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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:26 am

    GarryB , Lets see on the LMFS.

    My money for future RuAF fleet would be Su-35 . Mig-35 , 20T UCAV and PAK-FA.

    I dont think they would build another LMFS type manned fighter .. not needed really.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:39 pm

    They already have a design for a LMFS... there was the plan for a medium and light fighter with the latter being delayed till the former was ready...

    The quality and ability of UAVs is simply not mature enough to create a modern stealthy multirole light aircraft that is not manned.. Even the US is not ready for that.

    What they need is a smaller, lighter, cheaper plane with stealth characteristics that would fill the role of light numbers aircraft.

    A 20 ton UCAV would be useful for light strike or deep enemy strike, but as a numbers fighter against an enemy equipped with F-35s I don't think UCAVs would cut it...

    We all saw what a Mig-29 can do to a UCAV or UAV and the Predator vs Mig-25 was one sided too.

    I rather suspect the future of the Russian Air Force will be the PAK FA plus Su-34, and the PAK-LFMS entering service and rapidly replacing the Su-35s and Mig-35s. UCAVs will be a totally different story and will be available in numbers, and a replacement for the Su-25SM2 that will not be based on the Yak-130... I suspect it will be equipped with a lot of the sensors and radars and equipment developed for the Ka-52 and Mi-28M.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:44 am

    GarryB , Lets see on the LMFS.

    My money for future RuAF fleet would be Su-35 . Mig-35 , 20T UCAV and PAK-FA.

    I dont think they would build another LMFS type manned fighter .. not needed really.
    Except that the purpose of the LMFS is a numbers aircraft for the swing role of light 5th gen stealthy fighter to clear the skies of enemy non stealth aircraft as it has the advantage of stealth to allow it to do a much better job without costing as much as the PAK FA.

    If your money is on a future force including a mix of 4th and 5th gen fighters then there is no need for developing a LMFS type.

    The purpose behind the LMFS is to get those 4th gen fighters replaced on a near one to one basis with what amounts to basically a minus 5th gen aircraft... is stealth and multirole features of a 5th gen fighter but without the cost and extreme performance.

    They will have shorter range and less payload... especially in stealthy configuration... the payoff is that if the west goes through with F-35 they will have a light fighter that can take it on on equal or slightly better terms because it does not need to take off vertically so its design can be optimised for the role.

    If they don't go ahead with F-35 or produce it in greatly reduced numbers then the new Russian light fighter will mostly be facing non stealthy aircraft... which means with its large aperture radar and long range missiles it can do to the western AFs what the US planned to do with the F-22... fly high and fast and shoot from long range with good chances of kills at little to no risk.

    When stealth is not needed external fuel and weapons should allow an enormous increase in performance in terms of range and ability to take on a range of targets. External weapon storage will of course reduce stealth to the point where it is not stealthy and also reduce flight speed but newer weapons will be more accurate and more powerful and longer ranged etc etc

    In fact you could design the aircraft so that external stores can carry fuel tanks and very long range weapons to increase operational radius and kill potential but once used up leave the aircraft stealthy again with a combat load of air to air weapons to allow them to provide top cover for aircraft coming in later which would be vulnerable due to the loss of surprise.
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    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:51 am

    With the prospect of a half-century ahead


    On the basis of Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Central Aero-Hydrodynamic Institute named after professor NE Zhukovsky, "Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov held a working meeting on the establishment of aviation equipment and armament of the new generation.

    As is known, in accordance with the state armament program for the period up to 2020 to be a radical renewal of the Air Force.- The main priorities here is the creation of aviation equipment and armament of the new generation - said the deputy minister of defense. - Their distinctive features have become supersonic flight speed, high maneuverability and long range, a large weapons load, low visibility, the opportunity for effective action to defeat air targets as well as for all-day and all-weather ground attack objects with the use of precision weapons.

    The deputy minister said that for these purposes will be allocated about $ 4.5 trillion rubles ( $140 billion ), or nearly a quarter of the funding of the program of weapons. 85 percent of the funds ( $111 Billion ) planned to direct the purchase of modern aircraft and equipment (ATV), which will by 2020 to increase the share of modern technology in the fleet of the Armed Forces of up to 70 percent. It is the task set by the President of Russia.

    General Command of the Air Force and enterprises Industry and Trade Ministry as part of the LG-2020 performed a set of measures aimed at ensuring the effective development and maintenance of aircraft and weapons systems the Air Force, stated Yuri Borisov. He stressed that the Defense Ministry is doing everything to create for the defense industry enterprises comfortable in fulfilling orders. This is facilitated by the implementation of serial deliveries of aircraft on long-term contracts with maturities of 3 to 5 years, the development of projects on a state contract for the complete life cycle of individual samples ATV, increased load defense industry orders up to a maximum of Defense and the substantial funds for the development of their technological and production bases.

    For the effective development of the Air Armament today "the need for error-free, rational and coordinated decisions with long-term planning that will enable our Air Force to successfully solve tasks assigned to them in at least a half-century term," said Yuri Borisov. And above all it is necessary to form a legal framework of pricing, allowing to conduct reasonable pricing industry and ensure the transparency of its understanding of the customer weapons, military and special equipment. Required as soon as possible to improve the methodological basis of price forecast ATV for a long term study of prices and methods for R & D to develop advanced models and systems of aircraft and weapons. In addition, according to Yuri Borisov, required to ensure the development of critical and basic industrial technology, allowing time to create advanced models ATV with specified performance characteristics superior to foreign counterparts, to work out a set of measures to unify and standardize the elements of combat aircraft, to determine the facial features are not only rational ATV and weapons, but also the basic systems and complexes, the arrangements for implementation in the practical sphere of modern methods of information support, modeling and lifecycle models ATV.
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    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:52 am

    So the total budget for RuAF untill 2020 is $140 Billion and CAPEX for procurement of aircraft and equipment $111 billion
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:18 am

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    The 3rd Mi-38 has made its first flight. Importantly, it is the first Mi-38 flying with Russian TV7-117B engines.
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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:02 am

    Longish Interview with Russian Airforce Chief Victor Cooper Smile

    The Commander in Chief of the Air Forces of Russia, Major-General Viktor Bondar

    The development of military aviation - a priority in the development of the Armed Forces of the Russian

    What changes are waiting for our Air Force in the near future? Will there be corrected distortions and excesses in their reforms made by the former leadership of the Ministry of Defence? What is expected in the near future when new military equipment? These and other questions specifically for the "Military-Industrial Courier," said Chief of the Air Force, Lieutenant-General Viktor Bondar.

    "MIC": Viktor, it was reported that the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation is preparing a partial change in the structure of the Air Force. Is this related to the solution with the results of unannounced inspections of troops and forces of the Eastern Military District?

    - Changes in the structure of the Air Force will be expressed in a return to the organizational structure of the "division - regiment" in the aviation of the Air Force. And also in the taking of air crew and air-space defense defense division. Proposals for a return to the divisional structure of the Air Force, the regiment were developed based on the results of the analysis of the functioning of the Air Force under the current organizational structure. Identified a number of problematic issues related to the organization of management, problem solving flight training. As a result, the decision to return to the previous structure, "Air Division - Aviation Regiment."

    Prospective basing generally do not undergo changes. The main criterion in determining it would be basing on the same airfield one regiment. Conducted unannounced inspections of the Southern, Eastern, Western military districts, as well as the Air Force and the army aerospace defense only confirmed the correctness of the decision.

    In addition, work on rebuilding educational and scientific complex of the Armed Forces. In the Air Force returned to military training and research center of the Air Force, "Air Force Academy named after Professor NE Zhukovsky and Gagarin", as well as a number of research centers, which are formed on the basis of the Central Research Institute of the Air forces.

    "MIC": The sides touched upon whether proposed changes to a scheme of the military airfields, especially in remote areas of Russia (in particular in the Arctic), where there are no civilian airports, and many airstrips belonging to the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation, are in poor condition?

    - Diagram of the operation of military airfields virtually unchanged, while significantly increase the intensity of their use, including those that are in remote areas of Russia, including the Far North. The Air Force is now to maintain the operational life of these airfields, the desired amount of financial and material resources. At the same time to repair the runways we organize execution of works on modernization of airfield infrastructure, and residential townships.

    "MIC": When it can be signed a contract to supply refueling aircraft IL-78 for the Air Force?

    - Promising tanker is created within development work, which is a customer of the Russian Defense Ministry. Completion date - 2015. After creating the design documentation and carry out tests in perspective tanker aircraft will be adopted, and it will be purchased in the amounts provided by the state program of armaments 2020.

    As for the existing fleet of refueling aircraft like IL-78, it will be upgraded. The operation of these aircraft is provided to 2030 inclusive.

    "MIC": There is any clarity in the signing of the contract between the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG" for the supply of MiG-35s?

    - MiG-35s created JSC "RAC" MiG "in the action development work on the tactical and technical requirements issued by the Russian Ministry of Defense. But, as you know, before the end of the development and testing of the plane, its purchase is not possible. I can only say that approximately purchases will be possible from 2016.

    "MIC": When it comes to the testing of aircraft of the fifth generation in the State Flight Test Center Chkalov (city Axhtubinsk Astrakhan region), what are the preliminary results?

    - At present, the multi-role fighter of the fifth generation PAK FA is factory test phase. Everything is going according to plan until the end of 2013 it will be passed on state tests in the 929 th GLITs the Ministry of Defense.

    "MIC": And yet when we can expect roughly it enters into production?

    - Remember that promising aviation complex tactical aviation is created within the framework of development work under GPV-2020. Before we go into the series, prototypes of the aircraft must pass state tests, which will last at least three years. After checking the aircraft to meet the requirements of tactical and technical specifications it goes into service.

    "MIC": Little is known about the promising aviation complex long-range aircraft (PAK DA). How will it differ from the Tu-160 and Tu-95MS?

    - Considered the Russian Defense Ministry as a promising aviation complex long-range aircraft, that aircraft will include all the best features of modern long-range aircraft (Tu-160, Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3). PAK DA will equip all promising types of precision weapons.

    "MIC": When can we expect it to mass production?

    - I think in the beginning of the next decade.

    "MIC": You said that you replace the MiG-31 will come a new interceptor aircraft that the Air Force expect to receive in 2020. It will be created on the basis of prospective aviation complex tactical aircraft (PAK FA) or is it a fundamentally different project? What scientific organizations are developing it?

    - With the 2013th in aircraft parts will be supplied multi-purpose fighter Su-35s. The complex aircraft weapons and tactical and technical information about aircraft allow it to meet the challenges of intercepting long-range air targets. Modern long-range missiles "air-air" Su-35s will be equipped by 2015.

    Subject to the removal from service aircraft such as the MiG-31 in the next decade due to the expiration of the service life of a promising new aviation systems of Su-35S and PAK FA in the required amount will be purchased and will provide the solution of problems of the Air Force air defense.

    Along with the enterprises of JSC "United Aircraft Corporation" in the creation of new aviation systems of air interception include enterprises of JSC "Corporation" Tactical Missiles ".

    "MIC": What other modern aircraft systems already in service with the Air Force, today we can say that?

    - This is a combat aircraft Su-30cm, Su-35s and Ka-52, Mi-28N. Upgradeable to present strategic Tu-160, Tu-95MS, AEW A-50U, modern transport and assault helicopters of all types, including training helicopter "ANSAT-U" combat training aircraft Yak-130.

    By the way, presented at the MAKS-2013 exhibition of military aviation and defense complexes characterized the scientific and industrial strength of the Russian defense industry, showed the world the main directions of its development, attracting foreign orders for samples of domestic military aircraft and air defense systems.

    "MIC": What are the armaments and military equipment designed for air defense?

    - To solve the problems of air defense in the Air Force has already received the latest anti-aircraft missile system S-400, "Armour-S", and radar systems, "Heaven-M". Currently in Phase I trials are SAM "Knight-defense" and the-horizon radar "Container".

    "MIC": When our armed forces will receive the first set of the latest generation of air defense missile systems S-500? How many army divisions of these systems can get to 2020?

    - The long-term anti-aircraft missile system S-500 is under development, its adoption into service is planned until 2020.

    The timing and amount of deliveries of S-500 to the troops planned in accordance with the decision of the President of the Russian Federation to ensure the completeness of species and genera of the Armed Forces with modern weapons, military and special equipment. They will maintain the necessary level of combat effectiveness and objectives for air defense, concentrating its efforts on critical strategic sites.

    "MIC": About this system is known not so much. What are the performance characteristics it will have?

    - Anti-aircraft missile system S-500 will be able to solve the problem of the destruction of short-range missiles, medium-range missiles, as well as targets in near space.

    As a guide tell you that in the S-500 is supposed to apply the principle of separation tasks destroy ballistic and aerodynamic purposes. The main task - fighting combat equipment of medium-range ballistic missiles and, if necessary, and intercontinental ballistic missiles in the terminal phase. Anti-aircraft missile system will affect both hypersonic aircraft and cruise missiles at low altitudes.

    C-500 will provide cover for some large cities, industrial facilities and priority strategic objectives. In its combat capabilities AAMS will be significantly greater standing now armed with S-400 "Triumph" and its foreign counterpart - the American THAAD.

    By promising the S-500 system to meet a series of requirements. This extended range of speeds and facial features of the targeted objectives, improving immunity, expansion affected areas, unification, integration with other types of firepower and air defense missile systems. Also, it must have the maximum possible mobility, the ability to operate in all weather conditions and operate effectively in the use of funds to overcome air defense, missile defense.

    "MIC": Is there a shortage of personnel in the Army Air Forces of Russia, in what areas he felt most strongly?

    - Minor deficiency is present. In order to fill this gap focuses on the work of the officers. After a three year break, we resumed enrollment in institutions of higher education the Air Force. To promote the profession of aviation support the work of existing military schools, boarding schools, with initial flight training, we provide an active corporate assistance in attracting young people to universities Air Force.

    At present, on behalf of the Secretary of Defense are preparing proposals to the President on the establishment of the Moscow Presidential Cadet Academy on the funds transferred to the city of Voronezh military training and research center of the Air Force, "Air Force Academy named after Professor NE Zhukovsky and Gagarin" (urban settlement Monino, Moscow region).

    I believe that the measures taken by the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation and the chief command of the Air Force measures the problem in the short term will be removed.

    "MIC": What are the results of the plan of flight training and units types of aircraft of the Air Force? He grew up a raid last year on a pilot?


    - Qualitative training flight crews to perform combat missions as intended promotes implementation of the plan of flight training, which remains one of the main tasks in the aviation of the Air Force. Compared to last year incursion in the Air Force increased by 2,360 hours, and now stands at 99 percent of the annual plan.

    One of the most important indicators of the level of flight training is the average flight time to the crew commander of the air force and units. Over the past year the average flight hours per pilot was more than one hundred hours. Particular attention is paid to the training of the young crews - recent college graduates. General Command of the Air Force is interested in the expeditious implementation of the young pilots, which generally increase the combat readiness of aircraft parts. Thus, the attack on the young pilot during the past year amounted to more than 111 hours.

    "MIC": In June 2013 the first time there was a competition for the best flight crew "Aviadarts." What are the positive aspects and, in contrast, was able to identify shortcomings in the course of the competition?

    - The competition was conducted in accordance with the decision by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. He was in the Air Force for the first time and showed a high level of training and skill of the pilots. It involved the participation of 32 of the flight crew of the Air Force attack aircraft in the Su-25, Su-25SM and army aviation helicopter Ka-52, Mi-28 and Mi-24. Crews strike aircraft and attack helicopters were competing, demonstrating their knowledge, physical fitness, as well as skills in the air. At the end of the competition the first place among the crews of attack aircraft took crews Mizhareva Major and Captain Khizhnyakova in the Su-25SM air base "Budennovsk." Among the crew of Army Aviation - the crews of Captain and Lieutenant Skidanchuka Shekhurdin on Mi-24 air base "Korenovsk." They passed all exams with dignity and sniper hit the target at the range, showed a high level of tactical and flight training, readiness to perform combat missions, have vast experience in decision-making in a complex tactical environment.

    The experience gained from the organization "Aviadartsa" will allow for a similar event in 2014 at a higher level and will provide an opportunity to plan in regular crew strike aircraft of other states.

    "MIC": When the Air Force will have a new aerobatic team on the Yak-130? Will it be established on the basis of one of the existing groups or formed from scratch?

    - Currently, the Yak-130 is available in the Air Force and developed a training aircraft parts. Create aerobatic team on the basis of the Yak-130 is provided in the plans of the Air Force. It will be composed of the pilots of aircraft parts that operate the aircraft.

    "MIC": From the budget of the Russian Federation for the re Air Force will be allocated five trillion rubles, as Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting on the state and prospects of development of military aviation. That's roughly 25 percent of the total funding SDO. Are you able to carry out tasks on time? How many modern aircraft and helicopters in the SDO has entered service with the Armed Forces?

    - It is planned to purchase two thousand aircraft and thus by 2020 to increase the share of modern aircraft in the Army to 70 percent. At present, the Air Force delivered more than a hundred new aircraft and three hundred helicopters. In addition, the continuing modernization of MiG-31, Su-25, Tu-95MS and Tu-160 and Tu-22M3.

    "MIC": In order to achieve this goal enterprises in the industry have to go through a complete re-equipment, to strengthen its operational and human resource capacity. But to increase output and simultaneously restructure production - not an easy task. In your opinion, to cope with her ​​country's aviation business?

    - As far as is known, is now the issue of training of production personnel is under the strict control of the President and the Government of the Russian Federation. On this task managers of industrial enterprises and holding companies accountable to the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation. State Armament Program 2020 in sync with the federal target program for the development of the defense-industrial complex, the state customer-coordinated by the Ministry of Industry Russia. As part of this federal program to re-equip production company and prepare it for the production of new models. This allows the airline industry for some nomenclatures perform government contract with the increase in the supply and repair of up to 200 percent per year.

    "MIC": What companies do you think are the leaders and what outsiders in this regard? How strong backlog of some of them in the modernization and how it affects the performance of defense contracts in general? Which may affect the timing of defense contracts in the field of military aviation and air defense?

    - Traditionally, the faster ramping up production and expand the range of products supplied by the firms operating after the collapse of the Soviet Union exported. These include those that supply products for operational and tactical and army aviation. At the same time taken by the leadership of the Defense Ministry of Russia for the last three years, measures for priority placement of the state defense order for enterprises with low production potential, but have a direct impact on the country's defense, ensured the stability of production, the ability to develop and produce new products.

    "MIC": The most successful projects in the Russian aircraft industry exports are fighters of the Su-30 and MiG-29. Meanwhile, they are increasingly set foreign-made avionics. Could this have a negative impact on the performance of combat missions in a real fight?

    - I can report that none of the foreign-made equipment is not installed on military aircraft without checks in specialized Russian laboratories. Installing the device is held by domestic foreign engineering companies to fulfill the high requirements set in the tactical and technical assignments. Knowing the results of inspections, I can say that the cause of disruption of combat missions imported Avionics and can not be. At least until now, these facts were revealed.

    "MIC": If the rearmament of fleet of combat aircraft and helicopters, more or less clear, the supply situation of military transport aircraft, alas, does not inspire optimism. Tell me more about the delivery schedule of the transport aircraft An-140-100 Samara plant "Aviacor" Il-76MD-90A, An-124-100 "Ruslan".

    - An-140-100 is a short-haul civilian passenger plane, purchase it is necessary to replace older aircraft An-26, up to the present time are in the ranks. An-140-100 purchased by long-term contract in 2014 as part of the Air Force will have 11 such aircraft. In this case, the Russian Defense Ministry to 2020 are planned all the necessary measures to modernize and increase the existing fleet of military transport aircraft types IL-76, AN-124, the creation and purchase of light and medium military transport aircraft. Currently, a long-term government contract to supply more than 30 Il-76MD-90A, with the rate of two aircraft per year modernized An-124 in the version of An-124-100.

    "MIC": How would you rate the level of professional training of flight crews to work on a new technique? As far as he went down after a reduction of the Armed Forces in 2009-2012? What measures does the supreme command of the Air Force to improve the situation?

    - Professional level of training of flight personnel of the Air Force for the development of sufficient new incoming aircraft. Conduct in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, organizational and personnel actions did not affect the quality of the training of flight personnel and the development of new aircraft. General Command of the Air Force continues to work on the planned development of new aircraft coming and based on the tasks performed certain activities. In particular, the adjusted curriculum, teaching materials, qualification requirements for aviation professionals, applies modern technical training (simulators, training and computer classes, interactive learning system for new types of aircraft and helicopters), as well as changes are made to a system of training aviation personnel, course training.

    "MIC": combat potential of the Air Force is largely determined by the network of airfields. Most of them are built in the middle of the last century and in need of repair. What are the plans of the High Command of the Air Force for the construction of new and reconstruction of the old airfield?

    - In 2013, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation approved the composition of the airfield network perspective of the Air Force. Given the deterioration airfield pavements to 2020 planned activities for repair and renovation of existing airports. At the same time work to bring them up to the standards of airworthiness actively carried out since 2010, both by specialized units of the Air Force, as well as third parties. Each year, work on restoration and coatings GDP is conducted simultaneously by more than 15 airports.

    "MIC": And the last question. What are the trends in the field of military aviation as priorities, will they change to 2020?

    - The development of military aviation in general is a priority in the development of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. However, the state armament program until 2020, provided nomenclatural position of aircraft and aircraft weapons that directly affect the combat effectiveness of all types of aircraft. Their supplies are controlled by the President, the Government and the Ministry of Defence.

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    Victor N. Cooper. He was born on December 7, 1959 in the village of Novo-Bogoroditskoe Petropavlovsk Voronezh region. He graduated from Borisoglebskoe Higher Military Aviation School of Pilots (1981), the Air Force Academy named after Yuri Gagarin (1992), the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (2004).

    He served as a pilot instructor, senior instructor pilot, flight commander, deputy commander and commander of the squadron training regiment Barnaul Higher Military Aviation School, a senior navigator regiment commander of the squadron instructor Attack Aviation Regiment aviation training center (training of flight crews), commander of the squadron separate Attack Aviation Regiment Air Force commander, deputy commander, commander of the Army Air Assault Regiment, deputy commander and commander of the mixed air division (Voronezh region), deputy commander and commander of the Army Air Force and Air Defense (Novosibirsk), the Deputy Chief of the Air Force Chief of Staff - First Deputy Commander the Air Force.

    In 2012 he was appointed commander of the Air Force.

    He was awarded the Gold Star of the Hero of Russia (2000), the Order "For Service to the Motherland in the USSR Armed Forces» III degree (1984), Courage (1995), and other state awards.

    He is married. They have two sons.

    Interviewed by Oleg Falichev
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:55 am

    As pointed out on another thread they cancelled an extra order for helos they though would be useful but not strictly necessary.

    In other words they are cutting the budget already and short changing their new allies again.

    That is OK, the order book for Mil is busy anyway and new deals are being signed all the time.

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    That really is disappointing... the Mig-31 to be supplimented and then replaced with Su-35S and PAK FA with long range missiles.

    Perhaps the head of Aerospace Defence (VKKO) will want to spend money on a real dedicated replacement for the Mig-31.

    It did say that the Mig-31s will be upgraded so they will stay in service for some time yet.
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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:20 am

    No point in wasting money on building a dedicated new interceptor to replace Mig-31 , Just modify the PAK-FA as interceptor and give it long range missile of new type to deal with high flying high speed targets.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:04 am

    A dedicated design is best, but if they must use an existing type then a PAK FA modified could be a good solution.

    Looking at the wording of his reply I suspect they plan of using super long range missiles to compensate for the reduced speed of the aircraft.

    An obvious alternative would be to use the large external weapon capacity of the Su-35S together with the speed and AESA array performance of PAK FA to perform the role of the Mig-31.

    Of course the PVO used a range of aircraft for the interception mission including Su-11, Su-15, and Tu-128 and of course Mig-25 and Mig-29 and Su-27 aircraft as well as the Mig-31 and in combination each had virtues and problems.

    For chasing down low flying cruise missiles the PAK FA would likely be a good choice while the Su-35 could use its large weapon capacity to engage multiple bombers from standoff distances and use its dash speed to finish off any that need it.

    Ironically the Al-41s in the Mig-31 would be an interesting upgrade along with a huge AESA .

    When they reach their full potential of 17-18 tons thrust the Al-41 could potentially give the Mig-31 fairly impressive performance because the Al-41 is designed for supersonic speed in dry thrust... which means perhaps sparkling supercruising performance with the 6 tons of extra thrust the engines would be generating.

    Imagine the 18 ton thrust AL-41 in the Mig-25!

    In terms of flight speed the Mig-25 and Mig-31 are similar though the more fuel efficient engines of the Mig-31 allow greater range at subsonic and supersonic speeds.

    The Mig-25 did it with 11 ton thrust engines, while the much heavier Mig-31 does it with 15 ton thrust engines... a Mig-25 with 18 ton thrust supercruising engines would be very interesting.

    They are going to make unmanned versions of PAK FA and a naval model is likely too, so a 25% bigger interceptor model with no horizontal tail and a big delta wing with an enlarged fuselage and a flat belly that will allow 6 R-37M missiles to be fitted side by side on the belly. 3 rows of missiles plus a couple of short range missiles on the wing tips and the internal wing bays
    for a total of 4 9M100 short range missiles and 18 R-37M missiles on the belly with the internal weapons bay filled with fuel to extend range and endurance.

    No need for most stealth features and a big AESA in the nose is a must.

    It will lose a lot of stealth and some agility when fully loaded but neither were that important anyway for the interception role.
    As pointed out on another thread they cancelled an extra order for helos they though would be useful but not strictly necessary.
    Actually it gives Moscow some leverage with the Afghan government... let us bomb those poppy fields with FOABs and you can have some more helos...
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:39 am

    Su-35 with RVV-BV or R-37 in 2015? Yes please!
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    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:A dedicated design is best, but if they must use an existing type then a PAK FA modified could be a good solution.

    Looking at the wording of his reply I suspect they plan of using super long range missiles to compensate for the reduced speed of the aircraft.

    An obvious alternative would be to use the large external weapon capacity of the Su-35S together with the speed and AESA array performance of PAK FA to perform the role of the Mig-31.

    Of course the PVO used a range of aircraft for the interception mission including Su-11, Su-15, and Tu-128 and of course Mig-25 and Mig-29 and Su-27 aircraft as well as the Mig-31 and in combination each had virtues and problems.

    For chasing down low flying cruise missiles the PAK FA would likely be a good choice while the Su-35 could use its large weapon capacity to engage multiple bombers from standoff distances and use its dash speed  to finish off any that need it.

    Ironically the Al-41s in the Mig-31 would be an interesting upgrade along with a huge AESA .

    When they reach their full potential of 17-18 tons thrust the Al-41 could potentially give the Mig-31 fairly impressive performance because the Al-41 is designed for supersonic speed in dry thrust... which means perhaps sparkling supercruising performance with the 6 tons of extra thrust the engines would be generating.

    Imagine the 18 ton thrust AL-41 in the Mig-25!

    In terms of flight speed the Mig-25 and Mig-31 are similar though the more fuel efficient engines of the Mig-31 allow greater range at subsonic and supersonic speeds.

    The Mig-25 did it with 11 ton thrust engines, while the much heavier Mig-31 does it with 15 ton thrust engines... a Mig-25 with 18 ton thrust supercruising engines would be very interesting.

    They are going to make unmanned versions of PAK FA and a naval model is likely too, so a 25% bigger interceptor model with no horizontal tail and a big delta wing with an enlarged fuselage and a flat belly that will allow 6 R-37M missiles to be fitted side by side on the belly. 3 rows of missiles plus  a couple of short range missiles on the wing tips and the internal wing bays
    for a total of 4 9M100 short range missiles and 18 R-37M missiles on the belly with the internal weapons bay filled with fuel to extend range and endurance.

    No need for most stealth features and a big AESA in the nose is a must.

    It will lose a lot of stealth and some agility when fully loaded but neither were that important anyway for the interception role.
    As pointed out on another thread they cancelled an extra order for helos they though would be useful but not strictly necessary.
    Actually it gives Moscow some leverage with the Afghan government... let us bomb those poppy fields with FOABs and you can have some more helos...
    Garry, I notice the new Pak-Fa engines are incredibly powerful. And that the Pak Fa isn't actually far off the size of the Mig-31. With some serious tweaking, and speed for agility tradeoffs, my guess is that it could be a terrific aircraft. Altho my tech knowledge on it is very low..

    Would you be able to estimate how far a T-50 interceptor could be tuned up to, in terms of top speed?

    I notice that its rare to see a plane that can go above Mach 2.3 or so. It seems this figure has stayed pretty consistent for a long, long time. Would heat become a problem if the new Pak Fa engines were used to go far above Mach 2.4 or so? Is there anything that could tweak it to Mach3 or more? Would a 3rd engine - ram/scramjet addon be feasible to boost it?

    My suspicion is that the RuAF think that the "next gen" of hgh speed will be hypersonics. And that its too early to be building a h-sonic interceptor just yet. ie best to solve the missile issues 1st.
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    Post  mack8 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:39 pm

    TR1 wrote:Su-35 with RVV-BV or R-37 in 2015? Yes please!
    How about a Su-35PU two-seater with R-37, R-77M etc etc.? Very Happy 

    About this part...
    Subject to the removal from service aircraft such as the MiG-31 in the next decade due to the expiration of the service life of a promising new aviation systems of Su-35S and PAK FA in the required amount will be purchased and will provide the solution of problems of the Air Force air defense.
    ...in the russian version it specifically says that MiG-31 will be replaced by Su-35 and T-50 right, and not that they will be only stopgaps, as someone suggested? Thanks.

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    Post  medo on Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:56 pm

    In one way I would like to see Mig resurrect its Mig-1-44 project to produce Mig-31 replacement. It is big enough, less stealth but with classical structure to enable high speed and long range.
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    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:16 pm

    medo wrote:In one way I would like to see Mig resurrect its Mig-1-44 project to produce Mig-31 replacement. It is big enough, less stealth but with classical structure to enable high speed and long range.
    Acc to Wikipedia (which ok, is worth zero), the 1.44 is reported as having a Mach 3.0 top speed...Shocked 

    Altho the very same article ALSO says its Mach 2.35 or whatever.

    I'm sure the LMFS will happen. Because it will also end up cheaper than the Pak Fa. The big question is when..

    -And on interceptors, the question is how far the Pak Fa could be modified to be a super Mig-31 replacement. Or whether the true replacement will actually be years later, when we are looking at 6G etc. Which will probably mean pilotless planes and/or hypersonic speed etc etc.

    Lots of new planes will be appearing in RuAF over the next 5,10, 15 yrs. So it will be interesting times... Bearing in mind from the early 90s til mid 2000s, there was relatively little in comparison.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:06 am

    And that the Pak Fa isn't actually far off the size of the Mig-31.
    The Mig-31 at 50 tons is twice the weight of the PAK FA.

    Would you be able to estimate how far a T-50 interceptor could be tuned up to, in terms of top speed?
    Top speed is a fight between installed thrust, and drag. Weight is not so important... a heavier aircraft just takes longer to accelerate.

    PAK FA is a very low drag design to allow supercruising, so speed should really be restricted by installed thrust and material resistance to friction heat.

    Is there anything that could tweak it to Mach3 or more? Would a 3rd engine - ram/scramjet addon be feasible to boost it?
    A thinner lower drag wing would allow higher speed, but going faster is always very expensive.

    Modifying the engines with bypass chambers that at high speed can be used as scramjets could expand the flight performance to enormous speeds but the shape of the wing and nose would need to be modified for the higher speed and of course new materials would need to be used.

    My suspicion is that the RuAF think that the "next gen" of hgh speed will be hypersonics. And that its too early to be building a h-sonic interceptor just yet. ie best to solve the missile issues 1st.
    I agree, but I also think that a high speed interceptor can cover more territory more efficiently.

    Perhaps the VKKO will spend money where the VVS wont...

    -And on interceptors, the question is how far the Pak Fa could be modified to be a super Mig-31 replacement.
    And that becomes another question... will they bother making a cheaper less stealthy PAK FA with increased fuel capacity and increased long range weapon load including conformal and external missiles, or will they just allocate PAK FA to VKKO duty when needed...
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    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:44 am

    GarryB wrote:As pointed out on another thread they cancelled an extra order for helos they though would be useful but not strictly necessary.

    In other words they are cutting the budget already and short changing their new allies again.

    That is OK, the order book for Mil is busy anyway and new deals are being signed all the time.

    The development of military aviation - a priority in the development of the Armed Forces of the Russian
    That really is disappointing... the Mig-31 to be supplimented and then replaced with Su-35S and PAK FA with long range missiles.

    Perhaps the head of Aerospace Defence (VKKO) will want to spend money on a real dedicated replacement for the Mig-31.

    It did say that the Mig-31s will be upgraded so they will stay in service for some time yet.
    MiG-35 also from 2016.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:50 am

    MOSCOW, November 20 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian military is getting a total of 67 new combat aircraft this year, an official from the United Aircraft Corporation said Wednesday.

    “Sixty-seven new aircraft were slated to be delivered in 2013, and they will all be delivered,” Vladimir Mikhailov, director of military aviation programs at the UAC, said at a roundtable conference on state defense contracts hosted by RIA Novosti.

    “The remaining 16 planes will be supplied in December,” Mikhailov said.


    The official said the UAC had signed contracts for the purchase of more than 400 combat aircraft for the Russian armed forces under the state rearmament program until the year 2020.

    “The annual deliveries will significantly increase year-on-year,” he said.

    Russia is currently implementing an ambitious 20 trillion ruble ($640 billion) rearmament program planned to run until 2020.

    The program will see the share of modern weaponry in Russia’s armed forces reach 30 percent by 2015 and 70 percent by 2020.

    The UAC consolidates Russian private and state-owned aircraft-manufacturing companies engaged in the development, production and sales of military, civilian, transport aircraft.

    The Russian government owns a majority stake in the company.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:29 pm

    4th Mi-38 and the last preproduction model

    Last preproduction Mi-38 is going to LSC
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    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:40 pm

    Take Off Magazine November Issue

    http://en.take-off.ru/pdf_to/to28.pdf
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    Post  Firebird on Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:53 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    And that the Pak Fa isn't actually far off the size of the Mig-31.
    The Mig-31 at 50 tons is twice the weight of the PAK FA.

    Would you be able to estimate how far a T-50 interceptor could be tuned up to, in terms of top speed?
    Top speed is a fight between installed thrust, and drag. Weight is not so important... a heavier aircraft just takes longer to accelerate.

    PAK FA is a very low drag design to allow supercruising, so speed should really be restricted by installed thrust and material resistance to friction heat.

    Is there anything that could tweak it to Mach3 or more? Would a 3rd engine - ram/scramjet addon be feasible to boost it?
    A thinner lower drag wing would allow higher speed, but going faster is always very expensive.

    Modifying the engines with bypass chambers that at high speed can be used as scramjets could expand the flight performance to enormous speeds but the shape of the wing and nose would need to be modified for the higher speed and of course new materials would need to be used.

    My suspicion is that the RuAF think that the "next gen" of hgh speed will be hypersonics. And that its too early to be building a h-sonic interceptor just yet. ie best to solve the missile issues 1st.
    I agree, but I also think that a high speed interceptor can cover more territory more efficiently.

    Perhaps the VKKO will spend money where the VVS wont...

    -And on interceptors, the question is how far the Pak Fa could be modified to be a super Mig-31 replacement.
    And that becomes another question... will they bother making a cheaper less stealthy PAK FA with increased fuel capacity and increased long range weapon load including conformal and external missiles, or will they just allocate PAK FA to VKKO duty when needed...
    Well the 31 certainly looks a lot bigger than the Pak Fa. But acc to Wiki, (which ok, may be rubbish...) the weights and sizes aren't much different. I think the big one is actually payload - approx 10 vs approx 20 tons?

    But, max t-off and empty weights aren't that different. (Expect major modifications anyway...)

    So, to me, a conversion of the Pak Fa is a good possibility. It would also be nice to see the Pak Fa state of the art tech really being squeezed for various different things... if feasible.

    I wonder if a VERY heavily modified Pak Fa could go much past Mach 3.5? Assuming some exotic materials, stealth reduction, the new engines, maybe scram/ramjet boosters etc?

    Altho what I'd really like to see is steps being taken towards hypersonics.. I was reading some intersting (and confusing!) stuff about magneto-plasmo-chemical engines. (Its on Wikipedia in relation to Russia's Ayaks page). To me, thats really what hypersonics are about ie some way of reharnessing the heat generated by air friction..
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    Post  Rpg type 7v on Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:00 pm

    Austin wrote:No point in wasting money on building a dedicated new interceptor to replace Mig-31 , Just modify the PAK-FA as interceptor and give it long range missile of new type to deal with high flying high speed targets.
    So i was right once again...cheers 
    And garry is wrong...as usual .... heheheee tongue 
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:37 am

    the weights and sizes aren't much different. I think the big one is actually payload - approx 10 vs approx 20 tons?
    Not sure what figures you are looking at there... PAK FA has a standard loaded weight of less than 30 tons. The Mig-31 has a standard loaded weight that is pretty much the same as its max loaded weight of about 46 tons... its standard weapons are its heavy long range AAMs... and it usually has max fuel weights.

    So i was right once again...cheers
    And garry is wrong...as usual .... heheheee
    This is based on information from an interview with the head of the Russian AF.

    The AF might want to phase out the Mig-31 and just have PAK FAs all over the place, but what the head of the VKKO might want could easily be something different and he has the budget and power to do something about it.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:00 am

    Dubai Airshow 2013: KNIRTI displays new Su-35 EW package

    Russia's Kaluga Scientific Research Institute for Radio Technology (KNIRTI) debuted a model of its newest electronic warfare (EW) system, destined for the Sukhoi Su-35, at the Dubai Airshow 2013.

    The system, designated L-265M10-02, is a modernised version of the L-175VE Khibiny jammer installed on the Su-32/34 intermediate-range bomber. KNIRTI representatives explained to International Defence Review that the new jammer is more modular than the previous model. "In this newer variant, the centreline pod is optional and the aircraft can provide for its own self-protection with just the two wingtip pods."

    However, the addition of a centreline pod can enable the host aircraft to serve as an escort jammer, working in accord with other systems built into the aircraft's tail 'stinger'.


    http://www.janes.com/article/30625/dubai-airshow-2013-knirti-displays-new-su-35-ew-package
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:32 pm

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20131120/978381874.html

    Contract for 16 MiG-29SMTs might be signed soon. All documents ready to be signed for the 2014-2016 deal.


    Timeframe implies we might see the first birds as early as next year. Sources claim they are new builds...we will see.

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