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    Post  Isos 18/03/18, 01:55 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
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    They gave some pantsirs to Iran.

    Iranians also produce OSA class missiles (Herz-9) and Buk copies (Raad) and who knows how many of them are in Syria? But true Russian fighters  (including Su-34) can destroy many of Tomahawks. S-400 has range 400km so what is the problem to shoot missiles over the sea? That's why A-50 is there. To provide eyes to long/medium  range missiles. Buks inclusive. .

    Buks and s 400 are semi active missiles so they need that the radar paint the target. So the range against a low flying cruise missile is something like 30 km 1nd that's when the ground is flat ...

    A 50 can't guide missiles. Maybe 9m96 active radar missiles but not buks or other long range s 400.
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    Post  miketheterrible 18/03/18, 03:11 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    They gave some pantsirs to Iran.

    Iranians also produce OSA class missiles (Herz-9) and Buk copies (Raad) and who knows how many of them are in Syria? But true Russian fighters  (including Su-34) can destroy many of Tomahawks. S-400 has range 400km so what is the problem to shoot missiles over the sea? That's why A-50 is there. To provide eyes to long/medium  range missiles. Buks inclusive. .

    Issue is, since they are low flying, it becomes hard for long range sams to take them down. I think somewhere I read about altitude vs range and more or less, the S-400 may not be able to hit it out at long ranges, nothing more than about maybe 23 - 30km range. But its all about detecting them at long ranges, and yeah, that is where low altitude radar (which usually has low detection/track range) and AWACS which would then give it long range. If those AWACS of Russia's are tied directly to the command and control units of the AD systems on the ground, then it works.

    Essentially, at the Russian bases, they created a mini-IADS. Russian IADS is more or less best in the world. Issue is, how is Syria's? Judging by the many strikes that have been done to Syria, not very good.

    Those OSA's and Pantsirs are perfect for taking down Cruise missiles and guided bombs. But they more or less have to be in the location to shoot them down, OR they have to be within a decent range of the flight path.

    Question also remains - how many of these systems were captured and destroyed since the conflict? Pantsirs I imagine are protecting vital bases of Syria within the SAA most dominant areas. But OSA's? What about those Buks? I know Israel has bombed a lot of them while they were in a moving convoy.
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    Post  Vann7 18/03/18, 04:52 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    They gave some pantsirs to Iran.
    But true Russian fighters  (including Su-34) can destroy many of Tomahawks. S-400 has range 400km so what is the problem to shoot missiles over the sea? That's why A-50 is there. To provide eyes to long/medium  range missiles. Buks inclusive. .

    The problem is geography..
    Syria is not surrounded by sea.. it have land in 3 of 4 sides..
    So Americans can launch cruise missiles from Persian Gulf ,crossing IRAQ and then Syria... hugging terrain..
    or they can launch them from Red Sea ->jordan and then Syria.. or from mediterranean sea ->Israel ->Jordan and
    then turn around in Syria.

    So you can't intercept them firing missiles towards Jordan airspace or Israel airspace.. you need to wait the missiles
    enter in Syria territory ,this is if you want to avoid a major military confrontation with neighboring countries for invading their airspace.

    Because earth have curvature , then at about 50km to 60km distance ,the missiles will not be detected by radars ,even if there is only sea. A-50 are the most ideal plane for early detection of Cruise missiles ..because can see behind mountains ,,if you fly high.. and S-400s is not the ideal weapon for cruise missiles. in terms of economic /ratio..
    because their range will not be used ,but wasted.. For cruise missiles is better to have short range air defenses..
    something like TOR defenses of Pantsir.. and then you deploy those defenses as close as possible to the borders of Syria for early detection..

    So is quite likely that if americans attack Syria will do it taking advantage of the hills and irregular terrain in jordan and iraq.. to try to hide the missiles.. If they attack from the sea.. then it risk Russia warships intercepting them in the water.. way before enter in Syria territory. Apparently right now US have warships in red sea and mediterranean.

    however in my opinion the best kind of weapon to stop cruise missiles is laser or offensive electronics that turn off the engine of the missile. Russia claimed some time ago ,that its counter electronic warfare can turn off  any electronics or communications. and damage its electronics.. Energy weapons is the ideal way.. because you have unlimited ammo..
    is just one small reactor with energy guns..

    laser gun melts the missiles from distance safely and you have unlimited ammo and Electronic weapons break the electric parts of the missile.. so turn it off the engine..and might not even explode.. if the detonation depends on electronics.. that is.. Fortunately Russia have both.. but not sure if they will want to show their toys to NATO too early.

    Using Combat planes to shutdown cruise missiles is possible ,but dangerous if the fragments hit your plane..and you need big territory and space to chase missiles.. Verba manpads also can target cruise missiles.. you deploy soldiers at the borders of Syria , waiting for any missile ,and then fire at them...

    but Electronic gun attacks is the future.. it can hijack a drone ,ask IRAN , or it can blind a missile or take control of it..
    and it even can be used to kill people behind a wall.. or a rock..and kill soldiers inside a tank.. so is a very elegant solution... Russian defense industry is working in an electronic warfare weapon to shut down satellites.. so the possibilities are endless..  Counter electronics weapons can literary stop without using missiles swam of drones ,in the hundreds or thousands.. it can disable GPS.. so is simply the future.
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    Post  Airman 18/03/18, 08:49 pm

    #Syria With the morning dawn final push of Syrian rebels and Turkish Army into #Afrin city started. Defense line of YPG collapsed. Majority of the city was already captured | Suriye Gündemi
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    Post  GarryB 18/03/18, 09:13 pm

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    Holy shit that guy is either very brave or very stupid... even leaning on the grenade launcher it will still jump up with bursts of fire... and if those grenades don't fit through that hole they will bounce back into his face and after a second or so will explode... really dangerous.

    What he should be doing is pulling it back a couple of metres and shooting over the wall... he will still be safe, and will be able to engage targets much further away if he wanted to, and reduce the risk of a 30mm grenade exploding in his face to almost zero.


    Actually from what i am aware amounts of such agens that remain are marked with specific markers so they can be traced if they emerge somewhere on black market same applies to chemical components that can be used for production of chemical weapons. That is how certain chemical components used in Iraqi chemical weapons were traced back to Germany and Netherlands.

    Indeed, but the Russians never actually made this agent and even if they did why would they put markers in to identify that they made the stuff?

    If a western power made this substance... and several of them did... could they not match exactly the stuff that would have been made in Russia... these markers are put in during making... they are an intentional thing...

    Perhaps that is why the UK wont hand over any samples to anyone because they knew the only valid agent has western markers in it because it was never actually made in the soviet union.

    didnt maker of this agent moved to USA after USSR was murdered? Didnt US have access in 90s to this?

    Various experts left the Soviet Union and worked in the US, the UK, and the Netherlands... and I think someone said Switzerland, but I am not sure I believe that.

    According to Russia , NATO warships are positioning for a strike in Syria.

    With an AWACS aircraft airborne defending against cruise missiles is most efficient with fighter aircraft... they could fill a couple of Su-35s and Su-30s and Su-34s with AAMs... R-27s and R-73s would be fine...

    If US launched lets say 200 cruise missiles at Syria, it would require 50 pantsirs in the location (in theory) since per pantsir can hit a maximum of 4 targets at once. But since the missiles would be coming from different directions, I would maybe halve that to about 25 pantsirs needed for the whole strike as they wouldn't be engaging all 200 cruise missiles at once.

    One AWACS platform and a dozen fighter planes with AAMs would give 200 cruise missiles a hammering, and the remaining missiles would have alert air defences to penetrate... the AWACS aircraft could provide target data for the S-400 batteries to engage the targets directly... Su-35s and Su-30s could probably track down the cruise missiles on their own while Su-25s could be directed by AWACS and use R-73s or even R-60MKs to shoot down the missiles.

    An alerted air defence unit armed with Igla-S or Verba missiles could easily shoot down cruise missiles... in fact the SA-8 OSA was very capable of shooting down cruise missiles and managed to kill quite a few in Desert Storm reportedly. They are rather more effective against cruise missiles than against aircraft... the OSA is used in its naval form to shoot down subsonic cruise missiles like Harpoon and Exocet.

    So you can't intercept them firing missiles towards Jordan airspace or Israel airspace.. you need to wait the missiles
    enter in Syria territory ,this is if you want to avoid a major military confrontation with neighboring countries for invading their airspace.

    Once the first missile has crossed foreign territory Syria and Russia could open fire... do you think Israel would wait until IRBMs launched from Iran have passed foreign airspace and are in Israeli airspace?

    A 50 can't guide missiles. Maybe 9m96 active radar missiles but not buks or other long range s 400.

    Why do you think A-50 can't, ...A-50U is a radar... why do you think it can use radar reflected off cruise missiles to locate and track them, but can't reflect a radar beam to illuminate their position for attack?
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    Post  Airman 18/03/18, 09:38 pm

    Turkey, Free Syrian Army take complete control of Afrin: Erdoğan
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    Post  Isos 18/03/18, 09:41 pm

    Why do you think A-50 can't, ...A-50U is a radar... why do you think it can use radar reflected off cruise missiles to locate and track them, but can't reflect a radar beam to illuminate their position for attack?

    Because if I'm not wrong A-50U uses L band and s-400 missiles don't. L-band is not known to be precise enough for semi active missile's use

    Semi active radar seeker is coupled with one type of radar not all. But active radar can be guided by all if they have the good data link to send it coordonates.
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    Post  calm 19/03/18, 01:37 am

    200 to 470.000 civilians forced out of their homes in Afrin.

    Turkish backed "rebels" in Afrin

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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond 19/03/18, 01:52 am

    calm wrote:200 to 470.000 civilians forced out of their homes in Afrin.

    Turkish backed "rebels" in Afrin

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    Well I remember days when PKK/YPG donkeys load dead FSA fighters on trucks and showing corpses off in the streets.

    These guys are Arabs, one can easily detect the difference between Turkmen Syrians and Arab Syrians.. That is what Turkey has at the moment..

    Fled civilians can come back but they wont, because they were supporting PKK and one can imagine how they feel about it...
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    Post  Vann7 19/03/18, 05:08 am



    All this gains of ERdogan in AFRIN and northen Syrian are temporary.
    Every territorial gain in Syria can be reversed with just a major coup ,removing him from Power by the opposition.
    Turkey soldiers demanded to return to turkey and abandon this illegal occupation of Syria, and Russia ,Syria and IRAN will have free hand to bomb the terrorist FSA that is left. And if Americans Abandon their kurds positions as there are possibilities they will do ,after some time , then Syrian army will retake control of all their zones again after reaching
    an agrement with Kurds.. Kurds are like Ukraine is to Russia... Their economies both depend of the state they want to distance. Because Kurds zones in North of Syria is a land locked region.. then any plane or trade will have to be done
    invading Syria airspace..or turkey airspace or iRAQ airspace or traveling using their land. Moral of the story is ,Not every country or region can be independent.. this is fantasy. So this means that Americans military planes will be Kurds only way of doing business with the outside world. So is possible that Americans will see ,that their alliance with Kurds is not worth of it. what they get ,versus the cost.. Only way Kurds can be profitable for Americans is if they accept to take the role of ISIS ,and start fighting against Russia and Syria . but im sure they will be a little less idiots this time ,they should be suspicious already ,that they can't place all their bets in Americans.. because they are only in Syria for their interest and not Kurds ones... reason why US did not move a finger to protect Kurds in afrin.

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    Post  par far 19/03/18, 05:30 am

    "AFRIN SELF-ADMINISTRATION BLAMES RUSSIA FOR FALL OF AFRIN, SAYS NEW PHASE OF BATTLE BEGINS."

    Kurds have no one to blame but themselves, they became lapdogs of Uncle Scum Bag and payed the price.

    https://southfront.org/afrin-self-administration-blames-russia-for-fall-of-afrin-says-new-phase-of-battle-begins/
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    Post  Kimppis 19/03/18, 06:30 am

    There won't be any new coup attempts, I think we can be quite certain about that. And who would replace Erdogan? Some pro-NATO guy? Not good for Russia either. AFAIK, Erdogan is quite popular and all/most pro-coup elements have been purged.
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    Post  par far 19/03/18, 06:50 am

    "Syria's president visits troops in Eastern Ghouta near Damascus."

    Pretty brave of Assad doing this, not many heads of state visit front lines.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/03/18/555867/Assad-Eastern-Ghouta-troops
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond 19/03/18, 06:53 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    All this gains of ERdogan in AFRIN and northen Syrian are temporary.
    Every territorial gain in Syria can be reversed with just a major coup ,removing him from Power by the opposition.
    Turkey soldiers demanded to return to turkey and abandon this illegal occupation of Syria, and Russia ,Syria and IRAN will have free hand to bomb the terrorist FSA that is left.  And if Americans Abandon their kurds positions as there are possibilities they will do ,after some time , then Syrian army will retake control of all their zones again after reaching
    an agrement with Kurds.. Kurds are like Ukraine is to Russia... Their economies both depend of the state they want to distance. Because Kurds zones in North of Syria is a land locked region.. then any plane or trade will have to be done
    invading Syria airspace..or turkey airspace or iRAQ airspace or traveling using their land.  Moral of the story is ,Not every country or region can be independent.. this is fantasy. So this means that Americans military planes will be Kurds only way of doing business  with the outside world. So is possible that Americans will see ,that their alliance with Kurds is not worth of it. what they get ,versus the cost..  Only way Kurds can be profitable for Americans is if they accept to take the role of ISIS ,and start fighting against Russia and Syria . but im sure they will be a little less idiots this time ,they should be suspicious already ,that they can't place all their bets in Americans.. because they are only in Syria for their interest and not Kurds ones... reason why US did not move a finger to protect Kurds in afrin.


    Coup by whom? This anti-PKK operation is being conducted by Turkish Army already. If you refer to NATO guys, they have already tried and let me say that if any pro-NATO faction assumes power then it would be even worse for current Syrian regime since they would completely follow their masters' footsteps.

    Turkey is not interested in grabbing Syrian land. Turkish aim is obvious, prevent any PKK attempt to create a safe heaven for themselves. Namely "canton"s.

    Many people here underestimate what Astana means in general, but in fact it is significant.

    Neither Assad regime nor the current opposition is the best option for Syria. Syria still has only and one party, which is the Baath party, ruled by Assad family. There are about 4 million Syrians in Turkey, and possibly almost half of the Syrian population is now in refugee status and not welcomed by current regime. These are catastrophic.

    Definitely, solution for Syria is not partition, neither in federal level nor in state level. Turkey urged FSA factions to use the name "Syrian Arab Republic" to refer their association. But so called SDF monkeys create so called cantons all across Syria..

    I remind, observation posts around Idlib were agreed upon Astana agreements and recent Afrin op. was clearly explained to Russian counterparts. As long as Turkish forces are not attacked, they will not cause any further escalation between warring sides. In this context, I must say that some skirmishes between TFSA and SAA in Bab region were all ignored by TSK and only responded if pre-declared Turkish positions are targeted.

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    Post  Isos 19/03/18, 07:53 am

    Syrian sukhoi fighter destroyed in Damas. Ground fire.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov 19/03/18, 08:52 am

    par far wrote:"AFRIN SELF-ADMINISTRATION BLAMES RUSSIA FOR FALL OF AFRIN, SAYS NEW PHASE OF BATTLE BEGINS."

    Kurds have no one to blame but themselves, they became lapdogs of Uncle Scum Bag and payed the price.

    https://southfront.org/afrin-self-administration-blames-russia-for-fall-of-afrin-says-new-phase-of-battle-begins/

    Idiots, by doing these targets you doom your people that gives the turks reasons to come down harder and harder on them.

    Surrendering to Assad was the only logical choice, in reality, All those guys of their that died were utterly pointless it was not a fight they could have won.



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    Post  GunshipDemocracy 19/03/18, 11:55 am

    Isos wrote:
    Why do you think A-50 can't, ...A-50U is a radar... why do you think it can use radar reflected off cruise missiles to locate and track them, but can't reflect a radar beam to illuminate their position for attack?

    Because if I'm not wrong A-50U uses L band and s-400 missiles don't. L-band is not known to be precise enough for semi active missile's use

    Semi active radar seeker is coupled with one type of radar not all. But active radar can be guided by all if they have the good data link to send it coordonates.


    Do you suggest that S-400 is not able to cooperate with A-50? So own AADs and AWACS cannot talk each other? Then why Russians would build AWACS at first
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    Post  calm 19/03/18, 12:10 pm

    US-led coalition is planing for an all in attack against the SAA very soon, the attack will be very large and aimed at capturing the border with Iraq and even possible positions near Homs-Damascus highway ... almost full invasion like Iraq 2003
    https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/975504708495396864

    Take this with giant grain of salt
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    Post  Isos 19/03/18, 12:59 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Why do you think A-50 can't, ...A-50U is a radar... why do you think it can use radar reflected off cruise missiles to locate and track them, but can't reflect a radar beam to illuminate their position for attack?

    Because if I'm not wrong A-50U uses L band and s-400 missiles don't. L-band is not known to be precise enough for semi active missile's use

    Semi active radar seeker is coupled with one type of radar not all. But active radar can be guided by all if they have the good data link to send it coordonates.


    Do you suggest that S-400 is not able to cooperate with A-50? So own AADs and AWACS cannot talk each other? Then why  Russians would build AWACS at first

    Guiding a missile and communicating is not the same ...

    The crew can say to the ground there is a missile here but if the ground radar can't see it, it can't engage the missile.

    I have never seen a report saying a-50 can guide s-400 semi active radar and provide the final illumination to destroy the target. Maybe you have some info about that that I haven't seen ?
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    Post  Vann7 19/03/18, 01:40 pm

    Isos wrote:

    Guiding a missile and communicating is not the same ...

    The crew can say to the ground there is a missile here but if the ground radar can't see it, it can't engage the missile.

    I have never seen a report saying a-50 can guide s-400 semi active radar and provide the final illumination to destroy the target. Maybe you have some info about that that I haven't seen ?

    Please stop arguing if you have no idea of what you are discussing at all..

    What difference makes.. if you take an advance ground radar ,and modify it ,to mount it on TOP on an airplane?


    Don't you see the huge radar in this picture ?

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    Both will detect equally missiles.. or anything..that emit radio signals..

    The BIG  Advantage the A-50 have over ground radars ,is that is looking downwards.. (instead of upwards like ground radars ) and if the plane fly high.. it can look ,detect and track and provide interception path of any plane or missile flying low ,behind mountains and hugging terrain. it doesn't need to "illuminate the target.." are you crazy?
    you only do that with lazer..  all that it needs to do is a radio communication with the missile fired  ,to tell the missile
    where the plane or the cruise missiles is located. even behind a large mountain.. A-50 is a flying Radar.

    So it can be very useful ,very helpful to an S-400 system or Any air defense..because will see more closer to the ground ,while traddional Ground radars look upwards.. and depend on line of sight..but anything behind a hill or mountain will not be seen.. So an S-400 system is far from enough.. You need AWACS , you Need a strong Airforce too.. and short range defenses to protect the S-400s.. otherwise.. if you only use S-400s long range missiles ,for everything ,then it will an incredible waste of money ,to use it to targets at 30km.. not using it for long range targets.
    For Cruise missiles is better to use Short Range air defense with very small ,quick turn +fast missiles.
    TORS ,Pantsirs and Buks ,the all terrain version are the most ideal anti air defense against cruise missiles.. because they can be deployed close to the borders ..and target missiles at visual distance at the moment they will enter..from safe distance.

    But the ultimate weapons as i said is Counter Electronic warfare..you simply turn off the missile and it will fall in sand.
    This is assuming Russia was not lying ,when it was advertising non stop ,in SPutnik ,what their electronic warfare can do..  Laser weapons also can do the job  too ,but weather can be problematic its operations. also special forces using verba manpads can do it too... cheap and fast and stealthy. without revealing enemies at the borders of your location.

    A-50 can guide planes ,missiles and drones to enemy positions ,and provide interception solution ,but also can even spot enemy positions using radio hardware. Unfortunately Russia don't have many of those planes i think.. but in
    any case.. Syria battle field is the worse possible place in the world ,for Russia to fight with Syria surrounded by Terrorist sponsor nations ,including Turkey ,Jordan and Israel...and with NATO already flying freely their planes..
    So such huge plane could be attacked by "ISIS drones" as Americans claims..  So is very risky...

    here is another "flying" radar..

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    Used to track low flying planes or anything flying low.. It have a giant parabolic antenna looking downwards..
    to spy on low flying planes.. is also used to catch drug traffiqers.. on mono planes that fly low..
    But Aerostats is not ideal for Syria , too many terrorist with such huge target..

    But A-50-  Russia can use them ,either to provide targeting solution or provide real time positioning of the incoming missile or plane..so that Ground Air defenses can aim in that direction.. or counter electronic warfare shut it down.
    This also will not Allow Israel airforce to penetrate Syria airspace flying low.. behind Mountains and valleys to
    fly under the radar belly of Syrian air defenses.    

    IF all you do for Air defense is just use an S-400 ,then you are doing something really wrong.. S-400s are supposed to be used in a network of air defenses.. with short and long defenses , with Air Force combat planes to push away any enemy invader.. and A-50 AWACS ,this is to extend the zone of air security far away of your country borders.. all the way to ground level. But as said Syria battle field is a very complex battle field , one where terrorist artillery provided by NATO and drones are at range of Russia military base.. So Russia can't just sent their best awacs to a war zone ,that the airspace is close to contested at times ,with air battles from time to time.
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    Post  Isos 20/03/18, 06:24 am

    . it doesn't need to "illuminate the target.." are you crazy?
    you only do that with lazer.. all that it needs to do is a radio communication with the missile fired ,to tell the missile
    where the plane or the cruise missiles is located. even behind a large mountain.. A-50 is a flying Radar.

    Google "missile guidance type". S-400 are not using radio guidance like tors or pantsirs but semi active radar guidance so the missile needs the ground radar to illuminate or lock on the target so that the missile can hit. Unless they use 9m96 which are active radar missiles.

    A-50 radar can't be used to direct missile on the target unless you have an official report suggesting that.
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    Post  par far 20/03/18, 08:33 am

    "US ESTABLISHING MILITARY FACILITY IN OIL RICH AREA IN DEIR EZZOR PROVINCE – REPORTS."

    The dumb idiotic Kurds were used and now they are flushed like used toilet paper. These asshole Kurds just gave Eastern to Uncle Scum Bag.

    https://southfront.org/us-establishing-military-facility-in-oil-rich-area-in-deir-ezzor-province-reports/

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    Post  JohninMK 20/03/18, 08:59 am

    Really not sure of this as this info must be pretty secret, so treat with caution until/if it happens!


    Within Syria
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    39m39 minutes ago

    In black the main targets of the supposed US-led coalition invasion, and in blue the secondary targets ... in orange key positions that will likely be captured during the first phase of the "invasion"  ... this map is based on the information that I received


    Syrian War: News #17 - Page 17 DYrJBSgWAAExBE7


    Also see similar at https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803191062696904-us-syria-army-attack-iraq/
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    Post  Isos 20/03/18, 09:35 am

    JohninMK wrote:Really not sure of this as this info must be pretty secret, so treat with caution until/if it happens!


    Within Syria
    ‏ @WithinSyriaBlog
    39m39 minutes ago

    In black the main targets of the supposed US-led coalition invasion, and in blue the secondary targets ... in orange key positions that will likely be captured during the first phase of the "invasion"  ... this map is based on the information that I received


    ]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYrJBSgWAAExBE7.jpg[/img]


    Also see similar at https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803191062696904-us-syria-army-attack-iraq/

    Aren't russians in those left targets around Damascus ?

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