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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:45 pm

    Well, Kaliningrad and Crimea would be Russia's two main hotbeds for NATO to attempt something stupid. Best to really reinforce them so it can hold off for longer and cause severe damage to NATO till mainland forces can group and move.
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    Post  jhelb on Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:Interesting that it suggests it will detect and track and attack air targets without the use of radar.

    It must therefore use EO systems for that purpose, though I suspect it should be possible to tie it into the local air defence network to cue it for incoming threats and targets.

    Having no organic radar would make it much cheaper and offer the potential to mimic its performance with other platforms like IFVs also armed with 57mm guns and no radar....

    GarryB, have the 77N6-N and 77N6-N1 missiles that are supposed to provide the S-400 with exo atmospheric interception capability cleared all the tests ? IIRC, these two missiles were still being tested & are yet to be deployed.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:59 am

    I don't know to be honest...


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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  rambo54 on Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:22 pm

    these images clearly show that Russia withdraw not - as reported - (the never deployed) S-300V but (one of two batteries) S-400 via Tartus harbor







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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:48 pm

    rambo54 wrote:these images clearly show that Russia withdraw not - as reported -  (the never deployed) S-300V but (one of two batteries) S-400 via Tartus harbor
    Not sure the point you are making. That is surely an incoming not a withdrawing system.

    EDIT: This is an old video

    https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/955780361375698944

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    Post  rambo54 on Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:36 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    rambo54 wrote:these images clearly show that Russia withdraw not - as reported -  (the never deployed) S-300V but (one of two batteries) S-400 via Tartus harbor
    Not sure the point you are making. That is surely an incoming not a withdrawing system.

    EDIT: This is an old video

    https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/955780361375698944

    you are right! My mistake - But the announcement to withdraw the S-300V is nonsense - they never were there (Tartus).
    It remains open whether they will really withdraw one of their two S-400 batteries...
    The video show their arrival :-)
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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:23 am

    New S-400 unit deployed on the Volga (Central MD)
    http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=472214

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    Post  rambo54 on Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:03 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:New S-400 unit deployed on the Volga (Central MD)
    http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=472214

    This is 511st AD RGT at Engels. They got one batt in Dec 2017 and will get the second in spring 2018
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:17 am

    ok so delayed reporting
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    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:30 pm

    Appears that the fourth & final S-400 regiment set transferred in 2017 under GOZ-2017 went to 511th SAM Regiment (ZRP) based near the Russian city of Saratov & next to Engels airbase where Tupolev-160s are stationed.





    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12159948@egNews





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    Post  AMCXXL on Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:03 am

    George1 wrote:Appears that the fourth & final S-400 regiment set transferred in 2017 under GOZ-2017 went to 511th SAM Regiment (ZRP) based near the Russian city of Saratov & next to Engels airbase where Tupolev-160s are stationed.





    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12159948@egNews




    S-400 "Triumph" anti-aircraft missile systems entered combat duty in the air defense unit of the Central Military District (CVO) in the Volga region. The solemn ceremony in the Saratov region was attended by the commander of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces Lieutenant-General Alexander Tatarenko.
    For the placement of new complexes, equipment and disguising positions were carried out.
    In December of last year, servicemen of the Saratov Airborne Forces' Central Command successfully completed the retraining course for new weapons and carried out a training program from the S-400 at the training ground in the Astrakhan region.


    There are a delay of several months between the hand over of the set by the production plant and the deployment at the homebase
    511th ZRP was the first S-400 set of the 2017 plan. 12th the second and 583th is the third
    The 4th set is not known. bmpd said probably 18th ZPR could receive a trird battallion.
    Is probable the regiments that already has 2 battallions get a third for complete the standard regiment of 3 battallions. Now, the 606th and the regiment of Kamchatka have 3 battallions
    There are 19 known regiments (about the half of total) with S-400 and the other with S-300.The S-500 will be received soon after the S-400, and S-300 replaced

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t5804p75-s-300-400-orbat-battalions-and-regiments#208825
    2009: 606º (One battalion sent to training center in 2016)
    2011: 210º
    2012: 93º , 589º
    2013: 183º , 1537º
    2014: 549º , 531º , 1532º
    2015: 590º , 500º , 1533º
    2016: 18º , 1488º , 584º , 606º , 1528º
    2017: 511º , 12º , 583º , ????

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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  rambo54 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:12 pm

    511
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s-6lBvADEg&feature=youtu.be
    https://www.terraserver.com/view?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_text=&searchLat=&searchLng=&lat=51.409600&lng=46.162954&bbox=&center=

    583 (Olenogorsk) ?
    source please

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    26 & 32 Aerospace Defence Division

    Post  *BobStanley on Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:06 pm

    Do U have any information regarding 26 & 32 Aerospace Defence Division. I am asking because I can not see them in S-300/400 ORBAT ?

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    Post  rambo54 on Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:19 pm

    *BobStanley wrote:Do U have any information regarding 26 & 32 Aerospace Defence Division. I am asking because I can not see them in S-300/400 ORBAT ?
    Never heard of 32.

    26th AD Division
    •1723 AD RGT – Tschita
    with two sites equipped with S-300PS

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    Post  *BobStanley on Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:36 pm

    6th A&ADA/32nd ADD in Rzhev (rus. Ржев) ...probably.

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    Post  rambo54 on Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:52 pm

    *BobStanley wrote:6th A&ADA/32nd ADD in Rzhev (rus. Ржев) ...probably.

    Now I got it

    32th Air Defence Division includes 2 RGT with 4 Battalions
    • 42 AD RGT (2x S-300PS) – Valdai
    58.035703° 33.323480° / 58.067807° 32.960545°
    • 108 AD RGT (2x S-300PS) – Voronesh
    51.592206° 39.102357° / 51.444523° 39.294684°

    and as I already said

    26th Air Defence Division include 1 RGT with 2 Battalions
    • 1723 AD RGT (2x S-300PS) – Tschita
    52.046230° 113.569277° / 52.174317° 113.542012°

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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  franco on Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:33 pm

    Plus RadioTech Regiments or Radar. The 32nd has 4 of them while the 26th has only 1.
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    Post  zardof on Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:59 am

    franco wrote:Plus RadioTech Regiments or Radar. The 32nd has 4 of them while the 26th has only 1.
    Interresting Franco for my part i just know 3 for 32nd : 335, 336 and 337 RTP at respectively Kuzminskoye 57 26 39N, 39 45 58E, Oryol 52 56 06N, 36 01 37E, Rzhev 56 14 48N, 34 28 06E who is the fourth ?
    thanks
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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  franco on Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:14 pm

    zardof wrote:
    franco wrote:Plus RadioTech Regiments or Radar. The 32nd has 4 of them while the 26th has only 1.
    Interresting Franco for my part i just know 3 for 32nd : 335, 336 and 337 RTP at respectively Kuzminskoye 57 26 39N, 39 45 58E, Oryol 52 56 06N, 36 01 37E, Rzhev 56 14 48N, 34 28 06E who is the fourth ?
    thanks

    You are correct sir. My bad. After I had read my own post, couldn't think of the 4th myself and meant to recheck but got busy and forgot. Haste makes waste and thanks for the correction.
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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:06 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/104204/

    Nizhny Novgorod machine-building plant started production of air defense missile systems s-500

    Manufacture of anti-aircraft missile systems s-500 in the car chassis has already begun with the Nizhny Novgorod machine-building plant.

    System s-500 will replace the s-400. It is created to allow operation in the next 25 years. Their delivery to the troops will begin in 2020.

    The construction of the "Plant of the 70th anniversary of the Victory" in Nizhny Novgorod and plant for the production of components for s-400 and s-500 in Kirov concern "Almaz-Antey" led with 2012.

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4986966
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:22 am

    miketheterrible wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/104204/

    Nizhny Novgorod machine-building plant started production of air defense missile systems s-500


    Related report...

    Chief Designer unveils details of Russian next-generation air-defence systems
    http://defence-blog.com/army/chief-designer-unveils-details-russian-next-generation-air-defence-systems.html
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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  LMFS on Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:44 am

    There has been a lot of talk about the newest strategic weapons announced on the first of March and how they are destabilising and start a new arms race, but as far as I see, they are only further ensuring MAD and therefore do not undermine current balance of force, at least according to the US officials, which claim that their missile defence is not aimed at Russia and was never going to be capable of stopping a retaliating attack. IMO it is the S500 that is a game changer and could be perceived by USA with at least some legitimacy as destabilizing. From what we learn, it should be in conditions to intercept ICBMs, specially if deployed with the Russian Navy (as suggested with the Lider-class destroyers) and Russia has never stated that it would not be used against an American attack.

    Am I missing something or does the S500 finally represent the Russians also deciding to renounce to the ABM treaty?

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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:00 am

    When the US withdrew from the ABM treaty it no longer applied to either party.

    Russia abided by the ABM treaty but had a ballistic missile defence system around Moscow... the end of that treaty means Moscow can now expand that ABM system as much as they like and with mobile S-500 systems being pretty much mobile ABM systems then they could produce one or more S-500 battery for every major port or city or ICBM field in Russia without breaking any treaty,,, America rendered that treaty null and void when they withdrew.

    The US ABM system is mostly naval based so it already is in practical terms a limited global system...

    The new Russian system will be fully mobile too.


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    Post  LMFS on Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:07 am

    GarryB wrote:When the US withdrew from the ABM treaty it no longer applied to either party.

    Russia abided by the ABM treaty but had a ballistic missile defence system around Moscow... the end of that treaty means Moscow can now expand that ABM system as much as they like and with mobile S-500 systems being pretty much mobile ABM systems then they could produce one or more S-500 battery for every major port or city or ICBM field in Russia without breaking any treaty,,, America rendered that treaty null and void when they withdrew.

    The US ABM system is mostly naval based so it already is in practical terms a limited global system...

    The new Russian system will be fully mobile too.

    Totally agree, once US withdrew, the treaty was terminated. I just find it very telling that, instead of protesting the design and deployment of the S-500, which threats their retaliatory capacity (that would represent a defensive perspective), US finds the new offensive weapons "destabilizing", just for the fact that they ensure nuclear deterrence (void ABM shield and therefore their pre-emptive strike capacity).

    The sane approach, and the one I would assume Russia would take, would be to agree on a renewal of the ABM and START treaties, as Putin hinted on 1st. of March. To reach a nuclear parity by the massive deployment of extremely costly ABM systems is madness and will bankrupt any country, to reach deterrence it would be much more effective to have few warheads and no ABM. But it seems Russia thinks that US:

    - entertains the possibility of a pre-emptive strike against the Russian territory
    - will not renounce to their missile shield

    Therefore the RF has opted for developing its own ABM system. Very telling about how they trust the US.


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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:27 am

    Well they can't trust the US... at least they have realised that.


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