Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

Just watched an interview with the leader of these...so called Turkmen, where he states, that Turkey shot down the SU-24 just after it had dropped it's payload on his men, and then they proceeded to open fire on the parachutists once they had ejected.

jhelb wrote:Two questions guys:

1. Wasn't the Su-24 carrying any countermeasures?

2. Some US funded analysts are tweeting that NATO needs to send in  new airborne jammers into Syria. How should Russia deal with these airbone jammers? Are there enough Krasukha 4 in place?

As far as I know, Su-24M have only the standard countermeasures developed in the 80's: chaff/flare launchers, MAWS. I guess it was not carrying any dedicated ECM pod. So yes, very easy target, especially if not taking any evasive/defensive measures.

Hollande urged to close the border between Turkey and Syria

http://ria.ru/world/20151124/1327718460.html

HOLLANDE: IT IS NECESSARY TO CLOSE THE BORDER BETWEEN TURKEY AND SYRIA NOT TO ALLOW TERRORISTS TO ENTER EUROPE

kindsa late, they are already there 5 millions of Turks in Germany and many in France

Vann7 wrote:
Well it looks like a ray of hope but a little late..but still positive..

IT looks the downed plane did not have any electronic warfare or equipment..
and Russia will be equipping their planes with several extra new measures
of counter electronics and other things to protect its airforce.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151124/1030665306/russia-syria-electronic-warfare.html

The only way to protect ourselves from F-16s is to shoot them down. If Erdogan wants a war we can give them a war.

"Turska veruje da su dva pilota iz ruskog vojnog aviona, koji je turska vojska danas oborila na granici sa Sirijom, još živi i radi na tome da ih sirijski pobunjenici puste, javlja Rojters pozivajući se na izjavu neimenovanog vladinog zvaničnika."

Turkey claims Russian pilots are alive and is working atm on their release reports Routers. That particular source also claims video of dead Russian pilot is staged/fake..whatever. Somehow i would like if this was true but i highly doubt it.

Serbian media hub: http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Svet/608964/Neimenovani-zvanicnik-Turska-veruje-da-su-ruski-piloti-zivi

So the FSA/moderate rebels make a move before the Moscow Peace talks resume on Nov 27.

BEIRUT (AFP) -
Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem will meet in Moscow Friday (Black Friday) for talks with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, an advisor to Syria's president told AFP.

http://www.france24.com/en/20151124-syria-russia-foreign-ministers-set-moscow-talks-damascus

My only question at this point is Russia giving the supposedly moderate rebels and FSA and their weapons depots, and comand centers, and advisor/trainers the Full Monte bombing they and their bullshit deserve?

Maybe not 24/7, but at least 24/3or4. Enough to upset their Thanksgiving plans.

Ibrahim Joudeh ‏@Ibra_Joudeh 23m23 minutes ago

#Russian Helicopter Crew Arrived to Safety After Being Rescued by #SAA Special Forces in #Latakia Mountains

Vladimir79 wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
Well it looks like a ray of hope but a little late..but still positive..

IT looks the downed plane did not have any electronic warfare or equipment..
and Russia will be equipping their planes with several extra new measures
of counter electronics and other things to protect its airforce.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151124/1030665306/russia-syria-electronic-warfare.html

The only way to protect ourselves from F-16s is to shoot them down.  If Erdogan wants a war we can give them a war.

Indeed.. But Wars cost money.. and popular support too and unrest in cities..
And Russia have not finished yet to liberate Syria from ISIS..which significantly limit any retaliation of Russia.. that is the most important thing. to achieve your objectives of
defeating ISIS and Alqaeda in Syria while at the same time defending your airforces without
starting a world war 3 yet..and have to fight in 2 fronts or 3 fronts if Ukraine start the attacks.
So anything Russia does will be better if done with support of France or moral support of Europe..and a United Nation resolution backing it..  

because in the end.. the whole proxy wars of Americans on Russia.. from Ukraine and Syria..
is an economic war.  Turkey stand not a chance to defeat Russia in a war..but it could damage its economy seriously ..and this is what Americans wants.. to collapse Russia economy and isolate Russia from the world. like soviet times.. This is the whole name of the game.. and to build a powerful terrorism force armed by NATO that with give an afganistan to Russia ,and that will remove Europe dependence on Russian Energy. IF putin can manage to sustain a war in syria until all Syria liberated.. it will be a HUGE victory and then arm syria with strong Air defenses and airforce and keep Turkey at distance. Thats is then when RUssia can start arming Kurds to retaliate Turkey.

moderate jihadists ..shooting the pilots

Green lemon ‏@green_lemonnn 5h5 hours ago

#PT #Syria +21 Graphic pic shows Russian jet crew with 2 holes in the chest. Possible execution by rebels.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUk8xb1UEAANVw8.jpg:large

Dima wrote:

Ibrahim Joudeh ‏@Ibra_Joudeh 23m23 minutes ago

#Russian Helicopter Crew Arrived to Safety After Being Rescued by #SAA Special Forces in #Latakia Mountains

They look like Soviet Arab Army

Stoltenberg was just on. He didn't really say much. He said that there has been contact between Ankara and Moscow, although, this is from the Russian MOD

'Efforts of Rus MoD specialists to organize coopertion with Turkish party by emergency communiction link were unsuccessful'

More bad news, if this is true

Russian military general staff says soldier died in rescue operation for fighter jet downed by Turkey - @Reuters

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Dima wrote:

Ibrahim Joudeh ‏@Ibra_Joudeh 23m23 minutes ago

#Russian Helicopter Crew Arrived to Safety After Being Rescued by #SAA Special Forces in #Latakia Mountains

They look like Soviet Arab Army

Those are clearly russian special forces.

interesting...

21:0324.11.2015 (updated: 21:07 24.11.2015)2052275
RADAR RECONNAISSANCE OF THE AIRFIELD HAMIM RECORDED THE FACT OF VIOLATION OF AIR SPACE OF SYRIA ATTACKING AIRCRAFT FROM THE TURKISH AIR FORCE, GENERAL STAFF OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION


РИА Новости http://ria.ru/syria_chronicle/20151124/1327743011.html#ixzz3sQxHrSD9


Cruiser "Moskva" will station the area near Latakia to strengthen defense
http://ria.ru/syria_mission/20151124/1327737854.html




ALL ACTIONS OF ATTACK AIRCRAFT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION IN SYRIA WILL BE CARRIED OUT ONLY UNDER THE COVER OF FIGHTER PLANES.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/syria/20151124/1327739550.html#ixzz3sQzyK6sc

Still unconfirmed but #THK's F-16Cs were waiting for the #RuAF's Su-24M to enter Turkish Airspace to shoot it down.



Babak Taghvaee ‏@BabakTaghvaee 1h1 hour ago


British dog Rorry Challand is very happy delivering the news on Al Jazeera that Russian MoD have given out a causality for a Russian marine killed during the rescue operation.

So.... marine died from helicopter crash? 3 people dead thanks to Turkey. Retaliation is a must.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Dima wrote:

Ibrahim Joudeh ‏@Ibra_Joudeh 23m23 minutes ago

#Russian Helicopter Crew Arrived to Safety After Being Rescued by #SAA Special Forces in #Latakia Mountains

They look like Soviet Arab Army

Yes, but do check the map posted above regarding the area controlled and it might have had some SAA presence. Now just wishing....just a couple more seconds in air for that Su-24, and probably the Russian pilots might have landed in the SAA controlled area. :-(

sepheronx wrote:So.... marine died from helicopter crash? 3 people dead thanks to Turkey. Retaliation is a must.

No, during the rescue ops of the SAR helicopter that was fired upon by the FSA terrorists.


News just in..
Russia to suspend military cooperation with Turkey
https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russia-suspend-military-turkey/

I just called up several people both in Russia and UK(Russians living in UK). And these are guys who have been part of the Russian military. They tell me that a Russian military response against Turkey is unlikely.

One of the best things in all this is that finally the ZOmbie Russian citizens will realize
Turkey is a terror sponsor state and their nation is at war with them..and will not travel there
anymore for any tourism or business or anything.  Russia ban the travel to Turkey for Security reasons.. permanently until that Fascist dictator in Ankara ,is kicked from power.

All these petty little moves wont make a difference to Erdogan.  What will, would be shooting down any Turk jet that enters Syrian airspace.  And launching more missiles but closer to the Turkish Border.

jhelb wrote:I just called up several people both in Russia and UK(Russians living in UK). And these are guys who have been part of the Russian military. They tell me that a Russian military response against Turkey is unlikely.

Till what point? Are Russian lives that expendable? Will more have to die till Russian government wakes up?  This will be shown signs of weakness that NATO will take advantage of.

sepheronx wrote:All these petty little moves wont make a difference to Erdogan.  What will, would be shooting down any Turk jet that enters Syrian airspace.  And launching more missiles but closer to the Turkish Border.

Yes. That time will come soon as Turkey cant stay long out of Syrian airspace to strike the Kurds. Just wait for the chance.

But before that Russia needs to bring in more Su-30SM, MiG-29, A-50 and strengthen & expand AD assets with BuK-M2 and S-300/400.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUmMaf5WUAAevmP.jpg:large

Another photo... i am posting it this way with a reason.