Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

New S300/400 in Syria

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.165240&lon=36.262740&z=17&m=b

calm wrote:New S300/400 in Syria

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.165240&lon=36.262740&z=17&m=b

This looks more like bastion(it is launched from here last year).

same place, couple of months ago

S300V4










Tartus and Latakia Russian fortresses.
There is one Pantsir in Tartous port, and maybe something else.

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calm wrote:New S300/400 in Syria

This looks more like bastion(it is launched from here last year).

same place, couple of months ago

S300V4


Tartus and Latakia Russian fortresses.
There is one Pantsir in Tartous port, and maybe something else.

Very interesting location, not quite on a straight line between Tartus and Hama and high in the mountains giving potentially really good radar range.

Perfect spot for a SAM if indeed it is one.

Russians in Rastan pocket. Face to Face with rebels during negotation.

getoverit wrote:Can you plebs talk about something other than L-39 and focus more on facts , we lurkers come here for information and lately , what a waste of time; Arguments, insults and L-39 come on children

All the best

Me I have been trying to get him to stop lol I am more than happy to chat about other things you will see multiple times I've mentioned that this thread is about Russia's involvement in Syria not scrapping but eehnie has a bee in his bonnet about it lol. I have refused to mention it from now on if it's mentioned again it won't be by me

The Russian Navy fired several cruise missiles towards the Isis positions in central Syria last night. targeted the Islamic State installations inside the terrorist group’s stronghold of ‘Uqayrbat

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-navy-fires-cruise-missiles-towards-isil-held-central-syria-report/

d_taddei2 wrote:The Russian Navy fired several cruise missiles towards the Isis positions in central Syria last night. targeted the Islamic State installations inside the terrorist group’s stronghold of ‘Uqayrbat

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-navy-fires-cruise-missiles-towards-isil-held-central-syria-report/

Must be scary when buildings suddenly explode around you with non of the advance warning from the sound of jets. More please!

JohninMK wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:The Russian Navy fired several cruise missiles towards the Isis positions in central Syria last night. targeted the Islamic State installations inside the terrorist group’s stronghold of ‘Uqayrbat

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-navy-fires-cruise-missiles-towards-isil-held-central-syria-report/

Must be scary when buildings suddenly explode around you with non of the advance warning from the sound of jets. More please!

Agreed no chance to take any action I think it's great Russia has a chance to test them in combat although it would have been nice to test iskander and FOAB looooool against the scum.

@calm

Good post about negotiations . Must be done where possible . But if they keep on fighting . Like the hard core terrorists . Then is it better to close the jaws of death and trap them . And annihilate them . Or allow them escape through narrow gap . So they retreat to more confined geographical area ? There , they can be annihilated en masse .

The best possible scenario for terrorist . Is to occupy as large geographical area and do hit and run . The worst for them is to occupy small area and do set battle . It is the reverse situation for regular army . So it makes sense to allow them a retreat . So they can be collected in one area . There destroyed at once . Keep the gaps open .

nomadski wrote:
@calm

Good post about  negotiations . Must be done where possible . But if they keep on fighting . Like the hard core terrorists . Then is it better to close the jaws of death and trap them . And annihilate them . Or allow them escape through narrow gap . So they retreat to more confined geographical area ?  There , they can be annihilated en masse .

The best possible scenario for terrorist . Is to occupy as large geographical area and do hit and run . The worst for them is to occupy small area and do set battle . It is the reverse situation for regular army . So it makes sense to allow them a retreat . So they can be collected in one area . There destroyed at once . Keep the gaps open .

In a 'normal' civil war there can be 'stay-behinds' that are then able to conduct a guerilla campaign. It doesn't look like this will be possible for ISIS, either, certainly out of the Euphrates valley, there is no chance of living off the land or the local population are not sympathetic to their cause. You could imagine the response if the Government put a price on their heads.

By far the best solution, for the rest of the people in the Middle East and beyond is to just execute them as murderers etc on the spot. Especially the foreigners amongst them (majority?) who just came to wreak havoc on Syrians for fun.

GarryB wrote:Iskander proved its worth in Georgia...

And regarding the FOAB... there is still time...

I really want them to use FOAB. 

I know it's completely unnecessary and total waste and overkill but I want to see it going off so bad.

Can you imagine the porn??? 

@johninmk

It is a calculation . The most efficient way to dispose of them . I agree about this situation being abnormal . In normal war with normal soldier , once they are surrounded , and death is imminent , then most would surrender . But the psychology here is different . They believe wrongly that they will go to paradise . And they fight to the death . But so goes the narrative . But I think that human nature being what it is , that many will try to save themselves , faced with death . So they react in the normal way in psychological way . Or so I believe . The only real difference is about them being relatively lightly armed foot soldiers who essentially participate in guerrilla tactics .

If we assume that essentially most will refuse to surrender or retreat . Then what you say is right . Despite their dispersion locking down much needed heavy equipment and armour and artillery . Then they have to be destroyed where they stand . But if what I say is right . That a big portion will choose to retreat if not surrender . Then allowing a retreat into a confined space . Will allow freeing up of heavy equipment . And form a more efficient killing machine at the end .

So if we draw a graph of number who surrendered versus time . We soon see what the trend is . And if it is worth waiting or not . If graph flattens out . With no new numbers surrendering or retreating . Then it is time to close the gap . And despite the cost , finish them off where they stand . A calculation .

calm wrote:

3 RQ21A not 2

Chart exhibit of VKS 2017 SAM(#Pantsir-S1/2?)"kills" in Syria @ "Syrian War"pt. of Army-2017."Take with a pinch of salt" disclaimer applies.

With the adoption of the military-political decision to provide Syria with military assistance, the primary task of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was the deployment of a control system ensuring the creation of a grouping of troops on the territory of that state and the subsequent effective management of its actions.

To this end, a three-level management system was built. It included the combat command group of the Russian Defense Ministry, the command of the grouping of troops in Syria and the operational groups of advisers on tactical directions.

The work of the combat command group is organized around the clock by duty shifts at the National Defense Management Center. It consists of representatives of all central bodies of military command.

The main tasks of the combat command group are the collection and assessment of the situation data, analysis of the decisions made by the command of the group and the planned further actions.

Every day the duty shift prepares and presents to the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff a report on the current situation.

Such a system of work allows the leadership of the Ministry of Defense to constantly own the situation and react quickly to its changes.

In addition, through the combat command group, the interaction of the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry with officials of the US defense ministries, the secretariat of the UN Secretary-General's Special Envoy for Syria in Geneva and Damascus, representatives of the Russian Federation in the Task Groups of the international support group of Syria, the Center for Rapid Response to Violations the regime for the cessation of hostilities in Geneva, as well as with representatives of other international organizations.

This allows us to promptly organize the elaboration and coordination of military and political issues, exchange views on the current situation and conduct humanitarian actions in the Syrian settlements.

For direct management in the territory of Syria, a management system has been deployed that ensures coordinated actions of the aviation group of the Russian Air Force, formations of government troops, the Republican Guard, self-defense units and people's militia.

The composition of the formed and deployed at the Syrian airfield Khemeymim command post, the grouping of troops included representatives of the central bodies of military command and military districts.

To control the troops, the operational composition of the command post of the grouping is divided into functional groups and centers.

Special features of the deployment of the command post of the troop grouping and the organization of the communication system will be devoted to individual speeches in the framework of our conference.

In addition, in order to exchange information about the air situation and to eliminate incidents involving the use of combat aircraft, the command of the group organized interaction with the US operations center in Jordan, the air traffic control center in Qatar, the Turkish Air Force control center and the Israeli command center.

Russia and Syria created a unified air defense system on the territory of the republic

A unified air defense system (air defense) was created in Syria thanks to the efforts of Russian and Syrian military specialists. Major-General Sergei Meshcheryakov, chief of staff and deputy commander of the Air Force of the High Command of the Air and Space Forces, said at the international military technical forum "Army-2017" during the round table, which is devoted to the discussion of the Syrian experience. TASS

At present, a single integrated air defense system has been created in Syria. Information and technical interface of Russian and Syrian airspace reconnaissance equipment was provided. All information about the air situation from the Syrian radar stations arrives at the command posts of the Russian grouping of troops
- he said.

The Russian air defense grouping in the area of ​​the airfield Khmeimim includes a radio engineering battalion, a battery of the Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile and gun system and S-400 surface-to-air missile systems.

In the zone of destruction of anti-aircraft missile systems are all air targets in a radius of up to 400 km at altitudes up to 35 km
- said Meshcheryakov.

Also, the Russian Federation deployed systems to protect against unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and their defeats in Syria, chief of the department for construction and development of the system for the application of the UAV of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Major-General Alexander Novikov, said on Friday.

In order to effectively combat unmanned aerial vehicles, a system has been created in the points of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria, including detection subsystems, warnings about flights of unmanned aerial vehicles, radio electronic suppression and fire destruction
"Novikov said at a roundtable at the" Army-2017 "forum.

According to him, the subsystem includes air defense assets, EW assets, air surveillance systems. The Major General said that the defeat of drones is carried out by special calculations using small arms.

Thanks for those two posts Franco.

It is becoming clear just how deep into the Russian military the 'training operation' in Syria is penetrating. This must be hugely valuable to their current leadership. This is experience that just cannot be emulated without an actual war. The actual cost in roubles must make this one of the best investments they have made over the past 10 years.

The US decision start a process to overthrow Assad back in 2013 is looking increasingly disastrous on a whole multitude of fronts.

Strikes of the Russian Air Force on the IGIL in the Deir-ez-Zor region allowed the Syrian aircraft to continue the offensive

08/28/2017. After the successful offensive actions of the Syrian troops with the support of Russian military security services in the area of ​​Ganem Ali, the IGIL fighters are trying to regroup and prepare fortified areas near the settlement of Deir ez Zor.

Realizing that a bridgehead around Deir ez-Zor is the last bastion of international terrorists on Syrian soil, the rebels being moved heavy weapons, including tanks and road vehicles with large-caliber weapons and mortars.

During the night and today, Russian VKS continued to successfully attack the targets of IGIL, destroying 4 tanks, 16 high-cross-country vehicles with heavy machine guns, 6 heavy vehicles with ammunition, and 2 fortified areas with artillery positions.

Effective actions of the Russian military security services allowed the Syrian government forces under the command of General Hasan Suhel to continue the offensive along the eastern bank of the Euphrates River to Deir ez Zor with the aim of releasing it.



http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/2007825.html

Models of Hmeim Air Base and Tartus naval facility on Army 2017:

https://twitter.com/russian_defence/status/902207573427970049