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    GarryB

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    Re: Military Aviation Industry: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:19 am

    I can't see the MiG-31 being state of the art by 2024.... by then they will need to have a replacement in sight and I would suggest that no model PAK FA will do the job.

    A lighter cheaper stealthy fighter makes sense... whether the Russians can get the UAE to pay for it or they have to pay for it themselves is another matter.

    The UAE certainly made the Pantsir from a capable but basic system into a very capable system with their funding and demands that things be much improved...


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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:I can't see the MiG-31 being state of the art by 2024.... by then they will need to have a replacement in sight and I would suggest that no model PAK FA will do the job.

    A lighter cheaper stealthy fighter makes sense... whether the Russians can get the UAE to pay for it or they have to pay for it themselves is another matter.

    The UAE certainly made the Pantsir from a capable but basic system into a very capable system with their funding and demands that things be much improved...

    UAE's contribution to the Pantsir was the S2 model, which is extensively used by Russia now.  After various tests in Syria, Russia is upgrading it themselves.  UAE only had the initial contribution.  Now the rest is done by Russia.  Although, I imagine the UAE will be interested in further iterations and upgrades.

    On that note though, being tight lipped about the MiG deal with UAE may not be a good thing, since it is possibly just paperwork agreements and nothing else.

    MiG-31 will have to be eventually replaced, but with what? I don't know. I imagine Sukhoi may design it and Mikoyan may build it. I don't know.
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    Re: Military Aviation Industry: News

    Post  GarryB Yesterday at 4:23 am

    UAE's contribution to the Pantsir was the S2 model, which is extensively used by Russia now. After various tests in Syria, Russia is upgrading it themselves. UAE only had the initial contribution. Now the rest is done by Russia. Although, I imagine the UAE will be interested in further iterations and upgrades.

    The Russian AF was happy with a 12km range Pantsir and was not putting any more money into the design.

    The UAE demanded upgrades of all radar and sensor systems and new missiles with new boosters to extend range to 20km.

    Without the UAE (demands and money) the Pantsir system would be fairly ordinary...

    MiG-31 will have to be eventually replaced, but with what? I don't know. I imagine Sukhoi may design it and Mikoyan may build it. I don't know.

    Yeah and get Polikarpov to design a new trainer...

    WTF would Sukhoi know about designing interceptors? Their best work... Su-15 was pretty ordinary compared with the MiG-25 and MiG-31 and the Su9 and Su-11 even more ordinary.

    The replacement for the MiG-31 will be a MiG... or possibly a Tupolev variant of the Tu-160M2... Smile


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    Post  miketheterrible Yesterday at 4:30 am

    Good luck then having Mikoyan get the contract. UAC is taking full control and merging the two corporations by end of this year.

    As for the Pantsir, it would have been upgraded with or without UAE in the end. UAE just speed up the process and funding, so it was good on them for that.

    Although, with the Finance ministry of Russia wanting to decrease defense spending and increase the interior forces (FSB, National Guard, etc) spending, then who knows what will happen now.

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