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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Tolstoy on Thu May 05, 2016 9:22 am

    artjomh wrote:It had 2 x 650 mm torpedo tubes for 65-76 torpedoes. No 650 mm rocket-torpedoes, only Vodopad (which is 533 mm)

    Is the choice of a HWT torpedo dictated exclusively by the type of combat management system (CMS) & its associated torpedo fire-control system? If NOT, can Russia-origin torpedoes be fired from any SSK of non-Russian design? Thank You.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:32 am

    Project 667BDR/Delta III submarines are alive and well

    On 5 July 2016, Svyatoy Georgiy Pobedonosets, a Project 66BDR/Delta III class submarine, returned to its base in Vilyuchinsk after a combat patrol.

    It is quite remarkable that these submarines are still in service--K-433 Sv. Georgiy Pobedonosets was accepted for service 1980, so it is 36 years old. Even accounting for the fact that she spent most of its service life at a pier, she is an old submarine. The R-29R missiles are getting old too, of course, but they are probably replaced regularly. The Soviet Union produced a lot of SLBMs, so Russia will not run out of missiles for quite some time. We know that there were 4.3 missiles produced for each R-29R launcher, so at some point Russia had almost 1000 missiles of this type. Even though several hundred were probably expended in flight tests over the years, it should be possible to find enough missiles to put on the three Project 667BDR submarines that still remain in service. And they seem to be in good shape - K-223 Podolsk launched its R-29R missile during the exercise in October 2015.

    Delta III submarines will probably retire after new Project 955 Borey submarines take their place in the Pacific. But there are plans to keep at least some old submarines in service -- Ryazan has been undergoing overhaul and will return to the fleet in some capacity.
    http://russianforces.org/blog/2016/08/project_667bdrdelta_iii_submar.shtml



    New schedule for submarine construction

    According to an industry source quoted by TASS, the new Project 955 submarine Knyaz Vladimir will be accepted for service in 2018--a year later than planned. Construction of the submarine began in July 2012. The Kazan multipurpose submarine of the Project 885M class will also join the fleet in 2018. Kazan and Knyaz Vladimir are expected to be launched in December 2016 and March 2017 respectively.

    Knyaz Vladimir is the fourth submarine of the Project 955 class (it is also often classified as Project 955A). The fifth submarine, Knyaz Oleg, is expected to join the fleet in 2019 (it was laid down in July 2014), the sixth and seventh Generalissimus Suvorov (December 2014) and Imperator Alexander III (December 2015) will follow in 2020. The eighth and final Project 955 Borey submarine (to be laid down in December 2016) is expected to begin service in 2021.

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2016/07/new_schedule_for_submarine_con.shtml


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Honesroc on Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:17 am

    Interesting analysis on Russia's Arctic ambitions and capabilities. This article touches on special purpose-built submarines as well as a planned Arctic sonar-net similar to SOSUS

    http://www.hisutton.com/Analysis%20-Russia%20seeks%20submarine%20advantage%20in%20Arctic.html

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Singular_trafo on Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:43 pm

    Honesroc wrote:Interesting analysis on Russia's Arctic ambitions and capabilities. This article touches on special purpose-built submarines as well as a planned Arctic sonar-net similar to SOSUS

    http://www.hisutton.com/Analysis%20-Russia%20seeks%20submarine%20advantage%20in%20Arctic.html

    I think the Kilos and the sonar network interrelated.

    The kilos are very quiet in electric mode, means they are ideal rocket/torpedo carrier platform, the sonar network gives the targeting information for the long range eqipment, and bingo, a torpedo carrier rocket can kill any ship/submarine in the sonar network.


    But in the artic you can't use kilos (but you haven't got surface ships as well) , means that the small reactors feed not only sonars, but torpedo mines as well.


    It means that the exclusive economic zone a no go land for any foreign warship/submarine.


    It gives a different view for the chinese misland building activity.

    The main purpose of the chinese sea islands is to protect and control the underwater sonar system.


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    In Russia, we created a new sound-absorbing coating for "Boreas" and "Ash"

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:30 pm




    In Russia, we created a new sound-absorbing coating for "Boreas" and "Ash"

    External noise absorbing coating disperses submarine sonar signal and thus provides protection against anti-enemy

    "Tehmash" Concern has launched production of a new special sound-absorbing coating for the fourth-generation submarines, said on Tuesday in the Group.

    "New industrial rubber production will ensure the release of special coatings with improved acoustic performance for modern submarine of the fourth generation of boats. Technical plates, which we launched on the basis of the Cheboksary Production Association named after Chapaev, favorably differ from Western models the ability to absorb the acoustic signals of a wide range and high performance" - are reported words of the general director Sergey Rusakov concern.



    External noise absorbing coating submarine, in particular sonar signal scatters and thus provides protection against anti enemy forces.

    Now several submarines of the fourth generation are in the Russian Navy - a nuclear submarine type "Northwind" and "Ash", as well as non-nuclear "Lada".

    https://defence.ru/issledovanie-materialov/v-rossii-sozdali-novoe-zvukopogloschayuschee-pokritie-dlya-boreev-i-yasenei/
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Isos on Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:15 pm

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-next-two-submarine-projects-feature-some-very-exotic-15618
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:59 pm

    Isos wrote:http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-next-two-submarine-projects-feature-some-very-exotic-15618

    Nonetheless, there some details that have emerged about the projected Husky-class follow-on to the Project 885M Yasen-class boats. For one, the new boats will come in two versions—which are being developed by the Malakhit Design Bureau—that will be based on a common hull design.

    The primary difference will be in the two vessels’ weapon systemsthe “interceptor” variant will not feature tubes to carry long-range anti-ship or cruise missiles. That version of submarine is expected to replace Project 971 Shchuka-B (NATO: Akula), the Project 945 Sierra and the remaining Project 671RTM Shchuka-class (NATO: Victor III) boats. The SSGN variant will replace the Project 949A Antey-class. The SSGN variant will also be armed with hypersonic Zircon cruise missiles.

    The Russians are using the Project 855M Yasen-class as a starting point, but the new submarines will be smaller and cheaper than their Soviet-designed predecessors. Indeed, there are indications that Moscow will be extensively leveraging automation technologies developed for the Project 705 Lira-class attack submarine—better known in the West as the Alfa-class—for the new boats.

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    So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:20 pm

    George1 wrote:.........
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    So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs

    Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:11 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:.........
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    So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs

    Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?

    second version will be SS-G-N cruise missile submarine, SSBN is ballistic submarine Cool


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:14 pm

    George1 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:.........
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    So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs

    Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?

    second version will be SS-G-N cruise missile submarine, SSBN is ballistic submarine Cool

    That is what I meant. Ballistic and cruise missile version.

    That Lira revival was one of the theories floating on the net but I don't think they are serious about it even less so for liquid metal reactor.

    Most likely is that ''experts'' let their Cold War porn leak into their articles. This is National Interest after all.
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    New nuclear submarine projects

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:.........
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    So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs

    Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?

    second version will be SS-G-N cruise missile submarine, SSBN is ballistic submarine Cool

    That is what I meant. Ballistic and cruise missile version.

    That Lira revival was one of the theories floating on the net but I don't think they are serious about it even less so for liquid metal reactor.
    .


    Well even if true SSGN does not mean it cannot carry Zircon or Calibers. 8 or 10 TA means you can make volley of 8-10 missiles if needed.


    Most likely is that ''experts'' let their Cold War porn leak into their articles. This is National Interest after all.

    I am wondering why National Interest is so widely quoted in Russian press after all? self appointing works better then objective evaluation or just because of (US ) name?

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:57 am

    Malachite Design Bureau has released the first official picture of 5th Gen Medium SSN/SSGN Husky ,  Displacement ~ 6000-7000 Tons


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:28 am

    I don't believe it is the real deal.
    Just a futuristic looking model created by an artist.

    The real deal is top secret.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:30 am

    TheArmenian wrote:I don't believe it is the real deal.
    Just a futuristic looking model created by an artist.

    The real deal is top secret.

    yes, it resembles akula class


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:59 am

    That's real deal but it would be refined further, it's official Malachite pics
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Singular_Transform on Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:56 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:I don't believe it is the real deal.
    Just a futuristic looking model created by an artist.

    The real deal is top secret.


    The really interesting stuff is under the outer hull.



    It is a double hull machine, and I haven't found information about it, but I think the CCCP/Russian submarines has low/high pressure compartment, hence the deep diving capability, and the automation of the sub.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:50 pm

    Looks aren't important for any ship what matters is the function, I don't know why the look is of nay concern.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Austin on Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:24 am

    The sea component of the nuclear triad will be one of the priorities of the new state program of armaments - the Russian military-industrial complex
    02/12/2016 9:30:31
    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=434259

          
    Viña del Mar (Chile). December 2nd. Interfax-AVN - Development of sea-based strategic nuclear forces (SNF) will be one of the main points of the new state armament program (SAP) in the years 2018-2025, "Interfax-AVN" member of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission (VPK) Vladimir Pospelov.

           "By itself, the construction of naval strategic nuclear forces is a top priority and at the same time it organically drawn to the development of the entire fleet categories, types and branches of the Armed Forces, which provide the strategic nuclear forces." - V.Pospelov said.

           He said that we are talking about all the components of the Russian nuclear triad.

           "This also applies to ground strategic nuclear forces, and aviation This orbital grouping, and bringing combat control teams, and many other things that, ultimately, a single system comprehensively solve the problem." - V.Pospelov said, who heads the Council MIC board on shipbuilding.

           Proceeding from this logic, he said V.Pospelov, takes into account various proposals for specific projects of ships, supply vessels, aircraft, other military equipment, which is created in the interest of the development of the naval component of the strategic nuclear forces.

           He stressed that the Russian army entered the twenty-first century with the priorities of national security, that formed a little earlier.

           "It is definitely possible to say that today, first of all it is the strategic nuclear forces provide the global interests of Russia and several other countries of the world. US, UK, France, Germany and some other countries This is - an absolute element of stability on a global scale," - he said in .Pospelov.

           According to him, since the emergence of the nuclear triad development of its sea, air and land component is a priority in the "vёrstkah" SAP. "It was yesterday, is today, and I am sure, will continue in the foreseeable future is the priority that is guaranteed to ensure the protection of our national interests in any of the scenarios." - V.Pospelov said.

           Noting the effectiveness and powerful strategic nuclear forces, which are an essential element of strategic stability, the agency drew attention to the need to improve information support for automated control systems of marine component of the nuclear triad of state. ".. This applies, in particular, to ensure the stability of the combat groups of marine strategic nuclear forces This is the maritime component of general purpose forces and there are a number of other issues that will be emphasized in the new LG" - V.Pospelov said.

           Responding to questions about the financial security of the SAP - 2018-2025, he noted that participated in the formation of three state programs arms.

           "Financial assets never is never too much: no matter how much to offer - they always will learn Certain limitations are present today in our country, and in many other countries." - V.Pospelov said.

           As an example, he cited a number of heads of the Navy Latin American region, which spoke at the International Naval Exhibition "EKSPONAVAL 2016" in Chile.

           "They have a dilemma: they are the commanders of the Navy, we would like one, and countries leadership says it we can, and that - no starts selection options for the development of national Navy The main task here - to competently distribute those funds.. that they can give the state to most effectively achieve the goals set by the leadership of the country ", - said V.Pospelov.

           He stressed that the development of the Russian Navy for many years now goes to the "eye" in the vastness of the oceans, but today it is particularly relevant in view of the current geopolitical situation.

           "Not every country having serious navy, capable of entering the expanses of the oceans We objectively." Imprisoned "at the matter from the time of Peter the First, and always try to match - and the shipbuilding industry, and those federal executive bodies that are involved in . these tasks management of the Ministry of Defence, the leadership of the Military-industrial Commission clearly see and understand the challenges that exist today, and properly respond to them, "- said V.Pospelov.

           New LG spokesman said, takes into account all these factors. 


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:07 pm

    Russian submariners to get new escape gear

    According to the Navy’s spokesman, the escape equipment will allow working outside a submarine at depths of up to 20 meters

    MOSCOW, March 13. /TASS/. The crews of nuclear-powered submarines under construction for the Russian Navy will get the submariner’s improved escape gear, Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said on Monday.

    "The crews of nuclear-powered and diesel-electric submarines will be supplied with the submariner’s improved escape gear designated for the personnel’s individual escape from a stricken submarine from depths of up to 220 meters," Dygalo said.

    The submariner’s escape gear has undergone operational evaluation at the Research Institute of Rescue Works and Underwater Technologies of the Navy’s Military Training and Research Center, the spokesman said.

    "The submariner’s improved escape gear is planned to be supplied to the crews of nuclear-powered strategic and multipurpose submarines that are under construction for the Russian Navy, as well as to the crews of Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines, a series of which comprising six underwater cruisers will be built for the Pacific Fleet," the Navy’s spokesman said.

    Simultaneously, there are plans to supply the improved escape gear to the crews of submarines already operational with the Russian submarine force.

    The submariner’s escape gear comprises an insulating respiratory system and an escape and immersion suit. It can also be supplied with the PP-2 parachute system to brake the submariner’s surfacing and prevent Caisson’s disease (the decompression sickness).

    According to the Navy’s spokesman, the escape equipment will allow working outside a submarine at depths of up to 20 meters.


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Isos on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:30 pm

    Future russian SSN, Kashka (according to french spoutnik)

    https://fr.sputniknews.com/defense/201703171030506038-forces-sous-marines-russes/


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:42 pm

    The English translation

    "Husky" is on the way

    Almost all the submarines of projects 885 Yasen and 955 Borey have been laid today, but the Navy leadership has repeatedly stated that the construction of nuclear submarines of this class will not cease - they are the guarantor of Russia's strategic stability and security. In this regard, we can hope that the laying of the head boats of new projects, which will take place on the Sevmash stocks, gradually being released after the Borei and Yaseney, is just around the corner.

    The veil of mystery over one of such projects - the multi-purpose nuclear submarine of the fifth generation of the "Husky" - is gradually breaking down, in 2016 several details became known about the appearance of the promising Russian submarine.

    In particular, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said that "the development of a preliminary design for a prospective nuclear submarine of the fifth generation is currently underway, which will result in a decision on the timing of its creation."

    The Saint-Petersburg Naval Bureau of Machine Building "Malakhit" traditionally deals with the development of multi-purpose nuclear submarines in Russia. The general director of the enterprise Vladimir Dorofeev noted that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a contract for the development of a multi-purpose nuclear submarine of the fifth generation, and its construction will begin after 2020.

    Readiness to begin work on the fifth generation in these terms is confirmed by Sevmash. The plant's general director Mikhail Budnychenko, in an interview with RIA Novosti, noted that the modernization of the company's facilities, which will enable the construction of a new generation of submarine cruisers, is to be completed by 2020.

    "Currently, the modernization of the plant's capacities for the construction of modern nuclear submarines is actively going on, and this, of course, will serve as the foundation for the further construction of the new generation submarine cruisers." According to the current federal target program, the modernization of the enterprise should be completed by 2020, "Budnichenko said.

    At the same time, Igor Ponomarev, vice president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) for military shipbuilding, stressed that the decision to build the Husk will be taken after consideration of the preliminary design of the prospective nuclear submarine, which will take about two years to develop.

    The tactical and technical characteristics of the "Husky" to date, of course, are unknown. For the time being it is clear only that these submarines will combine the qualities of multi-purpose and strategic nuclear submarines, and their armament will be equipped with hypersonic cruise missiles "Cicron" capable of developing a speed that exceeds the speed of sound by five to six times.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Arrow on Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:27 am

    Interesting why Russia doesn't use pump jet propulsion which generate less noise. All modern nuclear submarine use this propulsor. Astute, Virgina, Borey, Le Triomphant.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:09 am

    The Russians have plenty of experience with pump jets... they tested them on a modified Kilo class sub for several years...


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Arrow on Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:21 am

    But the pump jet generate loss noise than screw. Russia use this propel in project 955. Of course this is more expensive.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:29 am

    Arrow wrote:Interesting why Russia doesn't use pump jet propulsion which generate less noise. All modern nuclear submarine use this propulsor. Astute, Virgina, Borey, Le Triomphant.

    Pump jets are a method to avoid the cavitation noise from propellers.
    Cavitation noise is inversely proportional to depth at which the submarine sails.

    For example:
    At a given depth, cavitation noise is generated once the speed reaches a certain level.
    At lower depths, the same cavitation noise will start only at higher speeds.
    At 500 m depth there is virtually no cavitation noise even at high speeds.

    For strategic subs (SSBNs) who have to go to shallow depths to fire their Ballistic Missiles, pump-jets are a good idea (although they penalize performance). Hence, the Russians are equipping their Borey class SSBNs with pump-jets.
    Attack submarines (SSNs), usually operate at lower depths where cavitation noise is a much lesser problem. In order not to sacrifice performance, the Russians are staying away from pump-jets in the Yasen class submarines.



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