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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  ult on Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:50 pm

    First two ships.



    https://youtu.be/zCNU3XImTOs?t=26m2s
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:09 am

    i found out that this project is the one intended as "anti-piracy" ship. Thats why the basic version will have no missiles and also will be stationed in BSF

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150530/1022745984.html#ixzz3bcWPfsYU

    Vasily Bykov is the lead ship


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    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:38 am



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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  wilhelm on Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:30 am

    Below deck hangar?
    I note the MTU diesels are still listed, which I think are no longer being considered?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:05 am

    wilhelm wrote:Below deck hangar?

    I think it would have a partially telescopic, above-deck hanger.

    The hatches for below-deck access are for 2 X 4 containerized launchers for the Kalibr-NK missile systems.

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    Post  wilhelm on Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:27 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    wilhelm wrote:Below deck hangar?

    I think it would have a partially telescopic, above-deck hanger.

    The hatches for below-deck access are for 2 X 4 containerized launchers for the Kalibr-NK missile systems.

    Thanks...that makes more sense on a vessel of this size.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:12 pm

    Russia to Lay Down Third Project 22160 Patrol Ship on Thursday - Navy

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160215/1034798788/navy-ship-project.html#ixzz40Fn7t7Ty


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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:26 am

    Laid third patrol vessel project 22160

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1748163.html

    Some points on these ships from the article:

    1. Firstly, in the Russian Navy still had no specialized patrol boats.
    2. Secondly, the project is 22160 - the first Russian ship created a modular design: it will be possible to change the equipment and weapons, depending on the task ahead. The ship is designed to protect territorial waters, economic zone, patrol in open and closed seas, combat smuggling and piracy, search and assistance to victims of maritime accidents, for environmental monitoring, protection of ships and vessels, naval bases and water areas.
    3. 22160 Expected characteristics are:
    Displacement - 1300 t,
    Autonomy - 60 days,
    Speed - up to 30 knots,
    Crew - 80 people.
    Base for helicopter.
    Basic armament artillery, anti-aircraft and anti-missile weapons.
    Main dimensions: 94 × 14 × 3,4 meters.
    4. It is believed that the project 22160 ships will be able to perform tasks at any point in the world's oceans. However, experts say they kind of representative status: to deliver a powerful blow or fend off a serious enemy they can not, but will show the flag and "replace" in peace-time operations (for example, anti-piracy), a powerful and well-armed ships, which will be followed by saving resource.
    5. Navy Commander Viktor Chirkov said - "The ship is not very big, but in theory he has great endurance and good sea-keeping. This patrol vessel to indicate our presence in all parts of the world and to fight against piracy. That will result in the construction of the series, we have yet to see."
    6. The Zelenodolsk planned to build 12 ships of Project 22160. The first six, most likely, will go to the Black Sea Fleet, but it will serve and in the Mediterranean Sea. First couple of 22160 will pass to the Navy in 2017, two more - in 2018, two - in 2019 and one - in 2020.
    7, Speaking of export prospects, the ship is already strong advertised at all kinds of naval stores.


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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:38 pm

    George1 wrote:

    these ones carry UKSK and have a very respectable air defense) and this clearly indicates that Russia is building here Navy "from the shore" thus indicating a very defensive posture.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:49 pm

    Russian Navy Set to Receive 6 Advanced Patrol Ships by 2019

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun May 08, 2016 1:11 pm

    4th unit of the class has been laid down.

    Name is SERGEY KOTOV

    http://www.tatar-inform.ru/news/2016/05/08/502882/
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  George1 on Sun May 08, 2016 11:56 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:4th unit of the class has been laid down.

    Name is SERGEY KOTOV

    http://www.tatar-inform.ru/news/2016/05/08/502882/

    Yes.



    and here are the specifications:



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1890864.html


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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  Austin on Mon May 09, 2016 12:21 pm

    Laid patrol ship "Sergei Kotov" the fourth Russian Navy patrol boat project 22160

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1890864.html

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:56 pm



    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/78605/
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    Russian Navy to Get First Advanced Project 22160 Modular Patrol Ship in 2017

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160901/1044846220/russian-navy-22160.html
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  franco on Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:56 pm

    MOSCOW, September 1 -. RIA Novosti Head patrol boat project 22160 "Vasily Bykov," armed with cruise missiles "Caliber", will be transferred to the Navy in 2017, he told RIA Novosti CEO of Zelenodolsk Gorky plant Renat Mistahov.

    Russian Navy will receive six new patrol ships until 2019

    There will be six patrol ships of project 22160 built for the Russian Navy until 2020, which will become part of the Black Sea Fleet.

    "Under the state contract surrender the lead ship of the project 22160 is scheduled for 2017," - he said on the eve of Mistahov international military-technical forum "Army 2016", which will be held in Moscow Kubinka from 6 to 11 September.

    He said that the project 22160 - the first ships in Russia, built in a modular fashion: they can change the equipment and weapons, depending on the task ahead.

    Patrol ships of the project 22160 are able to reach speeds of 30 knots, have a displacement of about 1.3 thousand tons, the number of crew of about 80 people. The cruising range of the ship's six thousand nautical miles. To effectively carry out the tasks as intended ships as standard weapons are launchers of cruise missiles "Caliber", 57-mm artillery installation, anti-aircraft missile systems, machine guns. The ship provides the possibility of basing the helicopter Ka-27PS.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  hoom on Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:52 pm

    I find this class quite confusing unshaven

    For long range patrol sure, but does Russia really need 6 of them in the Black Sea Fleet & none elsewhere?
    I'd kind of assumed something like 2 each for Baltic/Pacific/BSF or 3 each BSF/Pacific but only noticed now that all 6 are planned for BSF.

    We know about the containerised Kalibr which provides a bunch of optional extra longrange BSF firepower but I've seen some reference to modular MCM/ASW packs & if those are indeed in the works then these ships will make much more sense as kinda LCSski (and I don't mean that in a derogatory way).

    But then if they work well in that multi-role mode then again I wonder why only for BSF?
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:46 pm

    hoom wrote:I find this class quite confusing  unshaven

    For long range patrol sure, but does Russia really need 6 of them in the Black Sea Fleet & none elsewhere?
    I'd kind of assumed something like 2 each for Baltic/Pacific/BSF or 3 each BSF/Pacific but only noticed now that all 6 are planned for BSF.

    We know about the containerised Kalibr which provides a bunch of optional extra longrange BSF firepower but I've seen some reference to modular MCM/ASW packs & if those are indeed in the works then these ships will make much more sense as kinda LCSski (and I don't mean that in a derogatory way).

    But then if they work well in that multi-role mode then again I wonder why only for BSF?

    BSF needs replace aging fleet in fastest pace. Patrol boats on top of Buyans is strangest ot me. I´d prefer 22160 instead of Buyans, hope containers with AAD and ASW can be still added-

    BTW with 6k miles range they can sail in Mediterranem or south Africa, Indian Ocean.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  medo on Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:10 pm

    Buyan in Black sea fleet is not strange choice. It is sea-river class corvette and could patrol deep inside Don river and could sail into Caspian sea and Caspian Buyans could sail in Black sea. It is perfect to patrol in Black sea and in Caspian sea and to sail in big Don and Volga rivers. 22160 is open ocean patrol sea and is perect for Black sea and Batic fleets. When Black sea fleet Will have 22160 ships, than they will not need to send Buyans to Mediterranean sea as they Will have enough Grigorovich frigates and 22160 patrol ships to do that job.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  hoom on Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:57 am

    Does anyone know what the deal is with the engines on this class?

    I've seen some references to CoDaD with presumably domestic engines, but there are other sources which talk about M-70 (ie will be waiting on engines from Saturn) eg
    (also says MTU for the Diesels...)
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:49 am

    medo wrote:Buyan in Black sea fleet is not strange choice. It is sea-river class corvette and could patrol deep inside Don river and could sail into Caspian sea and Caspian Buyans could sail in Black sea. It is perfect to patrol in Black sea and in Caspian sea and to sail in big Don and Volga rivers. 22160 is open ocean patrol sea and is perect for Black sea and Batic fleets. When Black sea fleet Will have 22160 ships, than they will not need to send Buyans to Mediterranean sea as they Will have enough Grigorovich frigates and 22160 patrol ships to do that job.

    and why 22800 on top? 22160 isnt similar class and characteristics?
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:33 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    medo wrote:Buyan in Black sea fleet is not strange choice. It is sea-river class corvette and could patrol deep inside Don river and could sail into Caspian sea and Caspian Buyans could sail in Black sea. It is perfect to patrol in Black sea and in Caspian sea and to sail in big Don and Volga rivers. 22160 is open ocean patrol sea and is perect for Black sea and Batic fleets. When Black sea fleet Will have 22160 ships, than they will not need to send Buyans to Mediterranean sea as they Will have enough Grigorovich frigates and 22160 patrol ships to do that job.

    and why 22800 on top? 22160 isnt similar class and characteristics?

    22160 is patrol vessel with added optional cruise missile functionality, not a real warship. It is supposed to hunt pirates, show flag, visit other ports on friendly tours instead of more useful ships and in case of war to perform same role as Buyans/Karakurts.

    They are more expensive and take longer to build than those ships as well.

    And anti-piracy is also reason they are stationed in Black Sea. It is closest to Somalia.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:56 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:and why 22800 on top? 22160 isnt similar class and characteristics?

    22160 is patrol vessel with added optional cruise missile functionality, not a real warship. It is supposed to hunt pirates, show flag, visit other ports on friendly tours instead of more useful ships and in case of war to perform same role as Buyans/Karakurts.


    So what differentiates Buyan without Kalibs (a warship) and 22160? I cannot see much difference. So why not to build long series 22160 with avionics/radars pantsir and pakets on top of Kalibrs?


    PapaDragon wrote:
    They are more expensive and take longer to build than those ships as well.

    And anti-piracy is also reason they are stationed in Black Sea. It is closest to Somalia.

    Costs could eventually explain but but unification is not less important for logistics. Do you have periods of shipbuilding and costs of both classes somewhere?


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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:41 am

    Once the 6 ships for the BSF are completed, the shipyard is expecting further orders of the class for a slightly modified version more suitable for colder seas (Baltic for example). That's what the company director mentioned a while ago.

    Main facts to keep in mind about this class of patrol ships
    -These 22160 ships have range (6000 nm) and endurance of larger frigates that are twice their size.
    -Their modular design enables to carry mission suitable armament.
    -They are going to be the most low-observable (stealthy) ships in the Ru Navy.
    -They will have low operational cost and carry a modest sized crew.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:38 am


    Are these ships also affected by Ukrainian engine clusterf**k?

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