Will the Muslims that live in Russia cause problems for Russia?

miketheterrible wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:I noticed it too in comments section but there seems to be a considerable amount of wierd wording.

They say country but not in the sense of country as separate but also mention that they are southern Russia.

Wording is fucked but it is similar to how they say "this or that country" within Canada or USA.  

This is pretty much it. Actual seperatists in Dagestan are rare but they are proud of their own republic and traditions. In practice Dagestan like Chechnya pretty much is ruled by its own people not those sent from Moscow and everyone is fine with this arrangement. When Moscow does send someone there (like now with Vasilyev) it's because they failed to get their own shit together themselves.

Daegestan and Ingushetia are the two regions where they had one of the highest in wanting to stay part of Russia back in the early 90's.  In current times, they are also some of the most patriotic to Russia next to Chechnya where they all vote heavy for a heavy handed government in Moscow.

They seem to at least love their home country Russia.  And yes, they love their region of Russia and well, that is good for them.

miketheterrible wrote:I doubt it. It was pushed by Western groups who had a wish for separatism.

Chechnya proved that they initially had that desire.

These days, they are usually quiet. But I imagine it's the money they get and yes, the dominant clans who control the area.

miketheterrible wrote:That isn't really how things work. This isn't the 18th century where you have to be at the border to fuck someone over.

Turkey already plays these games. Hence why Russia has a national guard.

flamming_python wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:That isn't really how things work. This isn't the 18th century where you have to be at the border to fuck someone over.

Turkey already plays these games. Hence why Russia has a national guard.

It's exactly how things work

How did the Saudis, Turks, Western intelligence services all start making allies and encouraging Chechen rebels in the 90s?

Through Georgia and a fuck ton of money, corrupt Russian officials and officers, and a collapsing political system in general

You don't have to be at someone's border but it certainly helps, and a land-based supply route is the most reliable. Georgia's still unfriendly and encourages seperatism in the North Caucasus through its intelligence services at every opportunity. The Turks are in Azerbaijan now and only have to wait until the next real political crisis or collapse in Russia.

Russian women offend Muslim leaders by cheerily squatting in body-hugging workout outfits – using a mosque as the backdrop (VIDEO)

A group of fitness-loving Russian women have been filmed squatting in front of a mosque during the holy month of Ramadan, causing Muslim leaders to reportedly label the posterior-pronouncing clip "provocative" and "unacceptable".

The athletic group of girls were filmed from behind performing squats before simpering for the camera in front of the Kul-Sharif mosque ahead of the Kazan Marathon, providing a racey warm-up which they are said to have insisted was not intended to be disrespectful ahead of the epic race.

Their protestations of innocence are said to have done little to appease unimpressed religious chiefs, with the Deputy mufti of Tatarstan, Rafik Mukhametshin, reportedly calling the stunt a provocation.

"They can refer to the secular state – 'whatever we want, we do it'," Mukhametshin is quoted as saying by Lenta. "But for the religious Muslim community, such forms are unacceptable."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1389161098583191552

The event in the majority Muslim state of Tatarstan prides itself on passing a number of historic landmarks including the sacred site, which was first built during the 16th century and is one of the largest of its kind in Europe.

The video was said to have been uploaded to Russian social media site VK on the day of the race. "We did not pursue any malicious intent and never wanted to offend anyone,” its author is claimed to have said, adding that the backdrop for the show-offs was a coincidence.

"We were warming up on the stage, which stood against the background of the mosque."

Local news website PDM News quoted Mukhametshin as elaborating: "It is unacceptable. Another background could be found.

"I think these are provocative actions on their part. We do not support such behaviour.”

PhSt wrote:So what do these "Muslim leaders" want to happen to these women who were only doing some workout? Just because there is a mosque on the horizon doesn't mean the area where they are filming is still part of the mosque. I hope Russian authorities don't fall for this Whining/Drama that Muslimes seem to always do when they want to Impose Islamic rule over territories and its people. Russian government needs to remind the Muslimes whinners that such an overreaction is a form of Islamic Extremism and that they would be shipped to Institutions in Xinjiang if they continue such behavior.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:I dunno if people already mentioned this but there are already Muslim cultures inside portions of Russia, Turks included and that haven't tried to do anything, the only case of this was Chechyena way back when.

So the answer at this time is no, in the future? I mean that's hard to say. No one knows what the future holds.

elconquistador wrote:

Also agree with the muzzies for once. This sort it degenerate whoring-yourself-for-likes-and-male-validation doesn't belong in or near holy places.

lyle6 wrote:

PhSt wrote:So what do these "Muslim leaders" want to happen to these women who were only doing some workout? Just because there is a mosque on the horizon doesn't mean the area where they are filming is still part of the mosque. I hope Russian authorities don't fall for this Whining/Drama that Muslimes seem to always do when they want to Impose Islamic rule over territories and its people. Russian government needs to remind the Muslimes whinners that such an overreaction is a form of Islamic Extremism and that they would be shipped to Institutions in Xinjiang if they continue such behavior.

They can go ahead and eat pig shit. They want their Sharia bullshit, go ahead, pick up that AK. Until then they better learn to grin and bear it.

Finty wrote:

elconquistador wrote:

Also agree with the muzzies for once. This sort it degenerate whoring-yourself-for-likes-and-male-validation doesn't belong in or near holy places.

Slippery slope, I don't want to agree with that goat-f*cking lot but there will be other things e.g. when you see things like 11 year olds in the west saying they are queer and doing drag then I'd have probably have similar views on it.

flamming_python wrote:

Finty wrote:

elconquistador wrote:

Also agree with the muzzies for once. This sort it degenerate whoring-yourself-for-likes-and-male-validation doesn't belong in or near holy places.

Slippery slope, I don't want to agree with that goat-f*cking lot but there will be other things e.g. when you see things like 11 year olds in the west saying they are queer and doing drag then I'd have probably have similar views on it.

They're not really that radical in Russia, most of our Muslims are moderate and tend to have pretty modern views on women and so on.

I'd tend to say that if spiritual Muslim leaders have an issue with women doing workouts in spandex with a mosque as a backdrop, then OK fair enough, many Orthodox Christian clergy would also have an objection to make if it's being done in front of a church.

You can see by the response the Muslim commission gave that there's nothing extreme in it, they'd just prefer the girls to chose another place.