Russian Liberal Opposition

Backman wrote:Social media is just a symptom.

Social media is the digital equivalent of Plato's Cave. Popstar musicians on Twitter have 50-100 million followers but struggle to go 1x platinum in album sales, and if they were really that popular they would run for president. Whores on Instagram use filters, photoshop and photo-angling to make themselves better looking than they really are (on top of plastic surgery, layers of makeup, weaves, etc.) Youtube and all the rest of the social media networks have pay-to-play politics...meaning if you want to get fake 'popular' then you have to pay serious money to get preferential algorithms, and get countless bot accounts to boost followers, etc. The accounts that they hate, they suppress and censor with negative algorithms, and routinely attack with bot accounts.

I could expound even further on the fraudulent nature of social media if people show increased interest on this forum.

Another version of MI6 caught with their pants down. Same footage. Just different show. This one is better to spread in the English language realm

-what r ur sources? pro-Putin & pro-Trump? how objectve r they?

My best source is simply a critical evaluation of your sources...

If western propaganda wants me to believe A then A is probably a lie.

.-ask Khodorkovsky & few others that fled Russia after crossing Putin. He can do the same to any1 else if they stop paying him & his relatives, like the Czars did before him.

There are always rich and powerful people in every country... they are unavoidable. In this case this dick got greedy and wouldn't pay tax like most greedy rich assholes, and so breaking tax laws of course he fled to the west and told them he loved democracy and Putin hates him so of course he will get big cuddles from the west and they will kiss his boo boo.

Stop paying who? If every rich person in Russia is paying Putin to stay rich why is it that their money is easy to trace... even the illegally gained money, but there is no evidence anywhere of Putins enormous hoard?

Another thing.... Navalny is going ape shit over this supposed palace, yet all the bullshit he caused over this pretend poisoning has led to more western sanctions against NSII which costs a shit load more money than this building he is complaining about. If his bullshit stuffs up the NSII it is going to cost Russia a hell of a lot more than 10 of these palaces that Putin does not own.

.-even if he did, Putin & his clique embezzled a lot more.

You claim, with no evidence.

-don't act the like the judge, jury & executioner. Even if u were a judge, passing a verdict on him would be interfering in RF internal affairs, & NZ doesn't need to get into them.

You mean like the EU who already convicted Putin of personally poisoning the Skripals, and now accusing him of poisoning Navalny, who imposed all sorts of sanctions and kicked various embassy staff out of their countries without trial without evidence without judges or juries...

- no, she's like those E. Germans that didn't go to the FRG & in 1989 leveled the Berlin Wall instead.

Most of whom now probably deeply regret being fools to western propaganda...

.-only a retard would do that in in winter, & Russian made ice cream is better anyway.

That is why they are in the streets chanting for what they want...

Crowds in streets chanting is not democracy anywhere except in the eyes of the western media and only in Russia or North Korea or Iran or China or Venezuela... in a western country like France or the US they are terrorists inciting sedition that should be dealt with accordingly... only in a foreign country do those people have civil rights.

Now that u posted this troll, I have a better idea of how clueless u really r!

I am trolling and clueless talking about democracy not being based on street protests...

.-he's more a threat to himself & his people now.

Of course.... the west wants putin gone because he is not good for Russia or the Russian people... how nice to know they care so much.

But that is also interfering in Russian democracy isn't it...

-he has a female wife, & it's not only about him anymore.

Expert with certain equipment so that it does not matter...

-no, for another reason; as with their other killings, the FSB & by extension Putin wants to have plausible deniability; it they who r fascinated with using poisons.

Why?

The Chechen terrorists they have managed to bump off they have not kept it quiet.

- how do u know that the West did it? I thought u r smarter than believing conspiracy theories by Putin's apologists.

Because they were the only ones who benefited from his death... he was worn out and useless for the west so they used him one last time... it is something they do all the time... ask Iranian generals or Iranian scientists.

-in politics, every1 tells lies when it suits them, but if u can't read between the lines, it's not my problem.

You are not even trying to read between the lines... everything Fox News and CNN and the BBC tell you you believe.

And they say they give all sides of the story... so when was the last time you heard Putins side from those sources.

-but in fact, it was meant to be; who else the FSO & the Border Guards r there for, his distant relatives & buddies? who r they kidding?

Who cares? You already admit his buddies are all rich... are you a moron? Why would you expect rich people not to have mansions and palaces around the place to live in? Do you think they live in trailer parks just for the experience?

- only in ur dreams!

You wish the collapse of Russia... why shouldn't I wish the same for the US?

Normally wouldn't care less but obviously the west is becoming a real threat that will need to be dealt with if it is going to keep this shit up.

-but now many Russians had enough of him to; a coup may happen soon to get rid of him.

Like in Venezuela... break some murderers out of jail in Russia some where and arm them with assault rifles... that is how democracy works isn't it?

-she could care less about staying in the spotlight and getting on the western gravy train, as there's enough local support.

So now you are her agent?

-it's being re-written on the streets now.

If Navalny really is the leader of the opposition where the fuck was he when the constitutional referendum was being held... surely that was when he should have been flexing his huge anti Putin muscles and having an effect. Didn't hear a squeak from the dork.

-could be, but he could still go to UK, Canada or the US & stay there. If he did, his career & presidential aspirations in the RF would be over, & he wouldn't be able to live with that.

So he returned to the country ruled by the man who alledgedly tried to kill him twice... yeah...

Navalny won't be a poodle to any1.

He lives off foreign money... he is a poodle.

- Russia will have a better future w/o Putin, just like w/o Nicolas II, Lenin, Stalin, Khrushev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Gorbachev & Yeltsin, who each were in many ways better than their predecessors.

Hahahahahahaha... so you list Russian leaders and say they got better and better and the last one you mention is Yeltsen?

So Yeltsen was the best.... even with that competition he was no where near the best on that list.

-in fact, the system st up in Russia rapes her people more than any1 else could, short of direct mil. occupation.

Sitting in the US of A, I understand you think you are an expert on Russia, but understand if I don't take your word.

. -yes, if the gov. violates the trust by covering up its oligarchs' plunder,

Which is every government on the planet so far.

& perpetuates it with new constitution that allows the same person to stay in power longer than Brezhnev

Who gives a fuck, only America has that two term bullshit law... that has nothing to do with democracy... what if the people want to elect someone for more than two terms who are you to say they can't?

& uses its controlled media & riot police (which btw don't even have plastic cuffs & has to twist arms, causing injuries) to intimidate, beat, & detain protesters.

Every government uses media and riot police and in the US case the national guard to enforce the law. Some protesters lose eyes and hands in French protests... nobody cares... someone gets kicked in the tum tum and Putin needs to go.

The gov. must be "by the people, for the people", not for Putin (irrespective of his past achievements that u praise so much) or Trump or ur Ardern.

Says you, but why would Russia take any notice of your fucked up country... or mine?

A few thousand people protesting... who gives a shit?

- by keeping ur head in the sand, u got less chance of benefiting from any intelligent discussion; at least an ostrich can provide feathers & run fast.

Intelligent discussion on a CNN article... you must be joking... US propaganda... with extra cheese.

the declining personal incomes, diminishing personal freedoms and the government's handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

Hahahaha... they probably want the right to be shot in the face and lose an eye like french protesters, and be poor like more and more American people struggling to find that well paying second or third job, and the less said about the handling of the coronavirus in the west the better.

But people like to moan even when they can't show or say what should have been done better...

For goodness sake Russia shares a land border with China where the virus supposedly originated from yet their figures are staggeringly better than most western countries thousands of kms away.

Almost sounds like western bullshit reasons being made up.

"20 hours without food, water and sleep": how detainees at the rally in St. Petersburg are sitting in police stations

It should be a year and a half in solitary confinement with threats of being raped by the guards every other day... that is what foreign agents get in US custody isn't it?

The MI6 loving regime change fanboy in this thread keeps saying that violent mobs should overthrow the sitting government because...

declining personal incomes

Lets get this straight. First off, personal incomes always fall in business cycle recessions. But anyway. The reason they fell is because the Ruble lost value. The reason the Ruble lost value is because the Ruble is volatile. The reason the Ruble is volatile even after Russia built its fiscal fortress is because the Russian Ruble is an imperial have-not currency.

Which is to say, the Ruble holds little to no place as a percent of world monetary reserves. It does not have a blue water navy, going around forcing the world to use its currency for commodities and reserves at gunpoint. That's what the imperial 'haves' do. This is why the US UK Australia and Canada can print money and go into debt with abandon. And it never seems to effect them. They do nothing right, and their currencies still hold up easy. Russia does everything right (massive reserves/GDP, minuscule corporate, govt and private debt, high interest rates) and yet the Ruble still gets pushed around pretty easily. The new Russian Ruble is a young currency.

The Ruble isn't even on the chart. The biggest winners are US, Uk, Canada and Australia. And they also live in the biggest unreality. Which comes at the cost of huge economic disequilibrium which is causing the social problems.



Now the regime changer thinks he can "policy" his way into making the Ruble as good as the Canadian dollar so that Russians personal incomes never decline. Well. He's dreaming obviously. No amount of policy is going to make the Ruble as good as the Canadian dollar. No change of government is going to make the Ruble 2% of foreign reserves. It is guaranteed to make it worse.  Russia is still 10x better off than other middle countries like Brazil or Turkey. Thanks to Putins fiscal fortress.

Eventually the Russian Ruble will be put on an even footing with a currency like the Canadian dollar. They just have to wait till this monetary order (Bretton Woods 2) finishes and a new one begins. Which isn't that far off. This is the longest running monetary order since the 1800's. And we all know what they are doing to the USD today. We are waaay overdue for a new monetary order.

GarryB wrote:

-what r ur sources? pro-Putin & pro-Trump? how objectve r they?

My best source is simply a critical evaluation of your sources...
If western propaganda wants me to believe A then A is probably a lie.-why should but r not critical of all propaganda-it's a 2way street. Bias is all over ur posts (with minimal critical thinking where it should be applied, not with personal attacks & syllogysms & exaggerations u r so good at), which must take all sides of a given issue into account.

.-ask Khodorkovsky & few others that fled Russia after crossing Putin. He can do the same to any1 else if they stop paying him & his relatives, like the Czars did before him.

There are always rich and powerful people in every country... they are unavoidable. In this case this dick got greedy and wouldn't pay tax like most greedy rich assholes, and so breaking tax laws of course he fled to the west and told them he loved democracy and Putin hates him so of course he will get big cuddles from the west and they will kiss his boo boo.-he later paid taxes but Putin didn't like his back talk & ruined his life.

Stop paying who? If every rich person in Russia is paying Putin to stay rich why is it that their money is easy to trace... even the illegally gained money, but there is no evidence anywhere of Putins enormous hoard?- not every rich person, & it wasn't easy to trace & took a long time to uncover everything.

Another thing.... Navalny is going ape shit over this supposed palace, yet all the bullshit he caused over this pretend poisoning has led to more western sanctions against NSII which costs a shit load more money than this building he is complaining about. If his bullshit stuffs up the NSII it is going to cost Russia a hell of a lot more than 10 of these palaces that Putin does not own.-they would've  used other pretexts w/o Navalny, the West has many options, so don't blame it on him only.

.-even if he did, Putin & his clique embezzled a lot more.

You claim, with no evidence.- just look at his wristwatches & suits, & he has a lot more in his collection that r worth more than all of his incomes put together. Go over the evidence presented by others- it leaves no reason to think of him as Saint & Savior of Mother Russia. In fact, the cult of personality nurtured by his media propagandists is big red flag in itself.

.-he's more a threat to himself & his people now.

Of course.... the west wants putin gone because he is not good for Russia or the Russian people... how nice to know they care so much.- most Russians want him gone to, for their reasons that were building up for the last 20 years.

But that is also interfering in Russian democracy isn't it...-where is any evidence of Russian democracy? It's as fake as the so-called Indian or SK or Japanese democracies. The only democracy of sorts that ever existed there was in Novgorod that was never occupied by the Mongols & which Moscow brutally crushed.

-no, for another reason; as with their other killings, the FSB & by extension Putin wants to have plausible deniability; it they who r fascinated with using poisons.

Why? The Chechen terrorists they have managed to bump off they have not kept it quiet. -Navalny is too famous now; recall that even mighty Brezhnev's KGB couldn't do much to Solzhenitsyn & Sakharov.

- how do u know that the West did it? I thought u r smarter than believing conspiracy theories by Putin's apologists.

Because they were the only ones who benefited from his death... he was worn out and useless for the west so they used him one last time... it is something they do all the time... ask Iranian generals or Iranian scientists.- by the same token, Putin would benefit a lot more from his death & from blaming it on the West or anti-Kadyrov Chechens.

-in politics, every1 tells lies when it suits them, but if u can't read between the lines, it's not my problem.

You are not even trying to read between the lines... everything Fox News and CNN and the BBC tell you you believe.- I don't watch Fox; & don't believe everything the other 2 say.
And they say they give all sides of the story... so when was the last time you heard Putins side from those sources.-they r not his media; that I watch too & lately got tired of it-seeing how they twist the facts & whitewash the regime. It reminds me of the siege mentality of the Soviet leaders that saw a CIA spy under their beds.  

-but in fact, it was meant to be; who else the FSO & the Border Guards r there for, his distant relatives & buddies? who r they kidding?

Who cares? You already admit his buddies are all rich... are you a moron? Why would you expect rich people not to have mansions and palaces around the place to live in? -the Russians care, it's their $ that were wasted on it, + the tax $ used to guard that palace with FSO- if it's oligarchs to enjoy, then they should pay for it.

- only in ur dreams!

You wish the collapse of Russia... why shouldn't I wish the same for the US? -Russia won't collapse w/o Putin, get that idea out of ur head!

Normally wouldn't care less but obviously the west is becoming a real threat that will need to be dealt with if it is going to keep this shit up.- so u wish the West to suffer? isn't NZ a part of it? why don't u start a movement to join Russia? It could be a good site to build another big palace for Putin, & where he could enjoy using his yachts & local girls!

-but now many Russians had enough of him to; a coup may happen soon to get rid of him.

Like in Venezuela... break some murderers out of jail in Russia some where and arm them with assault rifles... that is how democracy works isn't it?-if all else fails, the ends justifies the means.

-she could care less about staying in the spotlight and getting on the western gravy train, as there's enough local support.

So now you are her agent?- I don't say things I don't know anything about, & don't need to be an agent to know this.

-it's being re-written on the streets now.

If Navalny really is the leader of the opposition where the fuck was he when the constitutional referendum was being held... surely that was when he should have been flexing his huge anti Putin muscles and having an effect. Didn't hear a squeak from the dork.- r u a political strategist? if so, go earn some $ & donate it to Putin's United Russia Party instead of wasting time on a forum.

-could be, but he could still go to UK, Canada or the US & stay there. If he did, his career & presidential aspirations in the RF would be over, & he wouldn't be able to live with that.

So he returned to the country ruled by the man who allegedly tried to kill him twice... yeah...-a brave thing to do indeed; he also knows that trying to killing him now will cost Putin a lot more than it did before.

Navalny won't be a poodle to any1.

He lives off foreign money... he is a poodle.- no, he now lives in jail, on gov. $. If/when he gets out, he'll have enough $ w/o any from abroad.

- Russia will have a better future w/o Putin, just like w/o Nicolas II, Lenin, Stalin, Khrushev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Gorbachev & Yeltsin, who each were in many ways better than their predecessors.

Hahahahahahaha... so you list Russian leaders and say they got better and better and the last one you mention is Yeltsen? So Yeltsen was the best.... even with that competition he was no where near the best on that list.- every 1 of them had good & bad sides; the people get & keep the kind of leaders they deserve. Today, the Russians deserve some1 different & better than Putin, his FSB, riot police, courts, media & oligarchs have to offer.

-in fact, the system set up in Russia rapes her people more than any1 else could, short of direct mil. occupation.

Sitting in the US of A, I understand you think you are an expert on Russia,..- compared to u, I'm an expert. Learn Russian to be fluent while living there for at least 22 years like I did, & u will become my equal.

-yes, if the gov. violates the trust by covering up its oligarchs' plunder,

Which is every government on the planet so far.- than the Russians r even more justified to replace it.

& perpetuates it with new constitution that allows the same person to stay in power longer than Brezhnev

Who gives a fuck, only America has that two term bullshit law... that has nothing to do with democracy... what if the people want to elect someone for more than two terms who are you to say they can't?-Putin & his advisers were so concerned, they changed the constitution not for his own benefit-that was last on his mind-but to allow his voters the opportunity to exercise democracy; how generous on their part!

& uses its controlled media & riot police (which btw don't even have plastic cuffs & has to twist arms, causing injuries) to intimidate, beat, & detain protesters.

Every government uses media and riot police and in the US case the national guard to enforce the law. Some protesters lose eyes and hands in French protests... nobody cares... someone gets kicked in the tum tum and Putin needs to go.-2 wrongs doesn't make it right; if Putin rule was so good, then his  media and riot police better be more professional & stop defending a lost cause.

The gov. must be "by the people, for the people", not for Putin (irrespective of his past achievements that u praise so much) or Trump or ur Ardern.

Says you, but why would Russia take any notice of your fucked up country... or mine? A few thousand people protesting... who gives a shit?- it'll be Ms as time goes by & more people take a stand in their future. Who r u to claim that Putin is the best for Russia till 2024 or 2036? Those who live there could care less what GB or any1 else says on this English language forum.

the declining personal incomes, diminishing personal freedoms and the government's handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

Hahahaha... they probably want the right to be shot in the face and lose an eye like french protesters, and be poor like more and more American people struggling to find that well paying second or third job, and the less said about the handling of the coronavirus in the west the better.- it's their fight, not French or American, & whom their ancestors defeated & kicked out in 1812 & 1918-19.

"20 hours without food, water and sleep": how detainees at the rally in St. Petersburg are sitting in police stations

It should be a year and a half in solitary confinement with threats of being raped by the guards every other day... that is what foreign agents get in US custody isn't it?

they r not foreign agents; most r not for Navalny, but for Russia w/o Putin junta telling them how to live & treating them like subjects w/o any real rights.
Alexey Navalny - How the Main Oppositionist of Russia Lives and How Much He Earns

Navalny's affairs. For what the said citizen was tried and tried

Backman wrote:Another version of MI6 caught with their pants down. Same footage. Just different show. This one is better to spread in the English language realm

This video needs in be in many different languages and Russian media needs to run this 24/7 in Russian of course.

Like I said before, I think, this is a FSB operation. This is a good opportunity to expose this piss drinker and ban crap that needs to be banned.

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flamming_python wrote:Sorry, don't recall that.

But I do recall Gorbie and Yeltsin were top dogs of the communist party. Maybe being or not being communist is fluid and a matter of opinion like gender these days, but for me it was the commies that destroyed the country in the most abject way.

Yeltsin was a traitor who betrayed not so much the rotten party, but his own country (the USSR), and dissolved it to destroy his opponents and enrich his allies. Granted by the time that happened, there wasn't all that much left to save, so much had the situation gone down the drain.

And Gorby was just an idiot.

This whole situation was not brought about by socialism, or its failings - and there were certainly plenty of things wrong with the country.
But the situation was brought about by attempting to destroy socialism, privatize everything, gain a leg up on political opponents, or fan nationalism to rule your own little fiefdom instead. It's a counter-revolution therefore, it's not something you can blame on the backers of communism.

I am puzzled about that "they", do you mean the communists turned oligarchs that ruled your country in the 90's and that to this day keep harming Russia and trying to sell it to the West at every turn, or the ones that fought and defeated them?

Who fought and defeated them?

Most of them are still right there. Putin serves a chairman and arbitrer of sorts, not an absolute ruler, between all these clans, between the liberal circle and between the security agency types.

The Khodorkovsky types were the only ones sidelined, but only because they weren't ready to accept the new order and them having to subordinate some of their own personal interests to the collective one; which is national bourgeois rule, or national oligarchy; very much justified given Russia's potential and natural resources, and some Yukos scam-contracts and PSA's where most of the profit went to Western multinationals were too much for Russia's elite to continue to accept

In reality this of yours is just a very, very dumbed down misrepresentation of the complex currents inside of any state. The traitors and scum that were filling every gap in the Russian state have steadily been weakened until even Chuvais has been turned into furniture and put in a place where he can do no harm. This chess game shows statesmanship and long term strategic thinking of the highest order being displayed for you but you don't get it. The objective results of these years point rather to you inability to understand, rather than the incompetence of the people in command. Most of us have to endure spineless politicians shamelessly robbing us and you complain of one of the very few ones in this world which is successfully building up sovereignty instead of destroying it at every turn, you would indeed enjoy living in the West man...

It's fact it's you who is naive. The pro-Western wing has mostly been going out of fashion, but mainly because of the West's policies themselves. But still Putin & co. offered them renewed co-operation at every turn. And it's only very recently that he signed an executive order on govt. officials not being able to own property abroad.
Putin had been talking about joining the EU 15 years back.
This whole turn towards import-substitution, investing into Russia and forming the country's own power base - is something that was done reluctantly.

I agree that the most insidious elements were sidelined and the Russian state made a turn towards revival back in the 2000s, this was a matter of necessity; but the same people that did this were among the same bunch that destroyed the old system in the first place and profited.

Yes, let us help the West finish off Russia so we can have our unhinged utopian dreams turn nightmare, once again. Your inability to understand what a state is and how it works is really appalling, sorry for having to say it.

I'm not asking for the West's help and I don't intend to help it either

I realize the game, I realize what their goals are, under no circumstances am I intending to play into anyone's platform or act as a puppet.
If I say there's an opportunity, then that's what I see - but only with the intent of building a 3rd force and hijacking the existing 'opposition'.
I also realize that a broken-down post revolution state no matter who it's ruled by, would be the end of Russia; so I only advocate political action as a means of popularizing demands amongst the masses and pressuring the elites for reform; and that can be the maximum extent any sort of socialist movement should be ready to go to at present.

A perfectly reasonable tactic really. When the Bolsheviks sent volunteers to the Russian army during WW1, they weren't doing it with the intention of helping the war effort, they were doing it with the intention of gauging dissent within the ranks and when the time was right, reap it and agitate to convert others to their cause.

Nope, I see only further negative trends in terms of laws, legislation, the social course of the country.

I can't really be bothered to list everything.

In the civilized world one small part of the society thinks and organizes and the other big one, works and takes orders. It is crap but it is like that, due to the intrinsic nature of our society. You at least are lucky that you have a president that is a decent bloke with genuine concern for the people, and not a psychopathic whore like most so called politicians in the West.

Well that's all it comes down to isn't

It's crap, but everyone else does it too
Propaganda's crap, but everyone does it
Rising income inequality is crap, but it's the same around the world isn't it
New economic ideas being sidelined for ruling clan interests are crap, but look at everyone else

There comes a time though when you say World and it's practices be damned, I want things to change in my own country.

It is Life of Brian type of clashes between leftists over and over on all countries, all of the time. And it proves two very, very relevant shortcomings that disable these people as proper statesmen: lack of capacity to integrate humans even at a very basic level, and crippling dogmatism. They can only make noise, not produce any workable state policy.

No it's just a bought-out party which forwarded an oligarch for presidency as their candidate last elections and brings forth no new ideas, no new theories, nor any strategy for mobilizing support from masses of ordinary people. And not by accident.

Backman wrote:The MI6 loving regime change fanboy in this thread keeps saying that violent mobs should overthrow the sitting government because...

declining personal incomes

Lets get this straight. First off, personal incomes always fall in business cycle recessions. But anyway. The reason they fell is because the Ruble lost value. The reason the Ruble lost value is because the Ruble is volatile. The reason the Ruble is volatile even after Russia built its fiscal fortress is because the Russian Ruble is an imperial have-not currency.

Which is to say, the Ruble holds little to no place as a percent of world monetary reserves. It does not have a blue water navy, going around forcing the world to use its currency for commodities and reserves at gunpoint. That's what the imperial 'haves' do. This is why the US UK Australia and Canada can print money and go into debt with abandon. And it never seems to effect them. They do nothing right, and their currencies still hold up easy. Russia does everything right (massive reserves/GDP, minuscule corporate, govt and private debt, high interest rates) and yet the Ruble still gets pushed around pretty easily. The new Russian Ruble is a young currency.

The Ruble isn't even on the chart. The biggest winners are US, Uk, Canada and Australia. And they also live in the biggest unreality. Which comes at the cost of huge economic disequilibrium which is causing the social problems.



Now the regime changer thinks he can "policy" his way into making the Ruble as good as the Canadian dollar so that Russians personal incomes never decline. Well. He's dreaming obviously. No amount of policy is going to make the Ruble as good as the Canadian dollar. No change of government is going to make the Ruble 2% of foreign reserves. It is guaranteed to make it worse.  Russia is still 10x better off than other middle countries like Brazil or Turkey. Thanks to Putins fiscal fortress.

Eventually the Russian Ruble will be put on an even footing with a currency like the Canadian dollar. They just have to wait till this monetary order (Bretton Woods 2) finishes and a new one begins. Which isn't that far off. This is the longest running monetary order since the 1800's. And we all know what they are doing to the USD today. We are waaay overdue for a new monetary order.

Solid post.

Epic video by the FSB, there is really nothing to add after that  

flamming_python wrote:Yeltsin was a traitor who betrayed ...
And Gorby was just an idiot.

They were top ranking communist leaders and there were many others in the party as bad or worse than them. Stop with the excuses. The same way you excuse comminists we can excuse any other ideology or form of government's failures as exceptional. This is the matter delusion is made of, the same way the yankis say any mischief on their account is an exception or an error, no matter if they are constant and systemic. And better even, is the proof that communism as a form of government is equally as vulnerable to being infiltrated by filth as any other and therefore not a superior organizational choice.

Who fought and defeated them?

Military and KGB mainly

Most of them are still right there. Putin serves a chairman and arbitrer of sorts, not an absolute ruler, between all these clans, between the liberal circle and between the security agency types.

Yes I am aware and not at all surprised that Putin is a realist guy that knows the extent of his strength and uses it properly, that is the reason why he is successful where countless arrogant idiots fail.

The Khodorkovsky types were the only ones sidelined, but only because they weren't ready to accept the new order and them having to subordinate some of their own personal interests to the collective one; which is national bourgeois rule, or national oligarchy; very much justified given Russia's potential and natural resources, and some Yukos scam-contracts and PSA's where most of the profit went to Western multinationals were too much for Russia's elite to continue to accept

That is quite ok, unless you are cripplingly deluded, you understand elites are necessary, so you do not want to exterminate them but get them to play their role in society. Unsurprisingly, it worked, again, where commies and their allergies and hatred failed. For being "scientific", they are remarkably irrational and ill adapted to reality.

It's fact it's you who is naive. The pro-Western wing has mostly been going out of fashion, but mainly because of the West's policies themselves. But still Putin & co. offered them renewed co-operation at every turn. And it's only very recently that he signed an executive order on govt. officials not being able to own property abroad.
Putin had been talking about joining the EU 15 years back.
This whole turn towards import-substitution, investing into Russia and forming the country's own power base - is something that was done reluctantly.

That is only result of your uninformed view. Since the very beginning of the Putin government the actions of the West have been very clear to them (involvement in Chechenia for instance) and way before that people in the security apparatus know with closed eyes how the game is played. That is why Russia for instance started developing new weapons immediately after US ditched ABM, instead of waiting and waiting for some crumbles to fall from the master's table. That is why now the security of your country is guaranteed, because there were professional people reading transparently the intentions of the West behind their wall of lies. Searching for a reasonable, workable relationship with the West is and will remain the goal and the sustainable policy, nothing wrong with that. Measuring the own power and only using it when it assures victory is also critical, in Putin's case this means frequently allowing the situations to deteriorate to the point it is not about him imposing his will, but literally about everybody claiming for him to act (case in point, an oligarch humiliated by Putin like Deripaska calling for a potential ally like Navalny to go to jail). Again, you failing to make sense of the actions of the Russian government in these years just makes clear that you do not understand how the game is played. Which is normal, because they are professionals and you are not.

I agree that the most insidious elements were sidelined and the Russian state made a turn towards revival back in the 2000s, this was a matter of necessity; but the same people that did this were among the same bunch that destroyed the old system in the first place and profited.

That is why an ideologue would have failed where Putin has succeed, because he managed to put most of those powerful people on his side and just needed to cull a tiny minority of them, those which were irredeemable. He gave a second opportunity to those guys and many understood what role they had to play in order to preserve themselves and their country. It is not because of holiness that a society sticks together, but because of properly aligned interests.

I'm not asking for the West's help and I don't intend to help it either

Yes you are, because you are allying with them, the enemy of you country. An enemy which BTW has much more money, power and cunning than yourself and will use you the same you try to use them.

I realize the game, I realize what their goals are, under no circumstances am I intending to play into anyone's platform or act as a puppet.

If you turn their otherwise irrelevant insurgence into a success, you are de facto being their pawn.

If I say there's an opportunity, then that's what I see - but only with the intent of building a 3rd force and hijacking the existing 'opposition'.

Intention is not the same as power and knowledge, these guys are professionals from dozens of colour revolutions with state-level backing, how do you think you are going to outpower them just because of your smarts?

I also realize that a broken-down post revolution state no matter who it's ruled by, would be the end of Russia; so I only advocate political action as a means of popularizing demands amongst the masses and pressuring the elites for reform; and that can be the maximum extent any sort of socialist movement should be ready to go to at present.

Half arsed revolution is better than full blown destruction of the country, I give that to you, but probably other commies would hang you for saying that. Still rocking the boat is counterproductive when you have an effective patriotic government battling it out with the West in the opening acts of a world war.

A perfectly reasonable tactic really. When the Bolsheviks sent volunteers to the Russian army during WW1, they weren't doing it with the intention of helping the war effort, they were doing it with the intention of gauging dissent within the ranks and when the time was right, reap it and agitate to convert others to their cause.

Yeah I know they had always been treacherous scum

I can't really be bothered to list everything.

I was just asking for one or two examples.

Well that's all it comes down to isn't

It's crap, but everyone else does it too
Propaganda's crap, but everyone does it
Rising income inequality is crap, but it's the same around the world isn't it
New economic ideas being sidelined for ruling clan interests are crap, but look at everyone else

There comes a time though when you say World and it's practices be damned, I want things to change in my own country.

States are not there to provide freedom and happiness to everyone but to protect you from a bastard that would happily cut your throat and steal what you have, I thought Russians had learned that one the hard way by now. Either you raise your game to the point you manage to fend off your rivals or they will use you as their bitch. That is the reality of international relationships that dictates the way countries work, you can think about freedom and human rights if you so wish, but you will fail to make sense of anything.

No it's just a bought-out party which forwarded an oligarch for presidency as their candidate last elections and brings forth no new ideas, no new theories, nor any strategy for mobilizing support from masses of ordinary people. And not by accident.

That would be a smart move by Putin, if that is what you suggest.

-why should but r not critical of all propaganda-it's a 2way street.

There is good propaganda and bad propaganda.

Good propaganda is get vaccinated and wear your seat belt and wear a life jacket when on a boat or in water.

Bad propaganda is... you have a competent leader who is denying use cheap and easy money to be made asset stripping your country and screwing its people over like we have done with so many countries before.

Bias is all over ur posts (with minimal critical thinking where it should be applied, not with personal attacks & syllogysms & exaggerations u r so good at), which must take all sides of a given issue into account.

So you are saying I should give Nazis a fair go because maybe I just don't understand what their real message is. Maybe the KKK are just people who want to be loved and cuddled and are misunderstood too...

-he later paid taxes but Putin didn't like his back talk & ruined his life.

So eventually he did what everyone else gets very little choice in doing and followed the law and being a criminal made things tough for him... well that is a surprise.... breaking the law, becoming a criminal, and then suffering for that... isn't that how the real world works?

The shock and horror is that this is not what happens in the west... money protects such people from such consequences... they really have to piss off the wrong person to get in prison... ask Epstein... ahh, no you can't because the people in the west he clearly pissed off had him killed... they don't really talk much about that case do they... the occasional article on people who knew him and probably indulged on his sex islands.... you will notice the western media barely mention Bill Clinton... he would be stuck on Epstein like a fly on shit I would think but nothing seems to be sticking... perhaps the fact that Epstein got whacked is making real investigative journalists in the US look the other way.

- not every rich person, & it wasn't easy to trace & took a long time to uncover everything.

But Putin is the boss... he is in charge... he is murdering people in the UK with military grade nerve agents and interfering in elections around the world for the last 10 years at least... surely anyone who made any money in Russia would need to pay tribute to the boss... that is how such things work don't you know...

.-they would've used other pretexts w/o Navalny, the West has many options, so don't blame it on him only.

He is one of many tools but he is certainly a tool. The guy made his money in minority shareholdings... buy one percent of a company and just complain and make noise and agitate and bitch and moan and make all sorts of demands... eventually they pay you out and you make good money... he is a grifter not a worker... he doesn't want to put in the hard work of making a real political party... it takes too much time and is much too much work.... some would say honest work but that would be a stretch. He is going to agitate here too to annoy Putin and get money from the west and then he will disappear... either the west will martyr him or he will get what he wants and disappear and enjoy his ill gotten gains.

Putin knows he is no threat but he brings other idiots out of the woodwork, and I am sure they are recording names and faces and links to the west...

He is a useful idiot ironically.

But considered such by both sides I suspect.

.- just look at his wristwatches & suits, & he has a lot more in his collection that r worth more than all of his incomes put together.

What makes you think they are his. Even the most basic TV programme has a wardrobe section that dresses everyone in appropriate costumes.... do you think presidents have to dress themselves?

They have people writing their speeches... is it so hard to believe they might have a selection of suits and watches to wear.

I would think most watch making companies and suit making companies would want him to wear their product to promote it... not by advertisement as such, but by use... give him a limo... are you going to say the limo is his too? How about the aircraft he flys around in?

- most Russians want him gone to, for their reasons that were building up for the last 20 years.

There was nothing close to 50% of the Russian population at any of those protests... closer to 1%, and it is not clear they were all pro Navalny... I have seen some people who were supporting Putin.

You wont have because western media would never show those.

-where is any evidence of Russian democracy?

Every few years they have a vote for the last 30 odd years. They have more parties and candidates than the US does so more of a democracy than the US... which is not really saying much at all.

The only democracy of sorts that ever existed there was in Novgorod that was never occupied by the Mongols & which Moscow brutally crushed.

Well if that is the only democracy that ever existed then can we stop wasting time talking about such shit.

Western so called democracies have used their money and power and secret services to undermine more real democracies than those pretending to be democracies that make up the west.

They effectively made it a dirty word.

-Navalny is too famous now; recall that even mighty Brezhnev's KGB couldn't do much to Solzhenitsyn & Sakharov.

Surely his fame is what makes him worth killing, because murdering him would be a statement to all of Putins enemies that no one is safe... or are you trying to say Putin is too scared to kill him now that his poisoned underpants scheme has failed...

- by the same token, Putin would benefit a lot more from his death & from blaming it on the West or anti-Kadyrov Chechens.

Benefit in what way? With him dead the west wont stop doing what they are doing... they will just pick another idiot to focus on. He is not popular enough in Russia to care about either. I would think he would get half the pro commie voters to vote for him if he did have Navalny killed because they think Putin is too soft.

- I don't watch Fox; & don't believe everything the other 2 say.

You post shit from CNN, and most of the other crap is on Fox and the BBC too... they just copy and paste the same crap in a big whirlpool of shit.

Anti Putin... we will post it...

-they r not his media;

So medias job is to push an agenda and they are not responsible for telling anyone elses story... get your own new network.

So why do you blame RT and Sputnik for being Putins mouthpieces... isn't that just him having his say... or as president of Russia he is not allowed a voice?

-the Russians care, it's their $ that were wasted on it, + the tax $ used to guard that palace with FSO- if it's oligarchs to enjoy, then they should pay for it.

What taxpayers money... they have been wrong about everything so far, why do you think they might be right about the funding?

-Russia won't collapse w/o Putin, get that idea out of ur head!

The west is hoping for that... expecting that... that is why they push so hard against him...

- so u wish the West to suffer?

Ask people from Libya who are suffering for what... honestly we really don't know... the west on a whim broke the most wealthy and prosperous country in Africa... for a bit of fun.

Ask the people of Syria.... ten years of civil war because the west decided Assad should go. They have funded an enormous assortment of terrorist groups most of which couldn't run a corner store let alone a country, but obviously they did this for peace and love and democracy and for the Syrian people... mainly so they can build a gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe... look at what they did in Iraq... afghanistan, Iran... Yemen, Venezuela, Bolivia, the list is enormous showing country after country destroyed... poverty and misery... perhaps if some of it reached the west they might wake up, but Turkey and Libya allowing migrants into europe for the first time in a long time and what a shock... but the EU didn't deal with it... they let the countries that were first point of entry deal with the problem it was everyone for themselves and I will look after my own problems.

the west has forgotten what real suffering is, yet deals it out on a day to day basis... yes... the west does need to suffer.

isn't NZ a part of it?

Yeah, but being at the arse end of the world and not on the best terms with the US we do have a bit of leeway... you will notice we are rather more diplomatic in our conversations with China... it is simply about respect... something most of the west has forgotten sadly.

It could be a good site to build another big palace for Putin, & where he could enjoy using his yachts & local girls!

He deserves a better palace than we could afford to build him.

-if all else fails, the ends justifies the means.

So murdering everyone in the west to get peace will be worth it... OK... sounds like a plan.

- r u a political strategist? if so, go earn some $ & donate it to Putin's United Russia Party instead of wasting time on a forum.

Have I upset you?

-a brave thing to do indeed;

Well he knows the poisoning bullshit was all bullshit so there was no risk at all... he knew he broke the rules and he knew he was going to jail and the protests at his arrest were planned before he arrived.
I believe the word is traitor.

he also knows that trying to killing him now will cost Putin a lot more than it did before.

He knows Putin knows he is not worth a bullet. People die in custody all the time... and get raped too...

- no, he now lives in jail, on gov. $. If/when he gets out, he'll have enough $ w/o any from abroad.

Hopefully the penalties for his new crimes can be financial. It makes more sense to take money from this idiot and set him free than waste a prison cell for this moron and give him time to write a book or some such crap.

Today, the Russians deserve some1 different & better than Putin, his FSB, riot police, courts, media & oligarchs have to offer.

Putin is just the head. When Putin leaves the FSB and police and courts and media and rich people will remain the same... they don't change... in Russia and in the US and everywhere else.

- than the Russians r even more justified to replace it.

There is no leader that any country country can replace to fix it. Sometimes big business bribe both parties so it doesn't matter which one wins...

-Putin & his advisers were so concerned, they changed the constitution not for his own benefit-that was last on his mind-but to allow his voters the opportunity to exercise democracy; how generous on their part!

Russia has had almost 30 years experience with that American written bullshit constitution... I am surprised and a little disappointed they didn't change it sooner and rather more radically.

-2 wrongs doesn't make it right;

That is the opposite of the ends justify the means...

if Putin rule was so good, then his media and riot police better be more professional & stop defending a lost cause.

If putin is so bad he will be replaced next election. Countries that use protesters funded by the US and UK and EU like Venezuela and the Ukraine are coups and have nothing to do with democracy... but what would the west know about democracy, and why would it start caring about democracy now?

- it'll be Ms as time goes by & more people take a stand in their future.

Navalny isn't their future... he doesn't even want to be. But you are right... it will be morons as time goes by and more people take a stand for their future.

Who r u to claim that Putin is the best for Russia till 2024 or 2036?

Someone in the west who has taken an interest in Russia over these last few decades and seen what a miracle Putin has achieved in a relatively short space of time. He has turned his country around to the point where the west cannot touch them any more and they make most of their own stuff including food and other essentials... not actually something most of the countries higher on the rich list can claim...

Those who live there could care less what GB or any1 else says on this English language forum.

But they should listen to you?

- it's their fight, not French or American, & whom their ancestors defeated & kicked out in 1812 & 1918-19.

You are claiming the Russian police are barbaric, and I am making the point that vastly more people got killed in the US and France than protesting in Russia... or Hong Kong for that matter, yet you look at the unbiased western coverage and you would think Putin and Xi are having random people murdered in the street and there is nothing happening in the west at all.

That is healthy. That is a person looking at real problems and trying to find real solutions. Things are obviously going to get better if the media just ignores it and inflates nothing things happening in Russia and Hong Kong out of proportion and saying that is much worse than anything happening in the west.

I believe someone mentioned an Ostrich... I think I have mentioned projection... the west blaming everyone else for the things happening in the west... how much US government bribe money went into Epsteins sex island for instance... no mention of underage girls regarding Putin... perhaps it is only a matter of time.

And Gorby was just an idiot.

I would call both Yeltsen and Gorby clowns... they thought the west loved them and teh west certainly loved them more than the Soviet and Russian citizens ever could... they entertained the west thinking the rewards would be worth something... turns out they weren't.

The west was after anything and everything it could get... they were expecting a fair deal and to be treated with respect... which of course didn't happen.

Look at the EU over a British vaccine company... brutal.

It's a counter-revolution therefore, it's not something you can blame on the backers of communism.

In the west any mention of communism and they think stalin and gulags... which of course ignores current gulags in Guantanimo operated by the US.

They totally forget that China is communist... there is leeway in how it is applied just like any system... ironically the best implimentation of communism would be Star Trek, where money is essentially meaningless and food and energy seem to be free and available to everyone who wants it... no companies...

Who fought and defeated them?

Most of them are still right there. Putin serves a chairman and arbitrer of sorts, not an absolute ruler, between all these clans, between the liberal circle and between the security agency types.

Getting rid of rich people is like trying to get rid of poor people.

I think the best compromise is to get society to the point where being poor means you just have your primary home and the holiday house and the two cars each and food to eat and a job.

There comes a time though when you say World and it's practices be damned, I want things to change in my own country.

Russia needs to stop looking at the west with google eyes thinking they are somehow more cultured or special or better. In most ways they are much worse, they have very high moral standards which they hold everyone else to but themselves.

Riots in the streets of Russia means Putins evil regime must go.

Riots in the streets of the west are holigans and terrorists and somehow Putin is probably to blame... Putins evil regime must go.

They are consistent... but they are certainly also wrong.

LMFS wrote:
People in the West have their heads so far down their arses that they cannot think anymore even in the most basic level, it is really disturbing since that means pretty much anyone out there believes the cringe-worthy, suicidal propaganda currently produced, no questions asked. I think this is reaching mass proportions of clinical insanity and is going to make the complete collapse of the West pretty much unavoidable

This is nonsensical zero sum economic thinking. The right kind of immigrants increase the country's economic capacity - they don't steal from a finite supply of jobs. Have all the Asian and Indian high tech workers in Silicon Valley "stolen" jobs from average Americans? No, they have become the engine pulling the whole train

This is insufferable civnat boomertalk. The engine pulling the train, are you frigging kidding me? The only train cheap H1B1 visa hirees and their Chinese cousins are pulling is the train that leads to the financial destruction of anyone below 35 - emphasis on Heritage America.

People over a certain age do not understand how globalism has ruined the USA because they simply do not want to hear it- nor have they experienced it themselves. Young Americans (often with student loans over 50k) are competing with H1Bs who are willing to work for minimum wage. Competing with people in China for manufacturing, they make at best 2 dollars an hour. Competing with illegals for labour jobs, and they don't ask for insurance or healthcare or even minimum wage.

Globalization has been a death sentence for the younger generation in the West, but boomers use it as an opportunity to toot their own horn.

So I saw another propaganda piece today from CBC covering Navalnus' court appearance and saw this:

More than a dozen Western diplomats attended Tuesday's court hearing, and Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Maria Zakharova charged that their presence was part of efforts by the West to contain Russia, adding that it could be an attempt to exert "psychological pressure" on the judge.

So.. why are these so-called "Diplomats" even allowed to spectate in court hearings in Russia? Why is the presence of Foreigners even allowed in a courthouse that is doing proceedings of a domestic case? Something here is not right

PhSt wrote:
So I saw another propaganda piece today from CBC covering Navalnus' court appearance and saw this:

More than a dozen Western diplomats attended Tuesday's court hearing, and Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Maria Zakharova charged that their presence was part of efforts by the West to contain Russia, adding that it could be an attempt to exert "psychological pressure" on the judge.

So.. why are these so-called "Diplomats" even allowed to spectate in court hearings in Russia? Why is the presence of Foreigners even allowed in a courthouse that is doing proceedings of a domestic case? Something here is not right

You see, if a trial is open, you can't prevent the presence of those who wish to attend it. In Russia, it works like this. In addition, the entire court session today was broadcast live online - everyone could follow the proceedings.

terrible totalitarianism.

Okay, Mr. "Berlin patient" Navalny is serving 3.5 years behind bars. With the offset of the sentence already served, the term was reduced to 2.5 years.



...and then Alexey realized that he no longer liked being an opposition politician.

Okay, Mr. "Berlin patient" Navalny is serving 3.5 years behind bars. With the offset of the sentence already served, the term was reduced to 2.5 years.

I wish he had been sentenced far longer than that, I have a feeling he and his sponsors will try to cause trouble in the upcoming 2024 presidential elections

PhSt wrote:

Okay, Mr. "Berlin patient" Navalny is serving 3.5 years behind bars. With the offset of the sentence already served, the term was reduced to 2.5 years.

I wish he had been sentenced far longer than that, I have a feeling he and his sponsors will try to cause trouble in the upcoming 2024 presidential elections

At least, we can now say that during this period, at least Navalny will be alive.

What is the best results for this piss drinker on the court hearings?

Scorpius wrote:

PhSt wrote:

Okay, Mr. "Berlin patient" Navalny is serving 3.5 years behind bars. With the offset of the sentence already served, the term was reduced to 2.5 years.

I wish he had been sentenced far longer than that, I have a feeling he and his sponsors will try to cause trouble in the upcoming 2024 presidential elections

At least, we can now say that during this period, at least Navalny will be alive.

I am willing to bet that Navalnus will be Assassinated by his NATzO patrons sometime before election day in 2024 to provoke more outcry against Putin.

As far as Navalny goes , Russia will be tarred no matter what it does. They should have given him the whole 3.5 years at least. They will get zero humanitarian points by bringing it down to 2.5 years.

They should just give him the Assange treatment.

The FSB should follow his every move. It would be a huge coup to catch the NATO secret services assassinating him.

This is how weak and soft are putin's Russia ,with foreign enemies seeking to destroy
their country from the inside.

Alexey Navalny jailed for over 2.5 years as Moscow Court says he violated terms of suspended sentence in 'Yves Rocher' fraud case

Russian opposition figure Alexey Navalny will serve two years and almost eight months in prison after being found guilty of breaking the terms of a suspended sentence, handed down for an embezzlement case in 2014.
On Tuesday, Moscow City Court ruled that Navalny had failed to regularly report to the Federal Penitentiary Service (FSIN), and his excuse for non-appearance was deemed insufficient. Therefore, the judge decided that the suspended judgment should be converted into a real one.

The anti-corruption activist was originally sentenced in 2014 to three-and-a-half years, but he has already served close to ten months under house arrest.

this is the big problem with incompetent Russia government , is extremely weak with their western
paid agents . Navalny got just 10 months under house arrest..   with internet and all the comfort of his home and his wife , to continue promoting civil unrest.

I really think the one that need to be arrested is Putin for being so incredibly weak and incompetent ,
and allowing all this western paid CIA bots to recruit in Russia traitors to destabilize the nation. You kick the president from power and replace him for Vladimir Zhirinovsky and things the western paid terrorist will run away from the country , and this navalny movement disappear forever.  And if Peter the Great was president ,he will not give a shit of the western public opinion and hang navalny in public as a message for all enemies.  although i will not recommend going that way , that idiot and his criminal wife , need to be used as an example and given real long sentences in a cold dungeon that sun light never is seen and use it as an example for all other traitors.. also arrest everyone who joined his organization and participated .  Russia already have a terrible experience with traitors and if history teach anything with them is that when you are Putin/when you are incredibly weak with foreign paid traitors that seek to damage and disband the country ,that will encourage them to continue with their criminal activities. again and again.

Look no further that what the master of the idiot ,President putin did with the yukos corruption case.
the imbecile gave Mikhail Khodorkovsky , one of the oligarch who raped russia economy a pardon as he claimed "for humanitarian reasons" , and as soon he leave jail , he flee to the west next day and began a lawsuit in an international court for 50 BILLION DOLLARS !!!  , a lawsuit that have given pain to Putin government.. and even russian assets in Europe confiscated temporarily.  

Basically putin have the idea that he can influence people with weakness ,with soft bullshit politeness
and courtesy , and this is incredibly retarded. it might work with weak people at times ,but not with rude and criminals. that will only see putin's teddy bear weak politics as what it is , insecurity of putin and will naturally take advantage of it.  in china nobody will dare to do what navalny or Mikhail Khodorkovsky have done and will remain in jail fore lifetime. china is not weak with mainland citizens
that violates their laws and they know are foreign agents ,and so people do respect laws in china . thanks to china very strong security and absolute intolerance for traitors , people don't dare to join any criminal group to damage the nation .Even radical separatist muslim in china are put in their place and are not allowed to create separate territories in china.. as putin allowed that other 5th column , that is now a president inside russia on his republic in chechenia. To say that the world most populated country is one of the safest ones in the world with the lowest crime rate and is the safest one for civilians to walk at night is not a small thing.  russia is more comparable to hong kong , that you saw how the autonomous republic influenced by the west , could create a battlefield in the streets and the government was incredibly weak with them.

hong honk protesters could siege their cities ,burn to the ground everything including police stations and shopping malls , they wanted because of their government was under control of weak leaders ,just like putin , and was incredibly soft with those criminals breaking the law.

Pay attention to the Navalny..photo in court, he is  smiling in court.. having fun . He feels totally comfortable playing the dangerous games he is playing . He knows he will be leaving in short time , that he will live a comfortable place and likely with internet ,hot chocolate and daily family visits.. weakness of the russian system and weakness of putin is what encourage all this 5th column  western paid movements to disrespect the nation and get away with it.

just smash his head with a police baton and forced labor 7 days a week , cleaning toilets on prison and that will remove his stupid smile forever when he realize that no longer his games will be tolerated.

Okay, Mr. "Berlin patient" Navalny is serving 3.5 years behind bars. With the offset of the sentence already served, the term was reduced to 2.5 years.

the people who incited the riots in capitol hill in USA , got 25 years prison sentences.. i bet that navalny and his criminal wife ,will not be smiling if they  were given such a long term period in jail , knowing their entire productive life will be behind bars and no amount of money he was paid .  Being weak with foreign paid traitors is a dangerous gamble , specially when the west finance and support them.  putin's is too weak and this is why he can't s top this clowns and their movements ,who return to the streets as soon released.

even the so called "siberian jesus"  ,who created a cult and was 100% peaceful and never killed anyone or stole anything ,never broke any law in 30 years ,never incited a protest ever , it was not a political movement but religious peaceful cult ,got a longer term in jail ,last i saw was 5 years.

so this is the signature of putin's created justice..

-strong versus patriotic people ,who spoke well of the system in russia and respect the political institutions and its laws

-incredibly weak with those seeking to destroy Russia. allow them to escape to the west to enjoy their fortunes.. or if stay at Russia, allow them to continue organizing protest and recruiting and financing opposition to break the nation.

how many want to bet navalny will be released by Putin from jail before he get 2 years .
and will be pardoned? when you have a fail system in place encouraged by a fail president ,you get
this level of disrespect in the country for its institutions.  likely that idiot once he last 10 months in jail with endless visits of family will be moved to house arrest at the comfort of his home. navalny will never stop its attacks on the country order until someone stop him for once ,and close the door of him in jail and throw away the key. when is putin and his government learn that being weak with enemy will never work ?

Todays massive rallies. The western MSM will claim that "thousands were arrested".

Peter the great will be crawling on his tomb , if he knew how weak is putin with foreign paid agents.

Must see: Explosive video exposes MI6 links to Alexei Navalny



About the numbers.. don't judge the effectiveness of an opposition ,by the size of protest.

Ukraine was overthrowed the yakunovych government by just 5,000 strong protesters that never quit for 6 months, Soros paid them $120 a day ,which is a fortune for ukraine currency differences.

the west will not have problems in organizing protest like this or even bigger. last i saw navalny managed to organize up to 50k protest years earlier. The problem , the big big problem continues to be Russia is experiencing a leadership crisis ,that is more visible since the past 7 years since the west declared economic war and sanctions war on russia. Like the saying does.. true leadership is only proven to be good when facing difficult times and putin have proven to be very mediocre at best .

To deal with extraordinary problems , as Russia is facing , an undeclared war by the west. ,you need
extraordinary leadership to deal with that , and putin is not for the job ,of not only saving russia ,but also turning it into a true super power and super economy . which is what russia needs to stop all this
massive exodus of russians from the country , that lost close to 1 million citizens to half a million ,depending on which official report you look ,in just 1 year.

Putin is big part of the problem with this economic stagnation and important divisions happening in
ethnic russian communities . when massive exodus of people abandon their country , this are people that gave up on their hopes for a better future on their motherload.. up to 1 million of russians left their mother country in 2019 alone before the pandemic a report of united nations.  So this is the best kind of poll possible today..  if 1 million left.. there had to be up to 10 millions , or even more thinking about it.   their major destinations are canada ,australia ,latin america and europe or usa.

forget elections..
look at population movements if you want to know for real what is the perception
of society about their government and their hopes for a better future.

lets look what the putin outdated government have achieved ,population perception of how
well he is doing for them.




now lets look at how chinese government have been doing from population point of view.



important to know the graph numbers are a big outdated , the russian government itself admit they lost half a million of citizens in 2019-2020.

Chinese in the other hand are returning to their mother land.. Because their experience is totally
the opposite of russian people , with their outdated government.

This statistics are big deal ,
So as you see a major exodus of russian have began , this is dangerous ,because can exponentially increase ,with any other proxy syrian like war ,that nato push on russia  or economic recession if for example the pipeline is cancelled ,then putin will byte dust , knowing his entire 20  years vision and economic gamble with gas stations have failed miserably, because not only europe can cancel north stream 2 ,but also china not only is moving to solar energy ,and electric cars ,but also discovering oil and natural gas in enough numbers to end their dependence in russia..

so in the next 5 years , russia could be losing 4-5 millions of people ,that will flee their country.
or even up to twice that if a major conflict russia is involved and they face major reccession and the big problem is that those that leave are not the grandmas that depend on their pensions to live,, but young generations of students who leave russia for a better live.. those putin's multibillionaire investment olympics project failed miserably to attract people to live in russia , and to convince people to stay.

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/china/population

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/russia/population