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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Kimppis on Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:41 pm

    Back to the Su-57 program (and a new page as well, thank god):

    AMCXXL wrote:Only remember 2015:
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2693130
    According to a source from Kommersant in the military department, the GPO-2020 provided for the purchase of 52 T-50. "We even wrote a schedule of deliveries," Kommersant source said. "In the period 2016-2018, the Russian Air Force was to receive eight fighters per year, and in 2019-2020 - already 14 aircraft of this type." These plans were feasible, he believes, if there were no economic difficulties that arose in the country: "There is an understanding that, first of all, we will sign a contract for the T-50 squadron (12 units - Kommersant). they are still necessary and how much we can afford. " The UAC did not comment on this information

    THe SAP 2020 was modified from 52 to 12 , and it seems this is the number to order now
    The expected "52" in 5 years was supossed by some media/people for next SAP 2025 (supossed , not announced)
    Later the SAP was modificated until 2027.and that affected all the programs, not just the Su-57.
    There was quite crisis and inflation in Russia since 2015 and also the oil fell a lot 2-3 years ago, so the defense budget for purchases was cut in an important part (30% ??)

    When someone talks about "buying airplanes" like the one who buys bananas, it's better to stop reading, it's not serious
    We have to consider all the factors.

    First, Putin says clearly about military procurement: first replace , later , slow growth
    In the first part, Su-35 and Su-30 was chosen for replace soviet airplanes
    Some people says the that the pace of purchases is low or expect more planes each year. I said here many times that a squadron (approximately) a year was enough to replace the Soviet models not modernized in 2020 or little more, and all the other flankes in 2025 or a little more, seems that they have adjusted it for 2027

    To produce a third figther while Su-35 and Su-30 are producing, does not sound very reasonable, but has been announced many times and all people beleive in that.
    However it is clear Su-57 is still green. To produce more with the program unfinished has not sense , and Russia is not in a hurry now, if you compare the situation of the Air Force with 2012, it is clearly much better
    In 2020 or little more, about all soviet fighters will be replaced or modernized, as initially was planned in SAP 2011-2020

    Also people usually think only over airplanes , but forgets who is piloting them: forming a pilot, an officer, is a 5-year career in a university or military academy. It is not a matter of money or resources.
    Since you make the decision to train more pilots to expand the Air Force until you have novice pilots, spend at least 5 years and some more to acquire experience.
    The military academies were reformed several years ago and the fruits will be seen from 2020
    Russia has a problema with the age of pilots and you can not go to an employment office to hire someone to pilot a combat plane

    The Su-57 does noy replace to any airplane and will be based in closed bases that need overhaul
    Some airbases (Kursk, Besovets, Astrakhan) have been overhauled, other are next to conclude the repairs (Chkalovsk, Vorónezh...) but for the momento there are not notice about other bases that could receive Su-57 , like the closed in 2009 (Dorokhovo, Loneynodye Pole, etc...). so RuAF does not expect to have new regiment of Su-57 in next 2-3-4 years

    Leaving aside the specific technical problems, of which we do not have data enough as it is logical, what is clear that a totally new plane must give problems, as happened with the F-22 and the F-35 and the Russians does not seem that have a lot of faith in "stealth", they are not going to make the mistake of making a large scale something yet not finished. The flankers have been a safe bet.

    you're in a great hurry with the S-500
    The S-400 is still being received and by 2020 half of the AA missiles will be S-400. Is it really necessary in S-500 in 2020? Can not wait for 2025? Syria has just shot down an F-16 with an S-150 or S-200
    Russia does not need to have 4 fleets either. the Baltic and the Black are lagoons.

    The expenditure on armaments must be reasonable. Russia has many problems of poverty, demographics, etc ...

    What do you mean that the defence budget was cut by 30%? As Miketheterrible said, that's isn't true? It was maybe cut by a few percent. Or are you talking about its dollar value or something?

    The current pace of (especially) Su-30 and Su-34 is certainly not slow, that isn't a problem.

    And it's true that S-500 is like the least of their problems, just listed it with the others. Because I don't think it's actually going to replace S-400s and the program seems to be very ambitious. But what is the situation with S-350?

    But if the procurement budget wasn't cut, it raises some other questions. Back when the previous/current (the 2010-20 one, or whatever) SAP was devised, they surely allocated some of that 24 trillion roubles to purchase some Su-57s, in fact 50-60 of them? So if the budget wasn't considerably cut, where did that money go? It's not like they ordered additional Su-30/34/35s, right?
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:07 pm

    Why is China buying Su-35 from Russia?

    Choose your answer:

    a- Their stealth plane is not ready (lacks proper engines etc.)
    b- Their stealth plane is not going to be that good
    c- They want to purchase Su-57 later on
    d- All of the above
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:59 pm

    Kimppis wrote:Back to the Su-57 program (and a new page as well, thank god):

    AMCXXL wrote:Only remember 2015:
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2693130
    According to a source from Kommersant in the military department, the GPO-2020 provided for the purchase of 52 T-50. "We even wrote a schedule of deliveries," Kommersant source said. "In the period 2016-2018, the Russian Air Force was to receive eight fighters per year, and in 2019-2020 - already 14 aircraft of this type." These plans were feasible, he believes, if there were no economic difficulties that arose in the country: "There is an understanding that, first of all, we will sign a contract for the T-50 squadron (12 units - Kommersant). they are still necessary and how much we can afford. " The UAC did not comment on this information

    THe SAP 2020 was modified from 52 to 12 , and it seems this is the number to order now
    The expected "52" in 5 years was supossed by some media/people for next SAP 2025 (supossed , not announced)
    Later the SAP was modificated until 2027.and that affected all the programs, not just the Su-57.
    There was quite crisis and inflation in Russia since 2015 and also the oil fell a lot 2-3 years ago, so the defense budget for purchases was cut in an important part (30% ??)

    When someone talks about "buying airplanes" like the one who buys bananas, it's better to stop reading, it's not serious
    We have to consider all the factors.

    First, Putin says clearly about military procurement: first replace , later , slow growth
    In the first part, Su-35 and Su-30 was chosen for replace soviet airplanes
    Some people says the that the pace of purchases is low or expect more planes each year. I said here many times that a squadron (approximately) a year was enough to replace the Soviet models not modernized in 2020 or little more, and all the other flankes in 2025 or a little more, seems that they have adjusted it for 2027

    To produce a third figther while Su-35 and Su-30 are producing, does not sound very reasonable, but has been announced many times and all people beleive in that.
    However it is clear Su-57 is still green. To produce more with the program unfinished has not sense , and Russia is not in a hurry now, if you compare the situation of the Air Force with 2012, it is clearly much better
    In 2020 or little more, about all soviet fighters will be replaced or modernized, as initially was planned in SAP 2011-2020

    Also people usually think only over airplanes , but forgets who is piloting them: forming a pilot, an officer, is a 5-year career in a university or military academy. It is not a matter of money or resources.
    Since you make the decision to train more pilots to expand the Air Force until you have novice pilots, spend at least 5 years and some more to acquire experience.
    The military academies were reformed several years ago and the fruits will be seen from 2020
    Russia has a problema with the age of pilots and you can not go to an employment office to hire someone to pilot a combat plane

    The Su-57 does noy replace to any airplane and will be based in closed bases that need overhaul
    Some airbases (Kursk, Besovets, Astrakhan) have been overhauled, other are next to conclude the repairs (Chkalovsk, Vorónezh...) but for the momento there are not notice about other bases that could receive Su-57 , like the closed in 2009 (Dorokhovo, Loneynodye Pole, etc...). so RuAF does not expect to have new regiment of Su-57 in next 2-3-4 years

    Leaving aside the specific technical problems, of which we do not have data enough as it is logical, what is clear that a totally new plane must give problems, as happened with the F-22 and the F-35 and the Russians does not seem that have a lot of faith in "stealth", they are not going to make the mistake of making a large scale something yet not finished. The flankers have been a safe bet.

    you're in a great hurry with the S-500
    The S-400 is still being received and by 2020 half of the AA missiles will be S-400. Is it really necessary in S-500 in 2020? Can not wait for 2025? Syria has just shot down an F-16 with an S-150 or S-200
    Russia does not need to have 4 fleets either. the Baltic and the Black are lagoons.

    The expenditure on armaments must be reasonable. Russia has many problems of poverty, demographics, etc ...

    What do you mean that the defence budget was cut by 30%? As Miketheterrible said, that's isn't true? It was maybe cut by a few percent. Or are you talking about its dollar value or something?

    The current pace of (especially) Su-30 and Su-34 is certainly not slow, that isn't a problem.

    And it's true that S-500 is like the least of their problems, just listed it with the others. Because I don't think it's actually going to replace S-400s and the program seems to be very ambitious. But what is the situation with S-350?

    But if the procurement budget wasn't cut, it raises some other questions. Back when the previous/current (the 2010-20 one, or whatever) SAP was devised, they surely allocated some of that 24 trillion roubles to purchase some Su-57s, in fact 50-60 of them? So if the budget wasn't considerably cut, where did that money go? It's not like they ordered additional Su-30/34/35s, right?

    Funny you should ask. The money wasn't being spent at all in a lot of regards. So the money was there but as stated from last year, only ~46% of the money allocated for SAP2020 was actually used so far. Why? Well, they we're expecting production ramp ups after modernization of facilities. But a lot of facilities aren't completed yet. Then there were issues and discrepancies found in other manufacturers. Biggest ones was the shipbuilding yards based upon the issues with Gorshkov. Then other facts like engines not ready for jets, and of course import substitution for subcomponents was a set back for at least a couple of years thanks to Ukraine mess.

    Last we heard, S-350 was out on testing grounds and the BS rumor of it being in Syria which isn't true. But it was apparently seen at some test ground last year.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:11 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Why is China buying Su-35 from Russia?

    Choose your answer:

    a- Their stealth plane is not ready (lacks proper engines etc.)
    b- Their stealth plane is not going to be that good
    c- They want to purchase Su-57 later on
    d- All of the above

    B and C
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Pierre Sprey on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:33 pm

    Kimppis wrote:Kvs: as I've said numerous times: I don't doubt the capabilities of the plane itself. And none of this "trolling", I'm actually just a little bit worried. We have to hope that these reports are not entirely true.

     

    Speak for yourself !

    Don't you notice a pattern here ? Now that the jet is moving toward production, the propagandist nonsense is moving into that domain. And you are being sucked into it like a fool. We aren't dealing with people who want to have fair arguments. Don't kid yourself.

    When it was in the design phase, all this utter nonsense about stealth inefficiencies was being spread around. It is all out of context and blown way out of proportion. Which is why I wrote this awhile ago.


    Dear fellow su 57 fans

    We should all realize by now that everything that has been said about the Pak Fa's stealth in the last 10 years , is pure f-ing nonsense. Whether its the uncovered engines (covered now) non serrated tips (almost done) or the famous nonsense about the engine face exposure (YF 23 had engine exposure yet had better stealth than the Raptor. Boeing X 32 had engine exposure too)

    These little gimmicks got totally blown out of proportion by the haters that Pak Fa fans started to believe it. There is NOTHING here. This is as bad as Trump-Russia.

    Seriously. Many pro Russian commentators and analysts got sucked into this. This has to stop. Don't give an INCH.

    The facts are this. The Russian Federation put up a tender for a 5th gen STEALTH aircraft. Sukhoi delivered that stealth aircraft. To believe otherwise is to think that the Pak Fa is a conspiracy. Was it a fake tender and a fake delivery ? NO.

    Even a 6 year old can see that there is SOMETHING about the Pak Fa that makes it look very much like the F-22, J-20 or F-35. And something about it doesn't look like 4th gen aircraft. What is it ? STEALTH designed fuselage. The jet was designed on the computer, to have the right angling to be stealth just like the F-22 was. That makes the Pak Fa stealth. Stealth does NOT mean "achieving invisibility". Stealth is NOT magic. Stealth is simply the scince of making things smaller on radar than they are in real life.

    If anything, the Pak Fa with its tiny all moving vertical stabs and ultra low profile design (it is lower profile, by measurement) is MORE stealthy than the F-22. There's no way that there is more than a 5% difference in stealth between the 2 jets. So don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

    The USA was designing the F-22 when the USSR was still around. It stands to reason that, like always, Russia had spy assets overlooking the program. These spy assets are the only ones who've ever put a number on the F-22's RCS. They say its about .03M2 and the Pak Fa is .05M2. Yet all that is ever said by the US is "its the size of a golf ball" The only reason that came out was for shows like the Discovery Channel to have something to work with. Its not serious. The real number is what the Russians have and they USED this number to make the Pak Fa within range of the F-22. Otherwise whats the point ? why make an inferior product ? The Americans actually have the audacity to claim that the F-22 is the golf ball and the Pak Fa is .05m2. Therefore the Pak Fa is way worse right ? NONSENSE.

    One more thing. Its funny when westerners mock the plasma stealth idea that Russia was working on. The irony here of course is that in the first days of the Pak Fa debut , it was the western media who rightly surmised that plasma stealth had failed. Their evidence ? The careful shape of the Pak Fa (their words) was proof that Russia had to do stealth the hard way.

    Early days the western defense media said "haha, plasma stealth failed and haha , its a Raptor clone" It was called the Raptorski for a couple years.

    Yet now, the Pak Fa "looks nothing like the Raptor" "cant be stealth"

    Respectfully

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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  ZoA on Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:52 pm

    Su-57 prototypes allegedly deployed in Syria.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-russian-5th-generation-stealth-fighters-arrive-syria/
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:10 am

    Details on why now, & what they want/expect from this Su-57 deployment:
    https://iz.ru/712347/ilia-kramnik/ispytanie-boem

    Them going on a land base, at least there's no risk of them failing recovery on Adm.K!
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:12 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Why is China buying Su-35 from Russia?

    Choose your answer:

    a- Their stealth plane is not ready (lacks proper engines etc.)
    b- Their stealth plane is not going to be that good
    c- They want to purchase Su-57 later on
    d- All of the above

    e-they want to copy it as they did with Su-27 Twisted Evil
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:19 am

    If they copy it, how many of them do u think will they need to produce for their own needs?

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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  hoom on Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:26 am

    Allegedly 2* Su-57 deployed to Syria Suspect
    http://charly015.blogspot.co.nz/2018/02/el-pak-fa-en-siria.html

    Video certainly appears to be Su-57s & balloon looks like ones known to be around the base there, but why would they do this? dunno

    Maybe a there & back distance exercise? Maybe as some kind of threat to US/Isreal/Turkey? Can't imagine using them for operational bombing tests unshaven

    Its taking a big risk, imagine if there was an issue & one crashed over non-Russian territory? affraid
    Also gives US opportunity to ELINT/radar profile in a way they could not do while tests remain well inside Russian territory.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:19 am

    hoom wrote:.......Maybe a there & back distance exercise? Maybe as some kind of threat to US/Isreal/Turkey? ...

    It would be pretty hollow threat in this form and not one anyone would take seriously


    hoom wrote:.......Can't imagine using them for operational bombing tests ....

    This is precisely what they are most likely to be used for


    hoom wrote:.......Its taking a big risk, imagine if there was an issue & one crashed over non-Russian territory?....

    These are warplanes, they are supposed to be used, not kept as decorations

    USAF took the same risk with F-22 back when ISIS popped up in Iraq, at some point you need to get stuff in use


    hoom wrote:.......Also gives US opportunity to ELINT/radar profile in a way they could not do while tests remain well inside Russian territory.

    Not if they have reflectors like F-22 and 35, they have been flying for years through adversary's​ radar coverage and nobody seem to have gained anything useful
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:33 am

    They are non serial aircraft... they might not have any stealth applied to them at all except basic shaping... very few weapons that could be directed at them would use radar guidance, so this is likely just prototypes testing early model avionics systems for ground attack...

    Even if the US follow them everywhere the data they collect wont be valid for even the first serial batch of aircraft let alone final operational aircraft.

    The war in Syria seems to have been very useful for all Russian military equipment manufacturers... a great testing place... why would you not use it.

    And loses are possible too... but then they lost a few Su-25s in Afghanistan during testing and what they learned was applied to the design to make it better.

    Hahahahaahaha... look forward to hearing western journalists claiming they are dropping barrel bombs...
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Isos on Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:24 am

    They will for sure try their passive captors against nato systems. Maybe an interception of f-22 with IRST.
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    Post  JackRed on Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:24 pm

    Hi everyone Smile I'm a new member but it's a long time I read this fantastic forum, hope to know everyone soon Smile

    Just a little update regarding the Syrian front, 2 other su-57 prototypes arrived in Khmeimim Air Base, and one of them has the wonderful "shark camo" or it is the 09, photos are not so clear. You can find photographs in SouthFront


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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  franco on Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:30 am

    My first thought when I heard of the Su-57's in Syria was BS as the Air Force doesn't have any... those aircraft belong to Sukhoi. Have since read that back on February 8th, a senior MoD official said they were taking on an unspecified number of the experimental T-50's for Combat & Weapons testing. Two weeks later and here we are.


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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:06 pm

    Confirmation that they are in Syria. Is it possible to identify which ones they are from the paint scheme?

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    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:26 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Confirmation that they are in Syria. Is it possible to identify which ones they are from the paint scheme?


    Do you know a website with a "google earth" style software with recent images of the world ? Like this thibg you just posted but that we could use like google earth.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:06 am

    Isos wrote:

    Do you know a website with a "google earth" style software with recent images of the world ? Like this thibg you just posted but that we could use like google earth.
    No I don't. The up to the minute satellite pictures are a valuable commodity and are sold. The ones we see published free to air could be regarded as promotional material to increase sales.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:26 am

    I thought none of the prototypes had a combination of systems(1 has avionics but no radar and vice versa)
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:30 am

    you cant test the radar without the proper avionics in work. There are about 3 - 4 PAK FA's with active radar and systems. All other radars and systems are either on ground test units or on workbenches.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:24 pm

    You guys should get a load at the other sites and Twitter from Western fanboys. Talk about delusional retards.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Kimppis on Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:25 pm

    Stuff like this?

    http://warisboring.com/russias-stealth-fighter-deployment-in-syria-is-a-dangerous-farce/

    Trigger warning, obviously.

    Mostly just a list of classic Russophobic tropes about the PAK FA, but:

    - "All of these were in so-called “reduced configuration,” which means they had only a front-facing antenna and lacked the side-looking arrays. There has been no testing of the T-50’s fire-control system nor any kind of live weapons trials for the type"

    - "On the contrary, the T-50 has suffered one failure after another. Most of the first five prototypes have developed severe structural problems, engine breakdowns and mishaps with cockpit glazing"

    - "The original integrated avionics suite, under development since 2004, proved insufficient. The IMA BK suite is years away from entering service"

    - "Later in 2017, Mikhail Pogosian, CEO of United Aircraft Company – the consortium controlling Sukhoi and all of the Russian aviation industry – left his position. Pogosian was the only UAC director with industrial management skills. To say that this collapsed the entire T-50 project would be an understatement"

    Are any of these true? What are his sources for this shit? Did Pogosian actually leave? Now that I think about it, I might have read about that, but holy shit does he make that sound dramatic.

    In any case, that article is certainly a Western propaganda version of all of those "F-35 is the literally the worst thing ever" articles, lmao.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:36 pm

    Please, spare us the stupidity.

    There was 1 with structural issues. Fixed
    There was 1 engine that burned out. Fixed
    Pogosyan had only partial aspect to the program. Overall, he was replaced regardless. 1 man didn't control the company.
    1 avionics been ready for a while. It was engines that they we're waiting for.


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    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:42 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:you cant test the radar without the proper avionics in work.  There are about 3 - 4 PAK FA's with active radar and systems.  All other radars and systems are either on ground test units or on workbenches.

    Unless if you work for sukhoi you don't know what they are carrying. They could have been equiped with the equipment they didn't have. It's been few years that they are flying the pak fa. Prototypes are made to be equiped step by step with different equipement. If they send them in syria means they put the max equipment they could inside them.

    But it's doubtfull they all have byelka radar. This thing is not in serial production so they couldn't have build 12 byelka radar. It would be too much as the serial production of even Irbis E is something like less than 60 untill now.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:44 pm

    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:you cant test the radar without the proper avionics in work.  There are about 3 - 4 PAK FA's with active radar and systems.  All other radars and systems are either on ground test units or on workbenches.

    Unless if you work for sukhoi you don't know what they are carrying. They could have been equiped with the equipment they didn't have. It's been few years that they are flying the pak fa. Prototypes are made to be equiped step by step with different equipement. If they send them in syria means they put the max equipment they could inside them.

    But it's doubtfull they all have byelka radar. This thing is not in serial production so they couldn't have build 12 byelka radar. It would be too much as the serial production of even Irbis E is something like less than 60 untill now.

    First off, it wouldn't fly with Irbis. Crying out loud. Second, yes, they built around 6 or so N036 radars. The Modules have been in production since 2007. NIIP T/R modules been around for over a decade already. The rest of it, especially processor based on Elbrus 2C also been in production for quite some time.  It's rather easier after they build 2 of them to build 4 more test benches of it.

    Are they the same configuration per radar? Don't know. That's all I know. Could be different radar config altogether to test. But that wouldn't make much sense.

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