
    Kh-32 specifications
    The missile is equipped with an inertial navigation system (an autonomous system not affected by electronic warfare) and heat-seeking warheads with a radar homing head. This solution will greatly improve the accuracy of its guidance, making it independent of GPS/Glonass navigation satellite systems. Unlike other missiles, the Kh-32 rises into the stratosphere to the height of aerospace probes, where there are no potential adversary fighters or missiles. Then it flies a distance of up to 620 miles before swooping down on a target. According to an RBTH source in the defense industry, no Russian or foreign missile defense system today is able to detect the Kh-32 approaching the target: neither the domestic S-400 Triumph system nor the American MIM-104 Patriot. "The airspeed of the Kh-32 is five times higher than its predecessor, which has been deployed since the late 1960s," the source said. "Air and missile defense systems today cannot detect a diving warhead, which moves down at a speed of over 5,400 km/h." According to the source, the Kh-32 does not violate the provisions of the Outer Space Treaty of 1967 as it is not launched into orbit. It also does not violate the provisions of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty – the agreement does not prohibit either Russia or the United States from developing air-to-surface missiles, the RBTH source explained. The Kh-32, which is comparable with a front-line fighter aircraft in size, is an upgrade of a missile from the late 1960s. Its predecessor could also be fitted with a 500-kg nuclear or conventional warhead. However, its operational range was only 55 miles, and its accuracy left much to be desired. But today, designers have created a new engine, which allows the missile to hit targets at a distance of up to 1,000 kilometers, and a new control system, which coordinates with other munitions fired in a volley.

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