Project 20380(5): Steregushchy Corvette #2

The-thing-next-door wrote:Does anyone know what makes the Gremyashchiys "too expensive" for large scale manufacture?

Wouldn't the Redut system be the most expensive thing on the ship?

Basically the 20386 Mercury doesn't cost all that much more than the Gremyashchyj, but is more flexible so if it pans out they'll just order those

The Gorshkov doesn't cost all that much more either, and if they just need a general-purpose sea zone vessel with firepower they can acquire more of those instead of Gremyashyj's, with more endurance to boot

And of course the Steregushyj while less capable, is also a lot cheaper and works fine as a littoral patrol vessel

So the Gremyashyj doesn't really have a niche. It's being ordered while Gorshkov construction and working out the kinks is still getting into gear, and the Mercury is still being constructed and then trialed.

And of course the Steregushyj while less capable, is also a lot cheaper and works fine as a littoral patrol vessel wrote:

Steregushyj not even a USKS launcher, only Uranus crap.

The lack of USKS significantly limits the potential of new ships.

The Ch 35 is a slow, short-range missile, just like the Harpoon, it is easy to intercept.

Steregushyj not even a USKS launcher, only Uranus crap.

The Kh-35 is actually a rather good missile in its class. In comparison to its rivals... Exocet and Harpoon, it is longer ranged and more accurate, with a very capable low power MMW radar seeker that is tough to jam...

The lack of USKS significantly limits the potential of new ships.

They use Corvettes for a wide range of missions and roles... not all of them are required to launch 2,500km range land strikes against terrorists...

The Ch 35 is a slow, short-range missile, just like the Harpoon, it is easy to intercept.

Like those drones and missiles that took out those oil facilities in Saudi Arabia were easy to intercept?

They fly at about 3m altitude above the wave tops... they are not easy to intercept by any means for 90% of the worlds navies.

And even those 10% that could deal with such missiles, they have a range of ships from carriers and cruisers down to supply and support ships... not every ship in the US navy needs a Zircon to sink it...

Having Urans makes it as well armed as any HATO frigate...

Arrow wrote:The Ch 35 is a slow, short-range missile, just like the Harpoon, it is easy to intercept.

A perfectly adequate weapon for all targets < 3500 ton displacement; missile boats, landing vessels, logistics vessels, other corvettes and light frigates near the shore.
Not to mention it's well equipped against subs which is the oth r main thing.

The Steregushiys won't be taking on carrier groups nor destroyers

And the harpoon has its niche too after all

They don't need anything better than Harpoon... the Russian Navy is tiny... and they have more than enough Harpoons and carriers and carrier aircraft and bases around China to exert the pressure they want to exert.

The ships in a US carrier group are there to protect the carrier, the main strike power comes from the carrier aircraft.

Equally they have enough missile cruisers to load one up specially to attack a specific target and send it in a group of other ships that can have the air defence missiles to protect it.

They also have bases around the planet where they can fly in missiles to load on ships to deploy anywhere rather quickly.

When War is business then having to buy batches of anti ship missiles in the thousands is a good thing for them.

When was the last time they actually sank a ship?

Most of their operations are sabre rattling and showing the flag.

GarryB wrote:They don't need anything better than Harpoon... the Russian Navy is tiny... .

Currently, many ships are being built. Will the Russian navy be large in 2030? Lots of new frigates, corvettes, maybe project 22350M, lots of submarines.In addition, modern anti-ship and maneuvering missiles will significantly increase the capabilities of this VMF. Now even ships with a displacement of 800 tons have a lot of power. Still the tactic of diffuse mortality.

Currently, many ships are being built. Will the Russian navy be large in 2030? Lots of new frigates, corvettes, maybe project 22350M, lots of submarines.

The introduction of a lot of new ships is good but will also lead to the retirement of a lot of old ships that will be replaced, so it is not like their fleets are going to explode in numbers of ships.

In terms of quality and performance there is going to be an enormous increase of course but that will be less visible and obvious...

In addition, modern anti-ship and maneuvering missiles will significantly increase the capabilities of this VMF. Now even ships with a displacement of 800 tons have a lot of power. Still the tactic of diffuse mortality.

Perfectly true again, but until Russia used precision guided land attack cruise missiles in Syria they had actually had them in service for quite some time, but they could be effectively ignored by the west because as any professional sailor knows having a precision guided land attack cruise missile is one thing... anyone could buy such a thing off the shelf or piece it together themselves... that is no indication you have the C4IR to effectively use it.

They knew they had sophisticated missiles available for their ships, but could pretend they are window dressing like tail slide manouvers for fighter planes is dismissed at air shows as parlour tricks. The fact that their fighters can fly in parts of the envelope that made western fighters stall and become sitting ducks was not important or acknowledged.

Having accurate long range cruise missiles was nothing if you didn't have the C4IR to find targets and get that target information to your launch platforms in time to launch a missile to hit the target while still relevant... ie hitting a conference centre 30 minutes after all the ISIS leaders have left is a waste of good intel.

Russian ships could be sailing around with 1,000 Poseidons for all the western public knows... as far as most of my friends know they think Russian long range cruise missiles hit hospitals and churches and schools and weddings... and every single US missile fired destroyed chemical weapons labs and the air fields the attacks were launched from... 100%...

So really in terms of propaganda and internet discussions what the Russians do is not important and everything is fine... Harpoon and Tomahawk are great and indeed money well spent...