Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

PapaDragon wrote:


Russia WANTS turks to go for it.

When they made noise to the press about turk preparations for invasion they did not do it so turks would back off. They did it so everyone knows who is blame when turkey gets cooked.

Wiki wrote:Genuflection (or genuflexion), bending at least one knee to the ground, was from early times a gesture of deep respect for a superior.

PapaDragon wrote:
^^^ Landed on the nose, rolled on and stayed in one piece. Back in the Cold War things were built to last.



Also:

I have been reading articles on Syria in Guardian, Financial Times and couple of other outlets and I noticed that comment sections are 90% very critical (to put it politely) of the article's content.

Could be that public opinion in UK (and maybe USA) do not buy into "democratic jihad" anymore. I wonder what the situation is in German, French and other media?

Vann7 wrote:quote " ISIS used chemical weapons, may have more - CIA chief "

https://www.rt.com/usa/332300-brennan-isis-chemical-weapons/

Basically US Government is blackmailing Russia that are ready to take the fight to the use of lethal weapons  against them in Syria using Weapon of Mass destruction/advanced Chemical weapons if Russia continues supporting Assad or Liberating more terrorist cities.  The believe that Jihadist who "protest for freedom" with ak-47 ,now can produce in their garage in Syria chemical weapons ,in the middle of a warzone is laughable. US is threatening Russia with a chemical war as simple as that ,and later will blame it is "rebels " unsuspected "new abilities" to create them.

What all this means ladies and gentleman is that US will not backdown in Syria and only increase
the hostilities against Syrian Government and Russia. Russia will face a chemical warfare in Syria if they don't negotiate to partition it ,and force Assad out, this is what US is telling them. Through
its CIA director. So we are heading to high level proxy war in Syria of US against Russia. That instead of Stinger missiles ,they now will rely in chemical warfare.. something that will make it very expensive for them to counter it and with a potential Turkey invasion too. So be ready for a False flag like event.. of what happened in Damascus ,but this time will not be blamed in Assad
but in "ISIS". And Turkey can use as "Excuse" the chemical attack of them ,to invade syria.


So things are heating up ,and Russia will have to either negotiate for the split of Syria in parts
or continue with the game of pretending US and TUrkey are not fighting them though ISIS,or world war 3.  Or maybe Russia have another option that will allow them to earn time and outmaneuver them. Whatever it is.. i don't think Russia is well prepared to fight a chemical war
in Syria , their troops could have chemical gear ,but not the Syrian army or Syrian population.

Vann7 wrote:quote " ISIS used chemical weapons, may have more - CIA chief "

https://www.rt.com/usa/332300-brennan-isis-chemical-weapons/

Basically US Government is blackmailing Russia that are ready to take the fight to the use of lethal weapons  against them in Syria using Weapon of Mass destruction/advanced Chemical weapons if Russia continues supporting Assad or Liberating more terrorist cities.  The believe that Jihadist who "protest for freedom" with ak-47 ,now can produce in their garage in Syria chemical weapons ,in the middle of a warzone is laughable. US is threatening Russia with a chemical war as simple as that ,and later will blame it is "rebels " unsuspected "new abilities" to create them.

What all this means ladies and gentleman is that US will not backdown in Syria and only increase
the hostilities against Syrian Government and Russia. Russia will face a chemical warfare in Syria if they don't negotiate to partition it ,and force Assad out, this is what US is telling them. Through
its CIA director. So we are heading to high level proxy war in Syria of US against Russia. That instead of Stinger missiles ,they now will rely in chemical warfare.. something that will make it very expensive for them to counter it and with a potential Turkey invasion too. So be ready for a False flag like event.. of what happened in Damascus ,but this time will not be blamed in Assad
but in "ISIS". And Turkey can use as "Excuse" the chemical attack of them ,to invade syria.


So things are heating up ,and Russia will have to either negotiate for the split of Syria in parts
or continue with the game of pretending US and TUrkey are not fighting them though ISIS,or world war 3.  Or maybe Russia have another option that will allow them to earn time and outmaneuver them. Whatever it is.. i don't think Russia is well prepared to fight a chemical war
in Syria , their troops could have chemical gear ,but not the Syrian army or Syrian population.

zg18 wrote:New A-G missile spotted on Su-34



Kh-38? Anyone?

franco wrote:A look at potential Turkish invasion of Syria with most likely units with equipment and disposition;
http://southfront.org/military-analysis-the-turkish-2nd-army-invasion-force-for-syria/#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/cqaPLwehkb

It is most likely that these more capable MBTs are with units tasked with guarding Turkey’s border with Russia and the Caucasus, where they would have to fight against a much more capable adversary, utilizing more modern and capable MBTS and Anti-Tank (AT) weapons.

PapaDragon wrote:
^^^ Landed on the nose, rolled on and stayed in one piece. Back in the Cold War things were built to last.



Also:

I have been reading articles on Syria in Guardian, Financial Times and couple of other outlets and I noticed that comment sections are 90% very critical (to put it politely) of the article's content.

Could be that public opinion in UK (and maybe USA) do not buy into "democratic jihad" anymore. I wonder what the situation is in German, French and other media?

Antagonizing Russia and coddling ISIS come back to hit tourism which amounts to 11% of Turkish GDP but is now in dire straits

"Some 1,300 hotels, left on the brink of bankruptcy, are up for sale on the Aegean and Mediterranean coasts. In Antalya alone, the tourist capital of the Mediterranean coast, 410 hotels, 120 of them five-star resorts, have been put up for sale."

"Even more worrying, the number of European tourists to Turkey also fell in 2015, with visitors from Italy, France and Japan declining by 27%, 18% and 40% respectively."

How Turkey's Tourism Industry Was Sacrificed to Erdogan's Ambition

ebruary 12. /TASS-DEFENCE/. When performing a combat mission on 24 November 2015 over the territory of Syria near the border with Turkey by a missile "air - air" with the F-16 aircraft of the Turkish air force was shot down by a Russian aircraft su-24M. In response, the Russian command decided to increase the safety of pilots of airgroup Air and space forces (VKS) of the armed forces when performing combat missions in Syrian airspace and significantly enhance air defense airbase Hamim.
Cover the base
According to the theory of building anti-aircraft missile defense (ZRO), in military conflicts of low intensity, it helps to create zonal (Rubizhne) anti-aircraft missile protection of the most important objects of the military economic potential and armed forces at the most probable directions of enemy air action, and military conflict of high intensity, you need to create zonal-object (Rubino-site) backup.
The equal treatment act the base Hamim is purely objective in nature (under the protection includes all infrastructure located on the base - Approx. of the author). In addition, during the construction of the equal treatment act has been combining efforts with the forces of the air defense of other forces, particularly the Navy, as well as by forces and means of antiaircraft defense of the Syrian Arab Republic. We can say that to a certain extent at the airbase Hamim observed the implementation of the territorial principle of building a missile defense.

The inclusion in the grouping of antiaircraft missile troops in Syria promising long-range air defense missile system s-400 "Triumph" has significantly improved the level close protection of the main object – airbase Hamim, to extend the range of altitudes and speeds, destroying objectives. In addition, dramatically increased the survivability and sustainability of the group in case of intensive fire and electronic countermeasures from the hypothetical enemy.
Anti-aircraft missile system s-400. Dossier
The joint air defense
According to data from open sources in November 2015 in the area of combat actions of the Russian air group in conjunction with the armed forces of Syria was deployed to joint air defence system composed of:

The Pantsir short-range "Shell-C1";

Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM";

S-125 "Pechora-2M";

AAMS medium-range Buk-M2E;

Missile system WITH long-range s-200ve "VEGA";

S-400 "Triumph".

Moreover, to strengthen air defense system after the incident with the loss of su-24 in November 2015 it was decided to include in the joint air defense system of antiaircraft rocket complexes WITH-300ФМ "Fort-M" (missile cruiser "Moskva" and "Varyag" the areas of combat service in the coastal waters of the Eastern coast of the Mediterranean sea). Among other things, to protect the air base from aerial and space exploration in its territory deployed complexes EW "Krasuha-4".
Thus, in the short term was created grouping of forces and means, capable in case of need ensure the destruction of aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles and other flying machines of the probable air opponent, as well as conducting combat aerial reconnaissance and electronic warfare.


Three-tier defense
Moreover, it is possible to speak about a layered missile defense on the basis of groups of mixed composition SMP, army air defence, air defense forces and Navy to give her problem-solving abilities of non-strategic missile defense. The latter quality provides anti-aircraft missile system s-400 "Triumph".
In missile defence airbase Hamim can distinguish three echelons:


#Distant approaches to the defended object to provide a system of long-range – missile system s-400 "Triumph" and s s-200ve "VEGA".

#At mid-range combat with the air enemy are middle-range admc -300ФМ "Fort" and Buk-M2E.

# Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM" and s-125 "Pechora-2M".

# And, finally, as a means of direct cover of the main object and s-400 "Triumph" should be considered short-range missile and gun ad "Pantsir-S1"

JohninMK wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Three-tier protection: how does the anti-aircraft missile defense at air force Hamim work?


Three-tier defense
Moreover, it is possible to speak about a layered missile defense on the basis of groups of mixed composition SMP, army air defence, air defense forces and Navy to give her problem-solving abilities of non-strategic missile defense. The latter quality provides anti-aircraft missile system s-400 "Triumph".
In missile defence airbase Hamim can distinguish three echelons:


#Distant approaches to the defended object to provide a system of long-range – missile system s-400 "Triumph" and s s-200ve "VEGA".

#At mid-range combat with the air enemy are middle-range admc -300ФМ "Fort" and Buk-M2E.

# Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM" and s-125 "Pechora-2M".

# And, finally, as a means of direct cover of the main object and s-400 "Triumph" should be considered short-range missile and gun ad "Pantsir-S1"

Well does not Pantsir have longer range then OSA? Or I am wrong?


BTW a welcome package for Saudis/Turks?

All we have seen so far is the S-400 installation and two Pantsir systems.

No sign of any of the other systems mentioned, apart from the shipborne Fort, so assume they are SAA assets if they are in area.

franco wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Three-tier protection: how does the anti-aircraft missile defense at air force Hamim work?


Three-tier defense
Moreover, it is possible to speak about a layered missile defense on the basis of groups of mixed composition SMP, army air defence, air defense forces and Navy to give her problem-solving abilities of non-strategic missile defense. The latter quality provides anti-aircraft missile system s-400 "Triumph".
In missile defence airbase Hamim can distinguish three echelons:


#Distant approaches to the defended object to provide a system of long-range – missile system s-400 "Triumph" and s s-200ve "VEGA".

#At mid-range combat with the air enemy are middle-range admc -300ФМ "Fort" and Buk-M2E.

# Short-range SAM system "OSA-AKM" and s-125 "Pechora-2M".

# And, finally, as a means of direct cover of the main object and s-400 "Triumph" should be considered short-range missile and gun ad "Pantsir-S1"

Well does not Pantsir have longer range then OSA? Or I am wrong?


BTW a welcome package for Saudis/Turks?

All we have seen so far is the S-400 installation and two Pantsir systems.

No sign of any of the other systems mentioned, apart from the shipborne Fort, so assume they are SAA assets if they are in area.

Correct, they are talking about Syrian assets.

PapaDragon wrote:
Everyone keeps forgetting that  S-300 systems that were parked there originally were not removed. They are still active and working in conjunction with S-400, Pantsirs and Fort on Varyag.