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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:26 am

    GarryB wrote:Well a lazy people works both ways... to lazy to stop a NATO colour revolution... also too lazy to stop a Russian colour revolution of their own perhaps... or at least the destruction of anything of value in the country that NATO might find useful...

    Yes but the problem is that Russia cannot do color revolutions.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:07 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Well a lazy people works both ways... to lazy to stop a NATO colour revolution... also too lazy to stop a Russian colour revolution of their own perhaps... or at least the destruction of anything of value in the country that NATO might find useful...

    Yes but the problem is that Russia cannot do color revolutions.

    The correct phrasing is that Russia does not support the sort of scum that makes color revolutions possible.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:52 am

    Who said it can't?

    You don't initiate a colour revolution in a friendly country, but if the alternative is a colour revolution imposed by the US that makes the country hostile to Russia then what is there to lose?

    If they do nothing the country becomes an enemy anyway, so trying and even failing to turn them means worst case they are no worse off...

    Perhaps rather than initiating their own colour revolution in Belarus they should sabotage the inevidable US/UK one and make it fail even more miserably than the one in the Ukraine inevitably did... though that failed because it succeeded.

    Colour revolutions are not supposed to make countries powerful and great... they are supposed to cut relations with Russia and isolate and make that country dependent on the west... ie take a moderately sick patient and then turn them in to a vegetable by cutting them off from their normal life... family and friends and everyone they know... then you feed them the minimum to keep them alive while you steal their house and job and empty their bank accounts...

    Stage a few fatal car crashes and a few falls from tall buildings and that sort of operation could be stopped in its tracks...
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    Post  jhelb on Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:44 am

    kvs wrote:Catholics are not fundamentalist cretins like evangelicals.  

    What about White US Catholics ? Are they fundamentalist like evangelicals?


    kvs wrote:The so-called Protestant churches acting in Latin
    America are US aligned entities.    They are political tools and thus tools of the Devil.

    These conversions have been going on for a long time. No protest whatsoever from the Catholic church.

    GarryB wrote:

    You don't initiate a colour revolution in a friendly country, but if the alternative is a colour revolution imposed by the US that makes the country hostile to Russia then what is there to lose?

    West doesn't need a colour revolution. That's why I gave the example of South America where Catholics are being converted into Protestants with US backing.

    Ever heard about Nepal? It used to be a Hindu majority country. Now it has the fastest growing Protestant population in the world. Almost 25% have converted. In another 20 years it will become Protestant majority.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:59 am

    Actually you hit the nail on the head it is the west that desperately needs some coloured revolutions... and I am not talking about skin colour... I am talking about the people taking control of their own countries.... in the UK, in France, in Germany, in the US, and in every country in the EU... a bit of people power... step one put all the politicians on both sides in jail... there are only ever two major parties in any western political system... one pretends to be left and the other pretends to be right wing but both are generally rather right wing... usually one more than the other.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:38 pm

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Top-Energy-Man-Says-Russia-Cant-Complete-Nord-Stream-Alone.html

    U.S. Top Energy Man Says Russia Can’t Complete Nord Stream Alone


    U.S. Energy Secretary Dan Brouilette believes Russia’s Gazprom will not be able to complete the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project on its own due to U.S. sanctions, Bloomberg reports, citing the official who spoke on the sidelines of an energy conference in Germany, the destination of Nord Stream 2.

    “It’s going to be a very long delay, because Russia doesn’t have the technology,” Brouilette told Bloomberg in an interview. “If they develop it, we’ll see what they do. But I don’t think it’s as easy as saying, well, we’re almost there, we’re just going to finish it.”

    Last month, after the U.S. levied sanctions on companies involved in the construction of the pipeline, Gazprom said it would complete the project on its own.

    "The Nord Stream 2 project, which is already 94 percent complete, will be finished by the Russian side," the director-general of Gazprom Export told media in January.

    The twin pipe of Nord Stream will carry an additional 55 billion cu m of Russian gas to Europe and more specifically, Germany, whose gas hunger is growing as it shuts down coal and nuclear power plants. The controversy around the project centers on Ukraine: Nord Stream bypasses the main transit corridor of Russian gas and could, the Ukrainians and the EU fear, reduce Ukraine’s gas transit revenues severely.

    There is also the geopolitical factor, of course, with the U.S. claiming that the additional pipe will increase Russia’s influence in Europe to unacceptable levels.

    Despite Brouilette’s upbeatness, not all agree that Nord Stream 2 can be stopped. According to experts, ICIS reported earlier this month, all difficulties around the projects are surmountable.

    “Finishing the pipeline in the first quarter of 2021 could be realistic if Russia is able to restart construction works in the first half of 2020. But it will probably take up to twelve months to modernise the ship and this modernisation is intended to allow the ship to work on Sakhalin fields, actually not related to Nord Stream 2,” a Poland-based energy consultant, Mateusz Kubiak from Esperis Consulting, told ICIS.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:50 pm

    Gazprom's pipe laying ship, the "Akademik Chersky", which will be used to lay the last 130 km of pipe, has been despatched.

    It is currently in the South China Sea en route from the Russian Far East to Singapore, on its way, albeit slowly at 7 knots, to the Baltic.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:20 am

    jhelb wrote:
    kvs wrote:Catholics are not fundamentalist cretins like evangelicals.  

    What about White US Catholics ? Are they fundamentalist like evangelicals?

    You think US Catholics are the same as 5th Day Adventists and similar?   You must not be seeing the
    same USA I am seeing from north of the border.


    kvs wrote:The so-called Protestant churches acting in Latin
    America are US aligned entities.    They are political tools and thus tools of the Devil.

    These conversions have been going on for a long time. No protest whatsoever from the Catholic church.

    How can the Catholic church stop this process?   If they say don't do it, then that will achieve the exact opposite.


    GarryB wrote:

    You don't initiate a colour revolution in a friendly country, but if the alternative is a colour revolution imposed by the US that makes the country hostile to Russia then what is there to lose?

    West doesn't need a colour revolution. That's why I gave the example of South America where Catholics are being converted into Protestants with US backing.

    Ever heard about Nepal? It used to be a Hindu majority country. Now it has the fastest growing Protestant population in the world. Almost 25% have converted. In another 20 years it will become Protestant majority.
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    How do you know it is not the USA that exporting this vermin there?   The USA exported its fundie filth to Russia in an attempt
    to proselytize Orthodox Russians.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:28 am

    owais.usmani wrote:https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Top-Energy-Man-Says-Russia-Cant-Complete-Nord-Stream-Alone.html

    U.S. Top Energy Man Says Russia Can’t Complete Nord Stream Alone



    U.S. Energy Secretary Dan Brouilette believes Russia’s Gazprom will not be able to complete the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project on its own due to U.S. sanctions, Bloomberg reports, citing the official who spoke on the sidelines of an energy conference in Germany, the destination of Nord Stream 2.

    “It’s going to be a very long delay, because Russia doesn’t have the technology,” Brouilette told Bloomberg in an interview. “If they develop it, we’ll see what they do. But I don’t think it’s as easy as saying, well, we’re almost there, we’re just going to finish it.”

    Last month, after the U.S. levied sanctions on companies involved in the construction of the pipeline, Gazprom said it would complete the project on its own.

    "The Nord Stream 2 project, which is already 94 percent complete, will be finished by the Russian side," the director-general of Gazprom Export told media in January.

    The twin pipe of Nord Stream will carry an additional 55 billion cu m of Russian gas to Europe and more specifically, Germany, whose gas hunger is growing as it shuts down coal and nuclear power plants. The controversy around the project centers on Ukraine: Nord Stream bypasses the main transit corridor of Russian gas and could, the Ukrainians and the EU fear, reduce Ukraine’s gas transit revenues severely.

    There is also the geopolitical factor, of course, with the U.S. claiming that the additional pipe will increase Russia’s influence in Europe to unacceptable levels.

    Despite Brouilette’s upbeatness, not all agree that Nord Stream 2 can be stopped. According to experts, ICIS reported earlier this month, all difficulties around the projects are surmountable.

    “Finishing the pipeline in the first quarter of 2021 could be realistic if Russia is able to restart construction works in the first half of 2020. But it will probably take up to twelve months to modernise the ship and this modernisation is intended to allow the ship to work on Sakhalin fields, actually not related to Nord Stream 2,” a Poland-based energy consultant, Mateusz Kubiak from Esperis Consulting, told ICIS.

    Tue usual chauvinist drivel from the usual western "ubermenschen" and harmonized yapping minions.

    https://sputniknews.com/business/201605211040013151-gazprom-new-ship-sanctions/

    The Akademic Cherskiy was bought several years ago for the explicit purpose of by-passing any sanctions and has he technology to
    finish the Nord Stream 2 project.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:31 am

    Makes me wonder what is so magical about the pipes being laid leading to Germany that a country like Russia can't manage.... especially considering the thousands of kms of gas pipelines they have laid in their own country leading from the gas fields to say china for example...

    At the end of the day it doesn't even matter if they never finish the pipeline... they have a 5 year contract with the Ukraine now, so the gas can go that way or through the existing pipes through the baltic sea... or indeed through south stream pipes. Even if nord stream II is never finished and the pipes through the ukraine are dismantled by the Ukraine in a hissy fit at not getting a new contract in 5 years time... it does not matter... Russia can liquify its gas and sell it directly to Germany and other countries in the EU, or it can ship it around the world where ever it pleases... the US can't match the prices Russia offers... it would just mean Germany will have to pay lots for its energy and production... that does not hurt Russia or Russian interests... in fact it makes Russian production much more attractive for German companies... they might shift production to where the cheap electrical power is... in Russia. It also makes Russian products more competitive internationally too... another bonus for Russia.

    the US imports gas from Canada and Russia and certainly does not have the capacity to supply europe... now or in the near future as its requirements grow...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:25 am

    I don't think so

    First off, it's about pipe laying ships, not about the pipes. Second, a ship is headed there anyway. Third off, Ukraine already syphoned gas multiple of times and have caused problems of delivery to Europe. Neither Belarus or Ukraine can be trusted.

    Fourth, this is feeding Ukraine. I rather zero bucks goes to that shithole. So the nordstream 2 is rather dire importance.


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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:09 am

    Apparently the Hague is demanding Russia pay $50B to shareholders of Yukos.

    LOL.

    Hopefully Russia says fuck you to Hague

    Edit: apparently Russia can indeed say FU because they never ratified the energy security agreement which gives Hague rights.

    https://twitter.com/russiaspeaks/status/1229705437370572800?s=19
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:45 am

    If the Ukraine break their contract and steal gas then Russia has a couple of options... the alternative pipelines are part of the solution but cannot provide enough gas capacity to replace the pipes going through the Ukraine... which means more than one alternative will be needed anyway... the alternative pipelines plus LNG and closing the pipes through the Ukraine would be my personal choice, but with no cooperation from EU states who pander to US bullshit I would say close off all the pipes and offer LNG instead.... it is slower and more costly but the extra costs can be carried by the consumer... it is not as reliable... right now they can order and pay for gas and have it pumped immediately with the flick of a switch... sending a tanker with LNG is not so quick or nearly so cheap.

    The result would be energy prices for Europe will go up... probably three to four times but on the bright side there could be real competition... but the US gas would need to be subsidised to be competitive.

    EU industry would have to absorb the costs and pay more for their energy...

    And I suspect the Russians are becoming sick of being told what to do by the Hague... Serbs and Russians get a raw deal there... time to say no thanks...
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    Post  owais.usmani on Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:23 am

    https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/Middle-East/Russia-Is-Defeating-The-US-In-The-Middle-East-Oil-Game.html

    Russia Is Defeating The U.S. In The Middle East Oil Game

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    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:37 am

    From Rosneft Official Site

    https://www.rosneft.com/business/Upstream/Offshoreprojects/

    West Arctic: The total recoverable oil and gas resources of the blocks as of December 01, 2019, as assessed by DeGoeller and McNaughton, are estimated at 16 billion TOE.

    East Arctic According to the results of the audit carried out by DeGolyer and McNaughton, as of 01.01.2019, the hydrocarbon resources in the Eastern Arctic shelf areas amount to more than 13.7 billion tons of oil equivalent, excluding the resources of the East Siberian-1 area, estimated by Rosneft at 4.6 billion tons of oil equivalent.
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    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:39 am

    So as per audited result by by DeGoeller and McNaughton for Rosneft the total Artic Recoverable Resources for Oil and Gas is 16 + 13.7 billion TOE = 29.7 Billion TOE just in arctic alone !
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:44 am

    Bulgarian president dissatisfied with gas price talks with Russia

    STFU you entitled crybaby, you tried to sabotage the project and now this Bullgarbagebinian wants ultra cheap prices too?!?!
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:40 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Bulgarian president dissatisfied with gas price talks with Russia

    STFU you entitled crybaby, you tried to sabotage the project and now this Bullgarbagebinian wants ultra cheap prices too?!?!

    Bulgarians were famous for betraying and backstabbing since the (eastern) Roman empire time. After the fall of Costantinople they enjoyed Turkish occupation and repayed the Russians that freed them by backstabbing again.

    This reminds a bit the "Cronic backstabbing disorder" in TVtropes...

    P.S. i do not mean that the Bulgarians are all traitors, just that, as a nation, they often bite the hands that feeds hand helps them, especially if there is a cultural or ethnical affinity...
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    Post  kvs on Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:54 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Bulgarian president dissatisfied with gas price talks with Russia

    STFU you entitled crybaby, you tried to sabotage the project and now this Bullgarbagebinian wants ultra cheap prices too?!?!

    There is no longer any doubt that the Bulgarian regime and elites are total sock puppets of Uncle Scumbag. Too bad for
    these ass-manipulated losers, they no long matter. Even if the Bulgarian branch of Turk Stream is sabotaged, the EU will
    have no cases against Russia since there will be a distribution hub in Greece.

    I don't know why Russian politicians are not sending a clear signal to Uncle Scumbag that they could care less what happens
    in Bulgaria. By keeping quiet they make it look like they are paralyzed with fear or something and invite more dirty pool
    from the yanquis.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:32 pm

    did you read the comments section? There is a Bulgarian in there that is really retarded.

    First off he says the Pipeline is their concern not Russia's. But in same sentence says Gazprom broke agreements and has to adjust the payments. Wait, South Stream was signed agreement that Bulgaria broke. So in the same sentence he contradicted himself.

    And then he says they get cheaper US LNG. As others pointed out, if it is cheaper, then why are they bitching about trying to buy Russian gas?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:15 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:did you read the comments section?  There is a Bulgarian in there that is really retarded.

    First off he says the Pipeline is their concern not Russia's.  But in same sentence says Gazprom broke agreements and has to adjust the payments.  Wait, South Stream was signed agreement that Bulgaria broke.  So in the same sentence he contradicted himself.

    And then he says they get cheaper US LNG.  As others pointed out, if it is cheaper, then why are they bitching about trying to buy Russian gas?
    Yeah I saw his comment, what a delusional fuck. Even Turkey is a more reasonable country here, which is ironic because Turkish will be their main language in 50 years lol! Twisted Evil
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    Post  kvs on Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:12 pm



    The UK has ramped up its imports of Russian LNG by five times and now imports more than twice what it does
    from the USA.

    But the USA is supposed to replace "dependence" on Russia by the EU for its gas.

    Laughing
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:03 pm

    kvs wrote:
    The UK has ramped up its imports of Russian LNG by five times and now imports more than twice what it does
    from the USA.

    But the USA is supposed to replace "dependence" on Russia by the EU for its gas.

    Laughing
    That's interesting, we used to get most of our LPG from Qatar.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:22 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    The UK has ramped up its imports of Russian LNG by five times and now imports more than twice what it does
    from the USA.

    But the USA is supposed to replace "dependence" on Russia by the EU for its gas.

    Laughing
    That's interesting, we used to get most of our LPG from Qatar.

    The UK still does as noted in the video. But the interesting thing is that US LNG is not some fix-all panacea.
    Russian LNG still beats it in price and logistics even though the US is dumping its LNG at below cost on the European
    market.

    It looks like Russia will not be displaced from the EU gas market even if by some miracle all the pipelines are removed.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:41 pm

    kvs wrote:

    The UK has ramped up its imports of Russian LNG by five times and now imports more than twice what it does
    from the USA.

    But the USA is supposed to replace "dependence" on Russia by the EU for its gas.

    Laughing
    Yup! I saw this earlier in the week, and apparently the U.S. has increased its imports of Russian gas. Do you think the US has the testicular fortitude to buy Russian gas and resell it at higher cost? No doubt Poland would buy re-sold Russian LNG at a more expensive price.

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