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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:37 pm

    dino00 wrote:Russia will not conduct the MAKS in 2019

    His place in the list of exhibitions took the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg


    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6221871

    Suspect  hope its a misunderstanding


    Cancellation news

    The news "Russia will not conduct the MAKS in 2019", released on tass.ru at 14:50 Moscow time, is canceled as issued incorrectly. TASS apologizes to its subscribers and readers.


    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6221871


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    Post  dino00 on Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:00 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Russia will not conduct the MAKS in 2019

    His place in the list of exhibitions took the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg


    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6221871

    Suspect  hope its a misunderstanding



    Cancellation news


    The news "Russia will not conduct the MAKS in 2019", released on tass.ru at 14:50 Moscow time, is canceled as issued incorrectly. TASS apologizes to its subscribers and readers.


    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6221871




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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:53 am

    So the cancellation is cancelled?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:19 am

    GarryB wrote:So the cancellation is cancelled?

    more less lol1 lol1 lol1 seems that Tass was afraid fake news legal responsibility lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:50 am

    Cool news. Pity they dont plan to mount such rockets on Terminator 2

    Tochmash: Russian unguided aircraft rockets will receive control units


    https://ria.ru/20190329/1552211633.html

    MOSCOW, March 29 - RIA News. Special units that make unguided aircraft missiles controlled are being created in Russia, said Valery Makeyev, managing director of the enterprise-developer of this project at Nudelman Design Bureau named after Nudelman, in an interview with RIA Novosti.
    “Due to the fact that the effectiveness of unguided missiles is quite low, today there is the task of improving them with minimal use of time and material resources. To this end, we are working on a project to create separate control units for already existing unguided missiles, which in recent years have produced hundreds of thousands.” , - he said.

    Makeev explained that the possibility of installing a block with a semi-active laser homing head on the unguided rocket just before launch, based on the assigned combat mission, is currently being worked out.
    "As a result, we should get a large-scale batch of guided missiles without serious financial and time costs for conducting new research and development work," the agency’s source said.
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    Post  Hole on Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:13 am

    Target seeker is not enough. You need powered rudders to control the thing.

    In the last years modern planes/helis needed in average just 2 unguided rockets to destroy a target. This upgrade has to be really cheap to be worthwile.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:11 pm

    https://aviation21.ru/zavod-aviakor-mozhet-nachat-vypusk-produkcii-oak/



    Aviakor plant may start production for UAC


    Posted by 11.06.2019 | @AviaRu |  53

    The Samara Aviakor Aviation Plant (part of the Russian Machines holding, controlled by Oleg Deripaska) may be placed under the control of the United Aircraft Building Corporation and begin production of UAC products. Reports about itTasswith reference to the press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Samara Region.

    The main problem of the aircraft factory is debt in the amount of about 2 billion rubles. Basically, this is an unearned advance payment by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the supply of five An-140-100 aircraft due to force majeure circumstances related to events in Ukraine, Mikhail Zhdanov, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Samara Region, said earlier.

    According to the governor of the Samara region, Dmitry Azarov, the integration of the aircraft factory with the UAC would give a new impetus to the development of the enterprise.

    “In my opinion, it would be extremely important for the enterprise itself to become a member of the UAC. This, of course, would give Aviakor a new impulse for development. A working group to consider this possibility was created, but the work was suspended because the UAC had a transformation stage. But I hope that we will return to this issue together with the owner, the work of this group will be resumed, "Azarov said.

    The governor stressed that the plant needs new projects. "Now the company performs work commissioned by the Ministry of Defense. First, this is a fairly small segment, and secondly, it will end sometime. We need new projects, new machines for the company to develop," Azarov said.

    “I speak very carefully - not about the form of this integration, but about the integration itself. In my opinion, the future dynamic development of the aircraft factory is possible only with its account,” said the governor.

    Aviakor is one of the largest Russian aircraft manufacturing enterprises. Included in the corporation "Russian Machines", which unites the engineering assets of the group "Basic Element". In 2015, Aviakor suspended the An-140 aircraft production program due to the refusal of Ukraine’s leadership to cooperate with Russia in the field of aircraft manufacturing. Earlier, the plant produced the most massive Soviet jet passenger aircraft Tu-154.




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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:59 pm

    Now, after Aviakor in Samara, I hope that they rebuild a big aircraft factory in Saratov,where the "yak" where build (criminals bankrupted and destroyed the factory).

    They even build a mall in one of the building and a factory for producing thermal insulating pyr-slabs in the former assembly shop of the plant.

    https://pirrogroup.ru/news/10-zapusk-proizvodstva-na-ploschadke-saratovskogo-aviacionnogo-zavoda.html

    They should kick out the mall and offer a relocation of this insulating material factory somewhere else, making a sort of offer they can't refuse at first, and then force them out badly if.they refuse.

    The aircraft plant in Saratov used to have up to 30000 employees at its peak and even had its own airport, an hospital and a stadium.

    A few more links

    https://news.sarbc.ru/main/2016/04/14/182153.html

    https://nversia.ru/news/esche-odno-bomboubezhische-saza-reshili-vernut-v-sobstvennost-gosudarstva/

    The Arbitration Court of the Saratov Region issued a decision on the suit of the territorial administration of the Federal Property Management Agency against OOO “TV Reka”. According to the document, the Federal Property Agency of the courts required to recognize the absence of the right of ownership "TV River" on the non-residential building ( shelter ) of the Saratov Aviation Plant area of 2.4 thousand square meters

    https://nversia.ru/news/chinovniki-pytayutsya-izyat-u-tc-oranzhevyy-16-zemelnyh-uchastkov-na-kotoryh-ranee-raspolagalsya-saz/

    Officials are trying to withdraw from the shopping center "Orange" 16 plots of land, which previously located SAZ

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:25 am

    Cool news. Pity they dont plan to mount such rockets on Terminator 2

    Tochmash: Russian unguided aircraft rockets will receive control units

    Actually those new square modular rocket pods they have shown would be an ideal replacement for the ATAKA missiles on the Terminator series of vehicles... I would imagine a combination of 80mm rocket pods and a few 122mm rocket pods would be the ideal combination for hitting point targets on the ground and in the air out to quite good ranges...

    Target seeker is not enough. You need powered rudders to control the thing.

    I suspect the added components will include both a seeker and steering mechanism to direct the flight of the rocket to where the sensor detects the target is located...

    The S-25 unguided rocket has something similar in the laser homing S-25L model, and the Glonass guidance systems for standard 152mm artillery shells includes an electronic fuse, a Glonass guidance package and control fins to steer the round to the point of aim calculated by the guidance component... with target input before launch.

    In the last years modern planes/helis needed in average just 2 unguided rockets to destroy a target. This upgrade has to be really cheap to be worthwile.

    Well no, you are missing the point... with unguided 80mm rockets you pretty much have to fly within 2km of the target to assured getting a hit and even then it will mostly be a near miss... but unguided rockets are generally used against area targets any way so the point is moot because you would normally fire a volley of rockets to get a good spread around the area the targets are located.

    With this guidance package instead of flying within HMG range you can hold back and loft a rocket ballisticly towards the enemy light truck say 6-7km away and use the terminal guidance to get a hit with one rocket.

    The distance would normally be great for the helo as it minimises return fire but they don't do it because the chances of a hit would be zero.

    With guidance the chances of a hit are very high even from extended (safe) ranges.

    As mentioned above it means any vehicle with a laser target marker... which in the Russian military pretty much means all of them can launch rockets at targets on the battlefield on ballistic max range paths and still get hits... imagine in Syria a group of Spec Forces being attacked... they might each have thermal night vision scopes with laser target markers that can be used out to 5-6km from their location... a Terminator vehicle or UAV equipped with rocket pods flying at enormous altitudes could launch rockets to where they are and those troops can select their own targets by marking them with their lasers... the same guidance equipment could be fitted to 5kg HE frag bombs for high altitude release from small UCAVs that could carry 100 weapons plus externally mounted rocket pods of 57mm and 80mm and 122mm calibre able to engage an enormous range of targets... 57mm rockets could carry a 1kg HE payload to destroy a light vehicle or car... 80mm rockets could carry warheads up to 16kgs and take out light armour and 122mm rockets and bigger could be used to take on concrete bunkers... the 122mm rockets were developed to destroy hardened aircraft shelters and destroy the contents so most models have an armour piercing first warhead and a secondary HE fragmentation warhead to stir up the contents... ideal for medium armoured vehicles or heavy ones from the side or rear...


    This will be transformational for ground robots and IFVs and tank support vehicles like the Terminator... they can have long range very accurate point target capable weapons that are relatively cheap... hell they could probably make man portable rocket launchers too... use faster burning solid fuel so they have burned out the rocket propellent before it leaves the tube... and of course there is no reason why you would be restricted to aviation rockets only... fit the guidance systems to RPG-22 and RPG-29 rockets as well as RPG-32 and RPG-31, not to mention the little Grad rockets from those little 12 tube things you tow behind vehicles... set one of those up a couple of kms from the target and point it at the centre and then fire rockets remotely and as they approach a low flying tiny UAV could mark targets for a precision strike without ever having to cut the perimeter fence... the Russians have TOR and Pantsir... what will the west have to stop such an attack and how many billions of dollars will they need to spend on more missiles to deal with such cheap threats...


    Aviakor plant may start production for UAC

    That would be good, perhaps if they made Tu-154s and were going to make An-140s then making Il-112s and Il-276s would be good... and perhaps even help boost production of Il-476s too and then change to produce Il-276s... it would not surprise me if there were not a few orders for brand new Il-476 aircraft these days as existing Il-76s would be getting a bit old by now, and there would be a few countries wanting to replace their C-130s or An-12s with a new faster plane like the Il-276... commonality with Il-76 and Il-476s would be likely rather appreciated in terms of servicing...

    But there are lot of new planes that need to be made in numbers, so I suspect there should be no problem finding work for them to do...

    Hopefully they build brand new state of the art factories and facilities to do their new work rather than try to reclaim old likely stripped out facilities...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:38 am

    GarryB wrote:(...)
    But there are lot of new planes that need to be made in numbers, so I suspect there should be no problem finding work for them to do...

    Hopefully they build brand new state of the art factories and facilities to do their new work rather than try to reclaim old likely stripped out facilities...
    that is what I hope they do, not only at Aviakor on Samara, but also in Saratov... too bad for the original buildings and assembly shop that got destroyed but they need new modern ones... it can be a good opportunity to start anew, after kicking out those who wanted to profit of protected federal land with the help of corrupt officials...
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:00 am

    it can be a good opportunity to start anew, after kicking out those who wanted to profit of protected federal land with the help of corrupt officials...

    I would be harder on the corrupt officials for allowing it to happen... most businessmen want to get things cheap to maximise profit, but certainly make sure they pay their taxes in full...
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:33 pm

    RTI tested a prototype model of a radiophotonic radar of a new generation

    As the group general director Maxim Kuziuk said, the task now is to create a simulation and modeling stand and improve the hardware and software of the locator

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6598983
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:30 pm

    A couple of additional articles about the former Saratov Aviation plant. I still hope it will be rebuilt and they start there some production lines for both civil and military aircrafts. The fact that they destroyed the previous plant was bad, but not that bad to abort.the idea of rebuilding.the plant as it would be anyway in need of a deep modernisation.

    https://nversia.ru/news/aleksandr-bernadskiy-ob-imuschestve-saza-eto-tolko-nachalo-seychas-potihonku-zanimayutsya-zemley-a-potom-poydut-na-sooruzheniya/




    Alexander Bernadsky about the property of SAZ: “This is just the beginning. Now they are slowly engaged in land, and then they will go to the facilities ”


    July 4, 2019

    Saratov news agency on June 10, 2019 published the newsabout the process of seizure of land from the Orange shopping center that began in the Arbitration Court of the Saratov Region. More precisely, we are talking about 16 plots of land adjacent to the shopping center.

    As is known, the shopping center itself and the land next to it are the former property of the Saratov Aviation Plant, which closed in 2012 as a result of bankruptcy. Now they are trying to return this territory to state ownership.
    https://nversia.ru/news/v-pravitelstve-nashli-otvetstvennogo-za-vozvraschenie-saratovskogo-aviacionnogo-zavoda/
     

    https://regnum.ru/news/society/2659403.html


    "It's just horror." How to destroy the aircraft factory Saratov, "dirty" land: an interview.

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