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Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

George1

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Post n°176

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

George1 Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:24 am

Russia Unveils Plans to Modernize Nuke-Powered Submarines

Russia is modernizing 12 nuclear-powered submarines as part of an ambitious project to extend the life of the vessels by another 20 years, according to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

Six of the submarines are undergoing repairs and upgrades at Zvezda shipyard at Bolshoy Kamen on Russia's Pacific coast.

According to navy and shipyard representatives, the upgrades include new missiles and other weapons. The work aims to put the submarines on the same technological level as Russia's next-generation nuclear-powered boats, such as the new Project 885M Yasen-class submarines.

The six boats reportedly include Schuka-B/Project 971 Akula-class nuclear-powered attack submarines and Antyey/Project 949A Oscar II-class guided-missile submarines that were built in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Three of the six subs reportedly are receiving new anti-ship cruise missiles.

The modernization program has left current force levels as low as nine active submarines across the fleet.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151002/1027942520/russia-submarine-nuclear-sergei-shoigu.html#ixzz3nT2eTQOJ

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Post n°177

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

TheArmenian Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:52 pm

Status of every single Russian Nuclear Submarine:

http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/592457.html

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Post n°178

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

artjomh Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:06 am

TheArmenian wrote:Status of every single Russian Nuclear Submarine:

http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/592457.html

Deep Storm is an amazing website.

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Post n°179

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

George1 Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:06 am

A lot of Akulas are in repair (about 6 of them). There will be 8 Oscars in total when their repair will be completed. Victor III class subs will be the first of old classes that will be withdrawn

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Post n°180

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

Big_Gazza Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:52 am

artjomh wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:Status of every single Russian Nuclear Submarine:

http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/592457.html

Deep Storm is an amazing website.

Agreed 100%, but exceptionally frustrating for us non-Russian speakers... The pages are graphics rather than text, so we can't even copy and paste into a translator... Oh, the pain...

Yes, I need to learn to read Russian, but #$%& I'm 50 and a grumpy old Engineer who has enough to do as it is... Very Happy

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Post n°181

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

Big_Gazza Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:03 am

TheArmenian wrote:Status of every single Russian Nuclear Submarine:

http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/592457.html

If one takes this list at face value and assumes that current in-service units still have significant service life remaining, by 2020 the Russian nuclear sub fleet would comprise of:

SSBN
Project 955/955A: 7-8
Project 667BDRM: 6
Project 667BDR: 1-3 (assuming some retirements)

SSGN/SSN
Project 855/855A: 5-6
Project 949A: 8
Project 971: 10
Project 945/945A: 4
Project 671RTMK 1-4 (assuming some retirements)

This is vastly more optimistic than I had expected, particularly given a decent number of 949A/971 will undergo deep modernisation, and is certainly not the doom & gloom scenario that our sh!t-eating MSM media like to throw around.

I expect that actual delivery schedules will blow out to the right (as they always do in just about any human endeavour) but it is encouraging. russia

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Post n°182

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

Svyatoslavich Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:10 am

Big_Gazza wrote:

artjomh wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:Status of every single Russian Nuclear Submarine:

http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/592457.html

Deep Storm is an amazing website.

Agreed 100%, but exceptionally frustrating for us non-Russian speakers... The pages are graphics rather than text, so we can't even copy and paste into a translator... Oh, the pain...

Yes, I need to learn to read Russian, but #$%& I'm 50 and a grumpy old Engineer who has enough to do as it is...

Learn to read in Russian is not difficult. Many people get scared of the alphabet, but it is really easy and very phonetic. Declensions can be a pain if you need to write or (worse) speak in Russian, but quite transparent when reading. Go for it, in a few months you will be already reading some simple texts like short news.

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Post n°183

Pacific Nuclear Sub Force

slasher Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:33 am

This article's from May last year. Anyone can say what's the status of these four subs?

http://vpk-news.ru/news/25314

I've read that Tomsk has returned to service but little info on how the repairs on others are progressing.
Thought I saw recently too that Ryazan completed repairs but can't seem to find any confirmation.

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Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

slasher Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:56 am

^^^ Okay some news on one of these four:

https://rbth.com/news/2016/03/07/upgraded-kuzbass-nuclear-sub-to-join-pacific-fleet-in-march_573655

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Post n°185

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

TheArmenian Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:07 pm

Can the submarine launched KALIBR cruise missile be launched by a surface ship's torpedo tubes?
In theory at least if not in practice.

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Post n°186

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

nastle77 Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:48 pm

artjomh wrote:

nastle77 wrote:Was the Victor II class submarine equipped with type 65 21 inch ASuW torpedoes ? or any Asuw torpedoes ?

It had 2 x 650 mm torpedo tubes for 65-76 torpedoes. No 650 mm rocket-torpedoes, only Vodopad (which is 533 mm)

Also the SSN-16 Stallion was a dual role weapon ? ASuw and ASW?

RPK-6 had two types of warhead stage: a torpedo and a depth charge. So, in a way, it was a dual-role system, but it couldn't be used for both at the same time, the two versions were in fact separate weapons.

That being said, RPK-6 was designed as an anti-submarine weapon, so using the torpedo in anti-shipping role would be cross-purpose and likely require complete reprogramming of its search programme.

Did it have the same range in the ASW and Asuw role ?

Depends on how you count it.

The rocket stage was the in both versions. Exact range is classified, but various sources give the range between 35 and 50 km. The depth charge warhead was, obviously, completely unguided. The torpedo version, on the other hand, had propulsion of its own, and could travel an extra 8 km. However, practically, the torpedo was programmed to travel in a circular descending pattern, searching for the enemy submarine.

Like I said before, while RPK-6 had a torpedo head, it was not designed for action against enemy surface ships, and it would be highly unlikely that it would every be re-programmed for that kind of operation.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, given this how would you rate the Victor II/III subs in the ASUW role ?

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Post n°187

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

GarryB Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:37 pm

Can the submarine launched KALIBR cruise missile be launched by a surface ship's torpedo tubes?
In theory at least if not in practice.

In theory it probably could... but don't know why you would bother.

I have seen a video of a torpedo being launched from a ships torpedo launcher where the torpedo is blown off the side into the water and then a second or two later the rocket propelled missile bursts out of the water on a ballistic path... I suspect this video shows something like the SS-N-15 or SS-N-16 being fired from ship based torpedo tubes.

Medvedka or Klub (the former with a dedicated launcher and the latter with the UKSK launcher) would make rather more sense for such a role.

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Post n°188

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

Isos Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:08 pm

GarryB wrote:

Can the submarine launched KALIBR cruise missile be launched by a surface ship's torpedo tubes?
In theory at least if not in practice.

In theory it probably could... but don't know why you would bother.

I have seen a video of a torpedo being launched from a ships torpedo launcher where the torpedo is blown off the side into the water and then a second or two later the rocket propelled missile bursts out of the water on a ballistic path... I suspect this video shows something like the SS-N-15 or SS-N-16 being fired from ship based torpedo tubes.

Medvedka or Klub (the former with a dedicated launcher and the latter with the UKSK launcher) would make rather more sense for such a role.

You could give old destroyers like Udaloys or sovr..s possibilies to engage targets at 2000 Km.

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Post n°189

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

GarryB Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:10 am

Rather than launchign them from the torpedo tubes, it would make more sense.. though it would be more expensive and complicated... to install UKSK launchers for the purpose.

An upgrade of their electronics and sensors to modern systems would free up enormous amounts of internal space, and also reduce crew requirements too... with all that extra internal space you could probably fit several UKSK launchers and new vertical launch SAM missile tubes too.

This would not only standardise their armament to match new vessels so older missiles and systems can be retired earlier, but it would also give them brand new capabilities... the Sovremmeny had limited anti sub options, while the Udaloy had limited surface ship attack options... UKSK launchers would give anti sub, anti ship, and land attack capability. And that would include new Zircon hypersonic missile capability too.

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Post n°190

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

George1 Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:26 pm

http://rueconomics.ru/165172-apl-pyatogo-pokoleniya-haski-vmesto-reziny-poluchit-besshumnye-kompozity

According to this article:

According to experts, the use of composite technology in the construction of submarines, as well as the use of new types of missiles, completely fits into the concept of the construction of nuclear submarines of the fifth generation. Recall that last year the two types of submarines of the fifth generation have been announced: ASW submarine, the so-called boat-hunter, and the "aircraft carrier killer" with cruise missiles on board. So one project "Husky" the point here is not exactly over.

"Husky" is referred to replace Yasen class and will be armed with Zircon missile so this submarine will be the "aircraft carrier killer".

Multi-nuclear submarine of project "Husky" fifth generation will replace nuclear submarine Project 885 "Ash", which are now being built and enter the combat strength of the Russian Navy.

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=3&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160318/1392230572.html&usg=ALkJrhialvrxXJ-nlFzgtIGtDZwB9tUIwA

They are also working on a second project which will probably be more light submarine than "Husky"

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Post n°191

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

Isos Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:56 pm

They should replace Victors and Sierras that are 20 years old, not subs which are not even build yet.

Oscar II are very good against carrier, just need improved missiles. 72 Oniks or Zircon each with improved range to 1000km is really enough. Could be easy to improve range because Granits are 10m long and Oniks just 8m ...

Or maybe they should design just one sub that could replace all current subs. Yasen can already replace any of them but its price i really high for a russian sub.

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Post n°192

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:35 am

Quite a good introduction to key Russian nuclear submarines.

http://tass.ru/en/defense/862656

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max steel Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:34 pm

Two Russian Advanced Nuclear Submarines to Be Laid Down in 2016

Two nuclear submarines of Russia's Borey- and Yasen-class will be laid down until the year-end, an official representative of Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation said Friday.

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Post n°194

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max steel Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:41 pm

Fifth-Gen Russian Subs to Use Composites for Increased Stealth

Fifth-generation Russian submarines will use anti-sonar composite materials to hide them from enemy detection systems.The structure and composition of these new multilayer composite materials will significantly reduce the sonar signals reflected from submarine, isolate working mechanisms from vibrations, and so on,” Valery Polovinkin, an adviser to the general director of the Krylov State Research Center, told Izvestia

He also said that, due to the composite material’s high internal loss factor, enemy sonar would simply be unable to pick up the required level of signal while the material’s sound absorption characteristics would minimize the spread of vibrational energy.

The use of composite materials would reduce the weight of the submarine’s structures, increase its reliability and reduce operating costs since composites don’t corrode and need no paint.

Composite structures would also simplify manufacturing, Polovinkin added.The new composite materials are currently being tested and the first all-composite propeller may be ready for sea trials already in 2018.

The new composite materials are still in testing, but Russia will test its first composite propeller design in 2018. “This is one of our institute’s most promising projects,” Polovinkin said.

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Post n°195

Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

George1 Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:25 pm

Current status of construction of nuclear submarines

Web resource "Russian submariners" vk.com/club_podvodnik "today posted a very interesting information about the estimated time of delivery of construction of nuclear submarines and their current status:
At the last meeting of representatives of Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, OAO "PO" Sevmash ", and the main contractors supplying enterprises were announced the following dates ships readiness:

1. Project "Borey-A."

- Coll. 204 (parent) "Prince Vladimir", readiness 44.6%
receiving power - November 2016
conclusion of the workshop - March 2017

- Coll. 205 (1st serial) "Prince Oleg" readiness 19.1%,
the withdrawal of the workshop - December 2018
Deposit - December 2019

- Coll. 206 "Generalissimo Suvorov" readiness 13.9%,
the withdrawal of the workshop - December 2018
Deposit - December 2020

- Coll. 207 "The Emperor Alexander III", readiness 2.7%,
the withdrawal of the workshop - December 2019
Deposit - December 2020

- Coll. 208, readiness 0.3%
tab - December 2016,
the conclusion of the workshop - February 2020
Deposit - November 2021

2. The project "Ash-M".

- Coll. 161 (parent) "Kazan", readiness 67.5%
Deposit - December 2017

- Coll. 162 (1st serial) "Novosibirsk", readiness 35.5%,
the withdrawal of the workshop - December 2018
Deposit - December 2019

- Coll. 163 "Krasnoyarsk", readiness 19.3%
conclusion from the workshop - December 2018
Deposit - December 2020

- Coll. 164 "Arkhangelsk", readiness 4.7%,
the withdrawal of the workshop - December 2019
Deposit - December 2021

- Coll. 165, readiness 0.6%
tab - July 2016,
the conclusion of the workshop - December 2020
Deposit - December 2022

- Coll. 166, readiness 0.3%
tab - July 2017,
the conclusion of the workshop - December 2021
Deposit - December 2023

http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/629346.html

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Post n°196

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George1 Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:19 am

Detailed design of Russia's fifth-generation Husky sub to be ready in two years

More:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/865434

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Post n°197

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GarryB Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:20 pm

They should replace Victors and Sierras that are 20 years old, not subs which are not even build yet.

When they say these new subs will replace Yasen I think they mean replace it in production.

The old Victors etc will of course be replaced first, though with upgrades the Sierras are comparable with the Akulas so they might stay in service for some time. Very Happy

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SeigSoloyvov Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:37 pm

They even still using RK-55's on the modernized akula's?

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GarryB Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:05 pm

RK-55s are nuclear armed and AFAIK are withdrawn from service already.

Upgraded Akulas?

Do you mean the Pike class?

Nato codename for Akula is Typhoon.

AFAIK the upgraded vessels with cruise missile capability will be equipped with Kalibr in conventional and presumably nuclear armed models in reserve too.

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SeigSoloyvov Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:47 pm

Yes I would mean the pike class

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