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    Russian Navy: Status & News #4

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:01 am

    He pointed out that it will showcase the Northern Fleet’s ability to reach the Okhotsk Sea from its bases in Murmansk, navigating eastward for thousands of miles through the icy waters of the Arctic Ocean on Russia’s northern rim. ..
    Everything suggests that Vostok 2018 will offer Russia the opportunity to both test and showcase its improved capabilities – reasserting once again its status as a military superpower that can deploy in the east as well as the west.
    http://www.atimes.com/article/the-view-from-moscow-a-powerful-signal-to-the-world/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=4b106360f6-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_11_11_43&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-4b106360f6-31607385
    It will be interesting to find which ships will go there.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:07 am


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  hoom on Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:34 am

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  littlerabbit on Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:00 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
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    Is that Chinese frigate type 54A at 1:11?! Very Happy

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  hoom on Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:44 pm

    Is that Chinese frigate type 54A at 1:11?! Very Happy
    Sarcasm?
    Thats De Ruyter of Dutch De Zeven Provinciën class.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  miroslav on Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:38 am

    hoom wrote:
    Is that Chinese frigate type 54A at 1:11?! Very Happy
    Sarcasm?
    Thats De Ruyter of Dutch De Zeven Provinciën class.

    The Dutch are involved in the exercise, very nice indeed.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:52 am


    Looks like old nuke storage facilities have reached their expiration date:

    Satellite images reveal Russian navy’s massive rearmament on Kola Peninsula

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/node/4370

    Despite bombastic title surprisingly reasonable article all things considered...
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:12 am

    miroslav wrote:Thats De Ruyter of Dutch De Zeven Provinciën class. The Dutch are involved in the exercise, very nice indeed.
    No, they r just monitoring it. No1 invited them to participate.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  franco on Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:20 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Looks like old nuke storage facilities have reached their expiration date:

    Satellite images reveal Russian navy’s massive rearmament on Kola Peninsula

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/node/4370

    Despite bombastic title surprisingly reasonable article all things considered...

    Just part of the Russian rebuilding of it's munition storage units. The Naval nuclear warhead's storage depot for the Northern Fleet is at Shcukozero, which is mentioned but no photo provided. The new standard munition shed is capable of storing 240,000 kgs each.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  miroslav on Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:00 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    miroslav wrote:Thats De Ruyter of Dutch De Zeven Provinciën class. The Dutch are involved in the exercise, very nice indeed.
    No, they r just monitoring it. No1 invited them to participate.

    word!
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Isos on Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:46 pm

    hoom wrote:
    Is that Chinese frigate type 54A at 1:11?! Very Happy
    Sarcasm?
    Thats De Ruyter of Dutch De Zeven Provinciën class.

    That's just a target tongue lol!
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #5

    Post  Isos on Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:47 pm

    Maybe a sign that russia could buy some as someone already suggested here.


    https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1046713575203655682


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:18 am

    And if Trump accepts their invitation and goes to Russia will they be buying that too?

    With the capacity for two medium helos... what would be the point?

    They have developed the Ka-52K and I suspect they want a Mistral capacity vessel or bigger and better armed to operate them from...
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  verkhoturye51 on Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:They have developed the Ka-52K and I suspect they want a Mistral capacity vessel or bigger and better armed to operate them from...

    Yes and even if they'd want vessel in the approximately same size, they've developed Ivan Gren class. I bet it's way cheaper to buy domestic made vessels than South Korean.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  littlerabbit on Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:22 pm

    hoom wrote:
    Is that Chinese frigate type 54A at 1:11?! Very Happy
    Sarcasm?
    Thats De Ruyter of Dutch De Zeven Provinciën class.

    No sarcasm... Very Happy

    https://youtu.be/BrRY5j_13Ew
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  eehnie on Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:43 am

    Isos wrote:Maybe a sign that russia could buy some as someone already suggested here.


    https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1046713575203655682


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:33 am

    There are problems in the defense of the sea borders of Russia
    At present, the frigate of the Black Sea Fleet “Admiral Makarov” (has on board 8 cruise missiles of the “Caliber-NK” type, similar to “Tomahawk”) is already passing the Bosphorus, returning to Sevastopol. On September 2, the small squadron of Project 21631 (code “Buyan-M”) “Grad Sviyazhsk” and “Veliky Ustyug” (each with 8 “Calibers”) left the squadron. Thus, if earlier the Mediterranean grouping of the Russian Navy had just over 10 pennants, now it has shrunk by a third.
    By the way, 56 Caliber missiles accounted for the entire group. Now the number of cruise missiles, apparently, was reduced to 32.
    http://www.ng.ru/armies/2018-10-04/100_181004nato.html
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Hole on Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:14 am

    Didn´t know that Russia bordered the Med. dunno

    Which moron wrote this piece? There a fighter jets, ASW planes, likely subs and land-based anti-ship missiles. More than enough to defend this so-called sea border.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  hoom on Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:02 am

    The main theme of the article is subs, specifically most of the subs are Soviet era, in need of replacement &/or in (slow) upgrade/repair, replacement builds have been slow (barely keeping up with retirement of old subs) & the constant issue that while Russia/USSR has/had one of the top navies in the world the fact it has to be split across 5+ widely dispersed fleets means that each fleet is relatively weak compared to its near neighbours.

    Its not wrong but its also not new info dunno
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:10 am

    and what year of the Soviet era?

    Most of those soviet era vessels are still more than enough.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:12 pm

    Hole wrote:Didn´t know that Russia bordered the Med. dunno
    Which moron wrote this piece? There a fighter jets, ASW planes, likely subs and land-based anti-ship missiles. More than enough to defend this so-called sea border.
    Open this link & use google translate: http://nvo.ng.ru/concepts/2018-10-04/1_1016_submarine.html?print=Y

    miketheterrible wrote:Most of those soviet era vessels are still more than enough.
    Maybe now, but in 15-20 years max., they'll all must be replaced.
    Plus bigger #s r need to make up for & save$ for shortage of large surface ships that will persist for decades more.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:03 am

    What exactly is the urgent need for an all new fleet?

    Sounds like someone wants a bigger share of available funds... or for Russia to start spending on defence like the US does... neither of which would be good for Russia.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Hole on Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:13 am

    After the massive building of new infrastructure comes to an end in 2 - 3 years and the new strategic offensive and defensive weapons are in production there will be more money for the Navy. Even more after 2027 when the modernisation of the army and air force is nearly finished.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  verkhoturye51 on Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:49 am

    GarryB wrote:What exactly is the urgent need for an all new fleet?

    Sounds like someone wants a bigger share of available funds... or for Russia to start spending on defence like the US does... neither of which would be good for Russia.

    While I agree, that Admiral Gorshkov's 1970s plans to build large naval assets, like Kirovs and Typhoons, have been the last nail in the Soviet budget's coffin, the situation is different now. Expanding Chinese navy has Arctic ambitions, and so does Russia. Assymetric power projections, like small missile corvettes, don't work on the territory you don't really control. So Russian claims on the disputed area around Lomonosov ridge, will have to be supported by regular exercises of, at least, Super Gorshkov ships in the area. It's a page from PLAN textbook for SE China sea, but it works.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:56 am

    I am not suggesting Russia does not need a navy... a good navy... what I am suggesting is that a large powerful navy right now would not have any value but would have been expensive to build and operate and I don't think their economy could take sanctions and an expensive military.

    Russia will never need the US Navy level of size, but I think they can get a US Navy level of power by being smart and being sensible.

    They don't need 13 carrier groups... even just two or three carriers will do, but they can't be half arsed mini carriers with the equivalent of Harriers on them... if Argentina had been a real Soviet ally the Soviets could have lent them some Mig-23s and the British would have been in the poo.

    Even if the R-24s had a 10% kill rate... and I actually think the R-24T IR model would have been very effective against the Harrier BTW, they could have flown out and attacked from standoff range and just fired missiles till there were no Harriers left and then send in fighter bombers to attack the ships...

    Supersonic MiG-23s would be almost impossible to fight from a subsonic Harrier armed only with Sidewinders... even if they were very good Sidewinders...

    New generation Russian carriers will be command ships bristling with S-500 and S-400 and also UKSK launchers, as well as AWACS platforms and fighters... a Cruiser plus some form of Arsenal ship based on a container or gas carrying ship would be ideal and 3-4 destroyers as a surface group, plus a couple of subs... all nuclear powered so the only thing support vessels would need to supply would be aviation fuel for the air components of all the vessels and of course ordinance...

    It would be supported by satellite coverage, but also UAVs, and I think an airship AWACS platform would make sense with enormous antenna for short, medium, long, and super long frequencies, so it could track stealth targets and communicate to subs underwater.

    Airships have a bad rap because of the Hindenberg, but that burned because it had a very light structure and the fabric the envelope was made of is basically used as smokeless powder today... it was a bomb.

    Modern airships could be made of modern light synthetic materials like carbon fibre and nomex fire retardant materials, and kevlar/aramide fabrics, while on a normal airship when you take on a load or drop a load, or just fly anywhere burning diesel fuel you have to adjust your bouancy... ie vent lifting gas or ballast... with fuel cell technology and solar panel technology and modern electric motor technology you could convert hydrogen gas directly into water ballast and back without having to dump anything which means you have much more control. Helium is expensive but if you use it around the outside of the shell you can use it as a barrier between the hydrogen in the core that is the better lifting gas and the air around the airship... if you fill the spaces between the internal gas bags with nitrogen... which is cheap and abundant and would be a perfect fire retardant, then you hold on to the expensive and fire safe Helium, and with the core of the airship filled with more efficient and cheap hydrogen that you can readily turn into water by passing it through a fuel cell, or to lift a heavy payload you can convert a few tons of water ballast into hydrogen gas.

    Solar cells can provide some energy, but to operate enormous radars you are going to want a nuclear power plant on board... or perhaps it could operate on solar and fuel cell power till it gets to the fleet and it could attach a 10km tether to a ship and draw power from that to power its sensors... its bouancy holding it up and being dragged along with the ship by the tether... the ship itself could be a destroyer or a custom designed vessel... it could even be the arsenal ship developed from a gas tanker that could have a large cradle structure on deck so the airship could act as a cradle mounted radar in really bad conditions... or really good conditions.... in a storm it could fly above the storm away from the danger...

    I am just making this shit up as I go but I think it has a lot of advantages... you could go really hard core and make it super light and have it operate at 30km+ altitude so the risk of a missile hit starting a fire would be zero... because fire wouldn't burn at that altitude...

    A really big airship would be made up of a structure in which thousands of gas bags would fill it internally to hold Helium on the outer area and hydrogen in the centre... if you imagine a large hall with the ceiling covered in hydrogen balloons... shooting with an airgun would only get a few at a time... obviously a hand grenade would pop an area of balloons, but the airship would not plunge to the ground in flames like an aircraft... it would just descend... it would take lots of hits to bring it down fast... but of course there is no real need for it to be manned... but parachutes could be provided anyway.

    The point is that the airship could be armed too with enormous AESA radar antennas it could blow the sensor of any radar guided missile and for optically guided threats... DIRCMS...

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