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    lulldapull

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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  lulldapull on Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:58 am

    Yes Syrian govt is warning citizens not believe bullshit western hollywood stories of a massed attack with 100's of tomahawks.

    What we can confirm so far is that only 30 missiles were detected and the Syrian AD engaged these missiles and shot down 10 of them.

    The other 20 that escaped did little to no damage within Syria.

    Shit, so far no one was even reported killed.

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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:07 am

    People need to remember , that what we see in Syria now is War Games..
    That Russia and NATO agree to play ,in order to a limited fight without provoking a world war 3..
    Is like a duel ..

    But Air defenses not matter how good they are.. They are not supposed to work alone
    Just parked in a place and then allow NATO to continue trying and trying bombing them ,developing new
    tactics to defeat the air defenses..  In a real war ..Russia airforce will NOT allow NATO warships to get close
    to their positions.. and organize. .and push those warships beyond their range of attack.. So if the warships
    have cruise missiles with 1,500km range.. then Russia airforce and navy push them back.. so they dont strike
    and try to sink them ,before they start any attack..

    In a real war..with no rules of engagements .. one side can do a preventive surprise attack..
    position all their submarines and boom ambush and sink all NATO navies by surprise attack..
    So that said.. Air defenses are not supposed to work ever that way.. alone that is.
    Airforce and Navy need to go on the offensive too ,to push away enemy forces from your borders.
    So in a real war. Russia use iskanders and strike American military bases in Turkey and Jordan and israel..
    so not even allow any NATO airforce to even taikeoff.. and organize. and warships sinked by surprise..

    So S-400s alone , or Pantsirs alone will never be enough.. Is only when you combine Air ,Ground and naval forces ,
    with  Long med and short air defenses.. and with electronic warfare.. that you can create a very strong area denial ..
    for NATO.  and Push their warships far away of their battle range of their missiles. in kalingrad ,Russia will not have enough room for movement either.. is surrounded by enemies.. and artillery can hit their defenses.. but in Russia main land.. Russia will have air supremacy always over NATO ,if they choose to help Ukraine and invade Russia.. then they will not handle a candle to the overwhelming superiority of Russian combined forces.. and NATO warship will not have a chance to get close to Russia in a real conflict. in a fight in the black sea.. Russia can dominate too.. even without using warships.. can push NATO navies away from it. if there was a real war.

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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:31 am

    100+ missiles launched at Syrian military & civilian objects, many intercepted – Russian military



    The majority of rockets fired in Syria by the UK, US, and France were intercepted by Syrian air defense systems, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
    The warplanes and vessels of the US and its allies launched over 100 cruise missiles and air-surface missiles on Syrian civil and military facilities, the ministry stated.


    https://www.rt.com/news/424103-100-missiles-launched-at-syria/


    So my take is most missiles were intercepted or jammed to crash on ground..

    1 NATO missile intercepted over damascus..




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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  lulldapull on Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:09 am

    damage reports indicate that only three civilians slightly injured. Nothing else to report.

    wtf, was this an attack or a joke?........lol.......This was a joke.

    Maybe Trump attacks tomorrow with real weapons this time?.......wtf......lol
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:19 am

    So it looks like Russian systems did engage the NATO missiles. I think 100 is somebody rounding up 50-60 (one Areleigh Burke load).
    Syria is claiming only 30 missiles detected. Ignoring failed detections, we have about 40-50% of the NATO missiles intercepted by
    Russian systems and a similar percentage (15+/- out of 30) by Syrian systems. Syria's flat terrain makes taking out cruise missiles
    easier since they can't hide behind topography (in relevant regions such as around Damascus). The 2017 attack had similar statistics.

    I do not understand why NATO launched such a weak attack. Seems like some sort of backroom dealing went down.
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:20 am

    lulldapull wrote:damage reports indicate that only three civilians slightly injured. Nothing else to report.

    wtf, was this an attack or a joke?........lol.......This was a joke.

    Maybe Trump attacks tomorrow with real weapons this time?.......wtf......lol

    That is quite possible. The NATO hyenas need to see Syrian blood. Trump could be impeached over a
    weak attack.

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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Austin on Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:37 am

    RF MOD confirm 100 plus cruise missile launched , most were intercepted by Syrian AD with SA-6 , Upgraded SA-3 , SA-2 and BUK-M1 all soviet system MOD says.

    So this is a triump of Syrian AD guided by Russian system though Russian AD did not directly defend any thing as Russian MOD says ......So even the 60-70's SAM works well against Tomahawk and more modern Stealthy JASSAM launched from B-1.

    Need to wait for NATO BDA but the low effectiveness of NATO Stand Off Weapons is due to

    1 ) Absense of Sustained Jamming of Radar and AD system that NATO is so familiar with and does in every war ...Cant do it here due to fear of Russian Counter JAmming

    2 ) Preffered Great Stand off Distance to launch this Missile against Syrian Target , make AD job littler easier in terms of tracking the target and discriminating between decoys/Missile etc

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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  lulldapull on Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:38 am

    I don't believe anyone is even afraid of tomahawk strike anymore......this weapon system is now officially junk! They need to use something else, but I don't think these guys have anything else.....lol


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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:04 am

    Austin wrote:RF MOD confirm 100 plus cruise missile launched , most were intercepted  by Syrian AD with SA-6 , Upgraded SA-3 , SA-2 and BUK-M1 all soviet system MOD says.

    So this is a triump of  Syrian AD guided by Russian system though Russian AD did not directly defend any thing as Russian MOD says ......So even the 60-70's SAM works well against Tomahawk and more modern Stealthy JASSAM launched from B-1.

    Need to wait for NATO BDA but the low effectiveness of NATO Stand Off Weapons is due to

    1 ) Absense of Sustained Jamming of Radar and AD system that NATO is so familiar with and does in every war ...Cant do it here due to fear of Russian Counter JAmming

    2 ) Preffered Great Stand off Distance to launch this Missile against Syrian Target , make AD job littler easier in terms of tracking the target and discriminating between decoys/Missile etc

    While the Russian's didn't fire any missiles, sounds like they gave the Syrians a lot of help in detecting the missiles...apparently 1 or 2 A-50's took part as well


    lulldapull wrote:I don't believe anyone is even afraid of tomahawk strike anymore......this weapon system is now officially junk! They need to use something else, but I don't think these guys have anything else.....lol

    They're not wonder weapons but Tomahawks are still quite effective. Plus they're fairly regularly upgraded.

    Also, Syria's Air-defences have noticeably improved. They also regularly manage to intercept Israeli missiles including Short range Ballistic missiles if some reports are to be believed

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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:32 am

    Austin wrote:RF MOD confirm 100 plus cruise missile launched , most were intercepted  by Syrian AD with SA-6 , Upgraded SA-3 , SA-2 and BUK-M1 all soviet system MOD says.

    So this is a triump of  Syrian AD guided by Russian system though Russian AD did not directly defend any thing as Russian MOD says ......So even the 60-70's SAM works well against Tomahawk and more modern Stealthy JASSAM launched from B-1.

    Need to wait for NATO BDA but the low effectiveness of NATO Stand Off Weapons is due to

    1 ) Absense of Sustained Jamming of Radar and AD system that NATO is so familiar with and does in every war ...Cant do it here due to fear of Russian Counter JAmming

    2 ) Preffered Great Stand off Distance to launch this Missile against Syrian Target , make AD job littler easier in terms of tracking the target and discriminating between decoys/Missile etc

    you info updated... next..



    The majority of rockets fired in Syria by the UK, US, and France were intercepted by Syrian air defense systems, the Russian Defense Ministry said. Russian air defense units were not involved in repelling the attack.
    The warplanes and vessels of the US and its allies launched over 100 cruise missiles and air-surface missiles on Syrian civil and military facilities, the ministry stated.

    The strikes were conducted by two US ships stationed in the Red Sea, with tactical air support from the Mediterranean and Rockwell B-1 Lancer bombers from Al-Tanf coalition airbase in Syria’s Homs province, according to the statement.

    Syrian Al-Dumayr Military Airport, located 40 km north-east from Damascus, was attacked by 12 cruise missiles,  the Russian MoD confirmed, adding that all missiles were intercepted by Syrian air defense systems.

    To repel the attack, Damascus deployed Soviet-made surface-to-air missile systems, including S-125 (NATO reporting name: SA-3 Goa), S-200 (SA-5 Gammon), 2K12 Kub (SA-6 Gainful) and Buk.
    Read more
    Syria air defences strike back after airstrikes by US, British and French forces in Damascus, Syria in this still image obtained from video dated early April 14, 2018. SYRIA TV via Syria's surface-to-air missiles counter US-led strikes (VIDEO)
    Russia did not deploy its air defense systems located in Syria to intercept the American, British, and French missiles.

    Earlier, the ministry issued a statement saying that none of the missiles launched by the US and its allies reached the Russian air defense zones that shield facilities in the port city of Tartus and Khmeimim Air Base


    So Russia will be making a lot of money selling air defenses after this.. lol1
    Imagine that all non aligned countries with NATO start buying in mass Russia air defenses ,now..
    means NATO will need to use at least 300 missiles in order to hit any country..
    SO for sure this will make US,france and britain to go to the drawing board and build better missiles.

    Anyone knows which missiles Syria intercepted from Britain and France?



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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  nomadski on Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:38 am

    So Trump attacked . A " limited " attack . A warning of more to come . So we want to put bridges across river . Then we can not do this without interference . So we decided to tip toe into WW3 . So let's tip toe into it . A limited retaliation of similar size is needed . A proportional response . My suggestion . Mine around the Yank bases in North Syria . Using missiles . Inflict similar losses on them . Declare ownership of operation . A hundred missiles in response .

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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:48 am

    nomadski wrote:
    So Trump attacked . A " limited " attack . A warning of more to come . So we want to put bridges across river . Then we can not do this without interference . So we decided to tip toe into WW3 . So let's tip toe into it . A limited retaliation of similar size is needed . A proportional response . My suggestion . Mine around the Yank bases Iin North Syria . Using missiles . Inflict similar losses on them . Declare ownership of operation .


    tactically speaking.. Russia will benefit enormously of NATO attacking Syria every month like this..
    Because it will help Russia to perfection its air defenses.. without having to use S-400s and S-300..
    So is like a tricky question... Russia will get no better training / practice in the world than in Syria
    intercepting NATO missiles. This will significantly help Russia to protect its own country ,by enhancing
    and modifying its air defenses until they achieve a 97% to 100% interception rate.. The only negative thing will be human casualties that could happen ,and the humiliation of not responding.


    Anyone knows which Missiles France and UK was firing on Syria ? Suspect



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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Visc on Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:59 am

    The aftermath of airstrikes Laughing







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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  medo on Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:03 am

    I wonder, how many missiles were shot down by Russian fighter jets, before they reach Syrian air space over sea or Lebanon. If FUKUS launch over 120 missiles and around 20 come to targets and around 20 were shot down by Syrian air defense, than the rest could be shot down by Sukhois.
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  medo on Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:05 am

    Vann7 wrote:Anyone knows which Missiles France and UK was firing on Syria ? Suspect

    I think Scalp and Storm Shadow missiles.



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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:11 am

    medo wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Anyone knows which Missiles France and UK was firing on Syria ? Suspect

    I think Scalp and Storm Shadow missiles.



    LOLOLOLOLOL
    And this is the missile that the French Troll was saying will bypass Russia air defenses?  lol1
    is supposed to be "Stealth" but Syrian army wasn't told about it..  lol1  





    Storm Shadow is a British, French and Italian low-observable air-launched cruise missile, manufactured by MBDA. Storm Shadow is the British name for the weapon; in French service it is called SCALP EG .

    Russia will become very rich selling air defenses.

    A couple of dozens of best european "stealth missiles" were intercepted with Soviets era
    air defenses>? . So now the frenchy troll will apologize? 
    something like this will be so embarrassing for Europe defense industry.Wink



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