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    George1
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:32 am

    Project 667BDR/Delta III submarines are alive and well

    On 5 July 2016, Svyatoy Georgiy Pobedonosets, a Project 66BDR/Delta III class submarine, returned to its base in Vilyuchinsk after a combat patrol.

    It is quite remarkable that these submarines are still in service--K-433 Sv. Georgiy Pobedonosets was accepted for service 1980, so it is 36 years old. Even accounting for the fact that she spent most of its service life at a pier, she is an old submarine. The R-29R missiles are getting old too, of course, but they are probably replaced regularly. The Soviet Union produced a lot of SLBMs, so Russia will not run out of missiles for quite some time. We know that there were 4.3 missiles produced for each R-29R launcher, so at some point Russia had almost 1000 missiles of this type. Even though several hundred were probably expended in flight tests over the years, it should be possible to find enough missiles to put on the three Project 667BDR submarines that still remain in service. And they seem to be in good shape - K-223 Podolsk launched its R-29R missile during the exercise in October 2015.

    Delta III submarines will probably retire after new Project 955 Borey submarines take their place in the Pacific. But there are plans to keep at least some old submarines in service -- Ryazan has been undergoing overhaul and will return to the fleet in some capacity.
    http://russianforces.org/blog/2016/08/project_667bdrdelta_iii_submar.shtml



    New schedule for submarine construction

    According to an industry source quoted by TASS, the new Project 955 submarine Knyaz Vladimir will be accepted for service in 2018--a year later than planned. Construction of the submarine began in July 2012. The Kazan multipurpose submarine of the Project 885M class will also join the fleet in 2018. Kazan and Knyaz Vladimir are expected to be launched in December 2016 and March 2017 respectively.

    Knyaz Vladimir is the fourth submarine of the Project 955 class (it is also often classified as Project 955A). The fifth submarine, Knyaz Oleg, is expected to join the fleet in 2019 (it was laid down in July 2014), the sixth and seventh Generalissimus Suvorov (December 2014) and Imperator Alexander III (December 2015) will follow in 2020. The eighth and final Project 955 Borey submarine (to be laid down in December 2016) is expected to begin service in 2021.

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2016/07/new_schedule_for_submarine_con.shtml


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Honesroc on Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:17 am

    Interesting analysis on Russia's Arctic ambitions and capabilities. This article touches on special purpose-built submarines as well as a planned Arctic sonar-net similar to SOSUS

    http://www.hisutton.com/Analysis%20-Russia%20seeks%20submarine%20advantage%20in%20Arctic.html

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:38 pm

    ..WTF?

    Russia is "turning the Arctic into Russia's own back yard."

    Geography lesson for the idiot that wrote that article the Arctic IS Russias back yard... read a fucking atlas.... geez!!!



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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Honesroc on Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:..WTF?

    Russia is "turning the Arctic into Russia's own back yard."

    Geography lesson for the idiot that wrote that article the Arctic IS Russias back yard... read a fucking atlas.... geez!!!


    Gary takes extreme exception to an article's title... As for myself, I'm not bothered by such trivial matters.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:46 am

    Garry takes exception to ignoring western propaganda and just accepting western views as reality.

    If you want to ignore it it will never change and actually only get worse...

    "Aggressive Russia turning to militarise the Black sea by spending money upgrading their military forces in occupied Crimea"

    "Aggressive Russia spending money on military facilities in occupied Japanese islands in northern pacific."

    Now they are spending money in their northern territories... the aggressive bastards... but lets ignore that crap because the articles have nice pictures...


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Singular_trafo on Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:43 pm

    Honesroc wrote:Interesting analysis on Russia's Arctic ambitions and capabilities. This article touches on special purpose-built submarines as well as a planned Arctic sonar-net similar to SOSUS

    http://www.hisutton.com/Analysis%20-Russia%20seeks%20submarine%20advantage%20in%20Arctic.html

    I think the Kilos and the sonar network interrelated.

    The kilos are very quiet in electric mode, means they are ideal rocket/torpedo carrier platform, the sonar network gives the targeting information for the long range eqipment, and bingo, a torpedo carrier rocket can kill any ship/submarine in the sonar network.


    But in the artic you can't use kilos (but you haven't got surface ships as well) , means that the small reactors feed not only sonars, but torpedo mines as well.


    It means that the exclusive economic zone a no go land for any foreign warship/submarine.


    It gives a different view for the chinese misland building activity.

    The main purpose of the chinese sea islands is to protect and control the underwater sonar system.



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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  nastle77 on Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:52 am

    GarryB wrote:Garry takes exception to ignoring western propaganda and just accepting western views as reality.

    If you want to ignore it it will never change and actually only get worse...

    "Aggressive Russia turning to militarise the Black sea by spending money upgrading their military forces in occupied Crimea"

    "Aggressive Russia spending money on military facilities in occupied Japanese islands in northern pacific."

    Now they are spending money in their northern territories... the aggressive bastards... but lets ignore that crap because the articles have nice pictures...

    I agree it's like saying why is US building military bases in Caribbean or UK patrolling the English channel
    all the time western media ignores the military resurgence of Japan

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:57 am

    Malachite Design Bureau has released the first official picture of 5th Gen Medium SSN/SSGN Husky ,  Displacement ~ 6000-7000 Tons



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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:28 am

    I don't believe it is the real deal.
    Just a futuristic looking model created by an artist.

    The real deal is top secret.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:30 am

    TheArmenian wrote:I don't believe it is the real deal.
    Just a futuristic looking model created by an artist.

    The real deal is top secret.

    yes, it resembles akula class


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:59 am

    That's real deal but it would be refined further, it's official Malachite pics

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Singular_Transform on Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:56 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:I don't believe it is the real deal.
    Just a futuristic looking model created by an artist.

    The real deal is top secret.


    The really interesting stuff is under the outer hull.



    It is a double hull machine, and I haven't found information about it, but I think the CCCP/Russian submarines has low/high pressure compartment, hence the deep diving capability, and the automation of the sub.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:50 pm

    Looks aren't important for any ship what matters is the function, I don't know why the look is of nay concern.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Austin on Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:24 am

    The sea component of the nuclear triad will be one of the priorities of the new state program of armaments - the Russian military-industrial complex
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    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=434259

          
    Viña del Mar (Chile). December 2nd. Interfax-AVN - Development of sea-based strategic nuclear forces (SNF) will be one of the main points of the new state armament program (SAP) in the years 2018-2025, "Interfax-AVN" member of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission (VPK) Vladimir Pospelov.

           "By itself, the construction of naval strategic nuclear forces is a top priority and at the same time it organically drawn to the development of the entire fleet categories, types and branches of the Armed Forces, which provide the strategic nuclear forces." - V.Pospelov said.

           He said that we are talking about all the components of the Russian nuclear triad.

           "This also applies to ground strategic nuclear forces, and aviation This orbital grouping, and bringing combat control teams, and many other things that, ultimately, a single system comprehensively solve the problem." - V.Pospelov said, who heads the Council MIC board on shipbuilding.

           Proceeding from this logic, he said V.Pospelov, takes into account various proposals for specific projects of ships, supply vessels, aircraft, other military equipment, which is created in the interest of the development of the naval component of the strategic nuclear forces.

           He stressed that the Russian army entered the twenty-first century with the priorities of national security, that formed a little earlier.

           "It is definitely possible to say that today, first of all it is the strategic nuclear forces provide the global interests of Russia and several other countries of the world. US, UK, France, Germany and some other countries This is - an absolute element of stability on a global scale," - he said in .Pospelov.

           According to him, since the emergence of the nuclear triad development of its sea, air and land component is a priority in the "vёrstkah" SAP. "It was yesterday, is today, and I am sure, will continue in the foreseeable future is the priority that is guaranteed to ensure the protection of our national interests in any of the scenarios." - V.Pospelov said.

           Noting the effectiveness and powerful strategic nuclear forces, which are an essential element of strategic stability, the agency drew attention to the need to improve information support for automated control systems of marine component of the nuclear triad of state. ".. This applies, in particular, to ensure the stability of the combat groups of marine strategic nuclear forces This is the maritime component of general purpose forces and there are a number of other issues that will be emphasized in the new LG" - V.Pospelov said.

           Responding to questions about the financial security of the SAP - 2018-2025, he noted that participated in the formation of three state programs arms.

           "Financial assets never is never too much: no matter how much to offer - they always will learn Certain limitations are present today in our country, and in many other countries." - V.Pospelov said.

           As an example, he cited a number of heads of the Navy Latin American region, which spoke at the International Naval Exhibition "EKSPONAVAL 2016" in Chile.

           "They have a dilemma: they are the commanders of the Navy, we would like one, and countries leadership says it we can, and that - no starts selection options for the development of national Navy The main task here - to competently distribute those funds.. that they can give the state to most effectively achieve the goals set by the leadership of the country ", - said V.Pospelov.

           He stressed that the development of the Russian Navy for many years now goes to the "eye" in the vastness of the oceans, but today it is particularly relevant in view of the current geopolitical situation.

           "Not every country having serious navy, capable of entering the expanses of the oceans We objectively." Imprisoned "at the matter from the time of Peter the First, and always try to match - and the shipbuilding industry, and those federal executive bodies that are involved in . these tasks management of the Ministry of Defence, the leadership of the Military-industrial Commission clearly see and understand the challenges that exist today, and properly respond to them, "- said V.Pospelov.

           New LG spokesman said, takes into account all these factors. 



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