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    Akula leased Nuclear Submarine: News

    Post  Corrosion on Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:14 pm

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    It has been named INS Chakra.

    Indian MoD is considering leasing one more sub of the same class.

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    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:05 am

    India will this year get from Russia apart from this sub a aircraft carrier and two frigates. LOL.

    Imagine how much will its naval power rise just in one year because of Russia deliveries. Very Happy

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:28 am

    Not sure where they would get the other sub from.

    The only other non completed sub is the Irbis, and it needs a lot of work.

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    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:34 am

    TR1 wrote:Not sure where they would get the other sub from.

    The only other non completed sub is the Irbis, and it needs a lot of work.

    What about Oscar class. There has being some mentioning of leasing Belgorod to India some time earlier. Now I dont thing Belgorod could be one but there are two other unfinished hulls.

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    Post  Raghu Reddy on Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:32 pm

    Viktor wrote:India will this year get from Russia apart from this sub a aircraft carrier and two frigates. LOL.

    Imagine how much will its naval power rise just in one year because of Russia deliveries. Very Happy

    IN is quite well indigenous, compare to other two Forces.

    Added to the mentioned warships inducting from russia. IN will also commissioning another 2 Destroyers, 1 SSBM submarine, 1 Frigate and other small ships this year.



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    Post  TR1 on Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:47 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Not sure where they would get the other sub from.

    The only other non completed sub is the Irbis, and it needs a lot of work.

    What about Oscar class. There has being some mentioning of leasing Belgorod to India some time earlier. Now I dont thing Belgorod could be one but there are two other unfinished hulls.

    Belgorod as you said is not an option anymore.

    The other two hulls are @ Sevmash and are lightyears away from completion, and honestly never will be. Costs would be enormous, India won't front it, and Russia doesn't need them. Also, there are persistent rumors of sections of them being used in 955 construction.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:01 am

    Perhaps they might offer to pay for the upgrade of an in service Oscar II to add Brahmos missile launchers.

    The price they pay for the lease and the upgrade of the vessel could potentially pay for the upgrade of the rest of the vessels and perhaps help subsidise the completion of other vessels of the class.

    I would think that an Oscar class sub with 72 Brahmos missiles, or even 36 missiles depending how many they can adapt it to carry would be of use to India as they are working towards being able to build their own nuclear powered subs and an Oscar class SSGN would be useful for them in terms of experience... the previous vessel they had was a Charlie SSGN armed with a Soviet designed missile. An Oscar with a Brahmos would actually be more suitable for them and any potential indigenous Indian nuclear powered SSGN would need to be able to carry Brahmos now and Brahmos II in the future.

    For Russia the upgrade of its Oscars to carry Onyx or Brahmos would make things much better for them as Granits are no longer in production and a sub with 36-72 such missiles would be a very potent response to AEGIS class cruisers in the North Atlantic or Arctic Ocean for the purposes of ABM use.

    Remember ideally in the ABM role the AEGIS class ships will carry as many SM-3s as possible but with Oscars operating in the area they will need lots of SM-2s to defend itself too.


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    Post  TR1 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:51 am

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    Pic of the hulls, summer 2011.

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    Post  Corrosion on Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:43 am

    Man attempts to steal INS Chakra documents
    Source : Times of India
    The attempt to steal the secret documents was made in Novotel Hotel room (No. 534) of a high- ranked Russian officer T Alexander when he was away. Alexander, who is a vice admiral rank officer, was shocked to see his room lock broken when he returned around 2.30 pm. He immediately called the police.
    A senior police official said the accused had tried in vain to break open the secret locker in the room. But unconfirmed reports said he walked away with some documents from the locker.
    Sources said Alexander had come to Vizag on March 30 to train the sailors of INS Chakra. "He would be camping here for nearly a month. Several Russian officers are also staying in star hotels like Park, Taj Gateway and Novotel," sources said.
    A foreign spy maybe??

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    Post  Sujoy on Mon May 21, 2012 9:02 am

    The Nerpa (an improved Akula-2 class submarine) is designed to attack ships and submarines . I wonder why India did not lease the Delfin submarine as well , that would have allowed India to launch SLBMs at high value targets .

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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 22, 2012 10:02 am

    In many ways the two new types of nuclear subs the Russians will have will be SSGNs and SSBNs, because even their SSNs will have vertical launch tubes making them SSGNs.

    A few SSBNs lurking down near Antarctica would be a very good guaranteed second strike capability that would deter an attack on India from any of her neighbours.

    They could seriously modify the design a bit because the late model Delfins had large structures to carry increasingly large missiles, but India might settle for reduced structure sizes with much smaller missiles.

    India is not bound by any treaty limiting its strategic nuclear capability and its needs are quite different from the needs of the Soviet Union when these vessels were designed, so the chances could be significant.

    They could in fact lease two and use one for a rescue vessel as its nuclear propulsion would mean high underwater speed with a few hydrodynamic refinements that would allow it to go pretty much anywhere quickly... which is fairly important in an emergency vessel. When not urgently needed it can be used for research... which is navy slang for finding places to hide your SSBNs...

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    India to lease 2nd Russian Nuclear submarine

    Post  Viktor on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:49 pm

    India is willing to pay finishing production of another Akula class boat and rent it.



    India can take on lease the second type of submarine "Nerpa"


    Russia handed over in 2012 to lease the same kind of Indian nuclear submarine "Nerpa" ("Chakra") for a term of 10 years for $ 930 million. It is thanks to the financial support of India, this submarine was completed on ASP and then leased to the national navy.


    MOSCOW, March 12 - RIA Novosti. India is ready to finance the completion of the second building nuclear submarines (SSNs) Project 971 (code "Pike-B") at the Amur Shipbuilding Plant (ASP) for use in the national interest of the Navy, told RIA News Tuesday, a senior Russian military-industrial complex (MIC).

    Russia handed over in 2012 to lease the same kind of Indian nuclear submarine "Nerpa" ("Chakra") for a term of 10 years for $ 930 million. It is thanks to the financial support of India, this submarine was completed on ASP and then leased to the national navy.

    "India has expressed interest in the completion of the second boat project. Robust second boat entirely built and in the stocks of the Amur plant. His cherish, preserve," - said the representative of the military industrial complex.

    At the same time, he stressed that the completion of the second submarine to an intergovernmental agreement between India and Russia. "And this issue worked out. As in the first case, we can not go on sale, and leasing," - said the source.

    Comments from India on this matter in the media have not yet been reported.

    Submarine "Nerpa" (K-152, Project 971, Class "Pike-B") refers to the third generation of submarines, it was laid on the Amur shipyard in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in 1991. However, in the mid-1990s, financing the construction of the boat was frozen, completion submarine became possible only after financing from India.

    Displacement submarine is 8140/12770 tons, maximum speed - 30 knots, maximum depth - 600 meters, endurance - 100 days, the crew - 73 people, weapons - four 533-mm torpedo tubes.



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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:16 am

    So much for all the talk about problems with the first boat... now they want another one...

    Don't blame them really... they are nice vessels.

    Of course the role of the modern media seems to be to criticise, which puts into perspective various media reports about the Lada class subs and Su-34 strike aircraft etc etc.


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    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:40 am

    Well the Lada reports are real. The program is obscenely late and has had issues in pretty much every new system.

    The Su-34 issues was just Izvestya making a story out of nothing ( and of course making up some juicy problems as well ) .

    I don't even understand how the Nerpa issues became public. Who the hell thought that is the kind of thing media needs to know?

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    Post  gaurav on Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:04 am

    GarryB wrote:So much for all the talk about problems with the first boat... now they want another one...
    Ha ha ha Laughing
    You have hit the nail on the head.. This is unpredictable India.. at your service..
    India -> You never know what is going on.. Razz It is natural that the procurements of the MOD and
    the 3 defence services..are..
    are confusing sometimes.. to say the least.. Smile

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:23 am

    Well the Lada reports are real.

    Of course they are real problems... and they have been dealt with... that is how the process works... you design something and then test it and then redesign it till it does what you want it to do and then you put it into service and production.

    The Media like to play on the general ignorance of the populace and pretend that somehow these problems are not normal and will make the new product either inferior or ineffective, when the real facts are that every program has problems and the more ambitious programs often have the most problems.

    The program is obscenely late and has had issues in pretty much every new system.

    Unlike which program? The destroyers that should have been sailing by now, we should have had Pak FAs flying a decade ago, flying above T-95s which were so late they were cancelled.

    I would think that by now the delays were understood to be perfectly normal... especially when the new system was replacing a very capable and popular system like a Kilo class sub.

    Actually the worst case of a delayed program would be the bomber to replace the Tu-95 and B-52... in both cases we are still waiting.

    The Su-34 issues was just Izvestya making a story out of nothing ( and of course making up some juicy problems as well ) .

    You are assuming. I would be very surprised if they had no problems with the Su-34.

    I don't even understand how the Nerpa issues became public. Who the hell thought that is the kind of thing media needs to know?

    Nerpa was/is news... I would expect so called journalists would be hovering around like flies on droppings... recording and waiting for the smallest hint or complaint to blow out into a full article.

    This is unpredictable India.. at your service..

    Haggle for 10 years over a 2.5 billion dollar stopgap carrier that was urgently needed... Yep, I'd call them unpredictable... but as a customer you can afford to be picky.

    I suspect despite any problems, real or imagined, they have already worked out that Nerpa is a good design and a useful sub.


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    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:31 am

    PAK-FA has been progressing steadily.
    No sign of major system failures.
    T-95 was a concept, not a production line of tanks. Not to mention, it has been passed on grounds of evolving requirements, not failure.

    Lada has been in construction for YEARS past original dates, and has had major propulsion and sonar systems flat out not work.

    That is a whole seperate level of bad compared to most programs. Let's not make excuses.

    And, the problems being fixed is not a fact either. I don't see construction resuming on the boats...

    Regarding Su-34, there are ails that every bird has when entering service. But Izvestiya flat out invented a MOD investigative group that criticized the plane- and guess what, the MOD called em out on it.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:02 am

    PAK-FA has been progressing steadily.

    If you ignore reports of cracking and the problems with the new engines... Smile

    T-95 was a concept, not a production line of tanks. Not to mention, it has been passed on grounds of evolving requirements, not failure.

    No. T-95 was a tank. Armata is the concept vehicle family.

    The same changing requirements that led to serious changes in the MFI and then MFS and then PAK FA programme, and the cancellation of the T-95 programme are normal and perfectly understandable.

    Fortunately for the Russians neither programme got into production before the design parameters could be changed to meet Russias needs in the 21st C.

    Lada has been in construction for YEARS past original dates, and has had major propulsion and sonar systems flat out not work.

    Hang on now... there were teething troubles with the new sonar which is far more powerful than any other sonar fitted to a nonnuke boat, but the propulsion did not actually fail... they just didn't meet expectations.

    That is a whole seperate level of bad compared to most programs. Let's not make excuses.

    If it was as bad as you claim why would China be interested in them? If it was as bad as you claim why would the Russian navy even accept them?

    And, the problems being fixed is not a fact either. I don't see construction resuming on the boats...

    We have discussed this already... the Lada will go into service as a test vessel for new sub technologies and in 2014 the remaining Lada and a new Lada vessel will be completed as Lada-M with new Li ion batteries and AIP and upgraded propulsion.


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    Post  ricky123 on Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:17 pm

    why akula can stay only 100 days in water ..

    and gary can u tell me which other subs russian or western are better or same as akula ...

    why akula is a good choice ? and what happened to those typhoon class russian subs ?

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:17 pm

    why akula can stay only 100 days in water ..

    It could stay underwater for years, the problem is that the crew has to eat. Most SSNs are limited in their operational duration under water by the amount of food they can carry.

    The nuclear power plant means they have unlimited electricity, so they can use that to get as much breathable air as they want (from the sea water) so they can stay underwater as long as they need to.

    (note 100 days is over 3 months which is a normal time period for a single operational voyage for a vessel of that type.)

    and gary can u tell me which other subs russian or western are better or same as akula ...

    We are actually talking about the Pike-B (Schuka-B), the Akula is called Typhoon in the west and is an SSBN, not an attack sub.

    The Pike-B is comparable to any of the latest attack subs available anywhere... it would give any sub a run for its money.

    why akula is a good choice ? and what happened to those typhoon class russian subs ?

    It is an excellent attack sub that would be very good at recon missions as well as area denial missions... no surface ship would be safe and conventional subs would be greatly inferior too.


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    Post  ricky123 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:06 am

    GarryB wrote:

    We are actually talking about the Pike-B (Schuka-B), the Akula is called Typhoon in the west and is an SSBN, not an attack sub.

    The Pike-B is comparable to any of the latest attack subs available anywhere... it would give any sub a run for its money.

    why akula is a good choice ? and what happened to those typhoon class russian subs ?

    It is an excellent attack sub that would be very good at recon missions as well as area denial missions... no surface ship would be safe and conventional subs would be greatly inferior too.

    so india is getting pikeB sub ?

    u said it is not a attack sub .then u said it is one of the best attack sub ?
    i m confused ...sry can u explain alittle better ?

    also is it correct that india cannot use this sub for attack ? if yes then what r the uses for this sub ?

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:32 am

    For simplicity let's stop using names, and just project numbers.

    The Nerpa that India uses is a project 971 attack submarine. NATO calls it Akula, though its Russian name is Bars (a few other names for the last build variations though).
    The NATO "Typhoon" is the project 941 ballistic missile sub. It's Russian name is Akula.

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    Post  ricky123 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:44 am

    TR1 wrote:For simplicity let's stop using names, and just project numbers.

    The Nerpa that India uses is a project 971 attack submarine. NATO calls it Akula, though its Russian name is Bars (a few other names for the last build variations though).
    The NATO "Typhoon" is the project 941 ballistic missile sub. It's Russian name is Akula.

    okay .. so the project 971 sub can it be used in attack mode or isit only for defense ..cuz i heard some paki news saying so

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:21 am

    What does that even mean, it is an attack sub, it does everything an attack sub does Smile

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:58 am

    That is a problem.

    The peace loving west buys nuclear attack subs for the purpose of defence to keep the peace and stability, but this is an evil Russian sub that can only be used for evil attack, but it is being rented by a peace loving genuine democracy against hated dictatorships and commies (Pakistan and China).

    Nerpa is an SSN... attack submarine nuclear.. it can be used for attack and defence... Its primary role is sinking surface vessels and enemy subs of all types.


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