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nomadski- Posts : 2788
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Looks like we need to prove that Russia was not involved in some actions . Therefore identifiers or markers need to be left during each operation . Only to be revealed if accusation comes up to incriminate . Marker can be DNA or other tangible evidence . Or in case of cyber , an electronic marker . Unknown to them . Revealed if accusation arises . There is no point in hiding activity. If further false flag comes up . Russian government can supply detail to trump. During cold war there was a secure link . A simple wire teletext . In today cyber actions need to be identified clearly . This clarity although a handicap . Is preferred to war .
Example of new hot line: two electronic devices . Each in white house and Kremlin . Connected by secureline . Start and end operations are time marked and each machine sends code to third machine . In UN . Third party action or false flag ruled out . Any breach of protocol renders system ineffective . However it is interest of sides to adhere .confidence building .
This not as crazy as it sounds . In syria information shared before operation in hot zone . In case of intelligence operation , information shared after operation . And when false flag come up by cia or mi6 or terrorist .
Example of new hot line: two electronic devices . Each in white house and Kremlin . Connected by secureline . Start and end operations are time marked and each machine sends code to third machine . In UN . Third party action or false flag ruled out . Any breach of protocol renders system ineffective . However it is interest of sides to adhere .confidence building .
This not as crazy as it sounds . In syria information shared before operation in hot zone . In case of intelligence operation , information shared after operation . And when false flag come up by cia or mi6 or terrorist .
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Trump signs executive order withdrawing US from Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/01/23/trump-signs-order-withdrawing-u-s-from-trans-pacific-trade-deal/21660877/
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/01/23/trump-signs-order-withdrawing-u-s-from-trans-pacific-trade-deal/21660877/
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Hahahahaha...
The Clintons are shutting down the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI), a crucial part of the famous Clinton Foundation....
I wonder why there has be a sudden drop in contributions to that "charity"...
So donations were buying influence on the US government... but lets focus on Russian hackers supposedly influencing the elections in the US and ignore this blatant corruption...
Read more here: https://sputniknews.com/politics/201701241049971098-clinton-sponsors-interests/
The Clintons are shutting down the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI), a crucial part of the famous Clinton Foundation....
I wonder why there has be a sudden drop in contributions to that "charity"...
"Why would foreign governments suddenly lose interest in the charitable work the Clinton Foundation purported to do?" Geraghty asked rhetorically.
"They wouldn't, unless the Clinton Foundation and the CGI had existed to give foreign governments and businessmen a way to curry favor with a future president from the beginning," the journalist stressed.
So donations were buying influence on the US government... but lets focus on Russian hackers supposedly influencing the elections in the US and ignore this blatant corruption...
Read more here: https://sputniknews.com/politics/201701241049971098-clinton-sponsors-interests/
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A 'Color Revolution' Is Now Underway in the United States
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/color-revolution-under-way-united-states/ri18760
andalusia- Posts : 728
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I would like to know what do people think about Trump and US putting Iran on notice about their latest missile test? Also I would like a detailed explanation of the situation in Yemen that says Iran is arming the rebels there. Why is the US and Saudi Arabia involved?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adopts-aggressive-posture-toward-iran-missile-launch-001638643.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adopts-aggressive-posture-toward-iran-missile-launch-001638643.html
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andalusia wrote:I would like to know what do people think about Trump and US putting Iran on notice about their latest missile test? Also I would like a detailed explanation of the situation in Yemen that says Iran is arming the rebels there. Why is the US and Saudi Arabia involved?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adopts-aggressive-posture-toward-iran-missile-launch-001638643.html
Iran and Saudia Arabia are in a cold war and fund opposing Islamic factions. The Saudis are radicalizing Sunnis with Wahabbism, while Iran
has been mostly trying to prevent the extermination of Shi'ites by the Wahabbis. If you follow strife in Pakistan there was and still continues
a long string of terror bombings of Shi'ites by Wahabbis.
Israel and Saudi Arabia are de facto allies even if the rhetoric does not match. They are both protectorates and client states of the USA.
The USA has been brazenly supporting Wahabbi terrorists in Syria. Syria is a long standing ally of Iran. The Israelis are actually helping
ISIS/Daesh fighters who cross into its territory for medical and other aid. Israel can't pretend it is doing this out of humanitarian concern.
It is in a rabid fight with Shi'ites in Lebanon and its prime target is Iran. Hebrews may as well be Sunnis how they ally themselves with them.
The above picture is a bit simplistic since not all Sunnis are Shia hating Wahabbis and you can see this in Syria where much of the SAA is
composed of Sunnis even if it is Sunni regions that have been taken over by the jihadis.
America is not going to be Russia's friend. America's elites are deluded with exceptionalism and manifest destiny. Politicians come and go
but this scummy essence remains. Trump will try to put a wedge between Russia and China. America's rulers are deathly afraid of a
Eurasian alliance: Russia, China, Iran and other states. This will create the most potent economic zone on the planet and hence the most
powerful bloc. The Sun is setting over the west and is rising over Eurasia.
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@Andalusia
First point about Iran nuclear deal . Iran has not broken the deal as per UN resolution . The missile tests are all conventional warhead and not nuclear . And as such there are allowed . No mention of range was made in UN resolution either . So Iran can have as many varied range ballistic missiles with conventional warheads . However the yanks are in breach of UN resolution . Since all unilateral and multilateral sanctions had to be removed . However banking sanctions remain . And Iran can not sell it's oil . And it is unable to buy passenger planes from Boing . And Airbus has problems too . Since some components are from Boing . This action by yank is a practical breaking of nuclear deal . If not an official tearing up of deal . The result will be the same . Iran will respond in kind . But this may not be known to all .
Did Russia vote in favour of UN resolution in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and yemen ? Allowing military action by yanks ? If they had voted against . Then this was better . This would make such actions illegal . Just because a government forms the majority , this does not make them legitimate . Just because opposition is minority , this does not make them illegitimate . This depends on many different factors . Such as their politics and whether they are willing to compromise . Are they peaceful and ready for ceasefire . And if they will coexist with others .......
In this sense the Houthis are not comparable to isis in Syria . And Hadi is not comparable to Assad . The Russians and Chinese have to understand this . And make distinctions . Sanctions must be imposed on those who transgress the boundaries and reject peace . A new UN resolution is needed for Yemen . The yanks and Brits should not be allowed to drag their heels with the text . People in Yemen are dying under the weight of the inhuman and unjust previous UN resolution .
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nomadski wrote:
@Andalusia
First point about Iran nuclear deal . Iran has not broken the deal as per UN resolution . The missile tests are all conventional warhead and not nuclear . And as such there are allowed . No mention of range was made in UN resolution either . So Iran can have as many varied range ballistic missiles with conventional warheads . However the yanks are in breach of UN resolution . Since all unilateral and multilateral sanctions had to be removed . However banking sanctions remain . And Iran can not sell it's oil . And it is unable to buy passenger planes from Boing . And Airbus has problems too . Since some components are from Boing . This action by yank is a practical breaking of nuclear deal . If not an official tearing up of deal . The result will be the same . Iran will respond in kind . But this may not be known to all .
Did Russia vote in favour of UN resolution in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and yemen ? Allowing military action by yanks ? If they had voted against . Then this was better . This would make such actions illegal . Just because a government forms the majority , this does not make them legitimate . Just because opposition is minority , this does not make them illegitimate . This depends on many different factors . Such as their politics and whether they are willing to compromise . Are they peaceful and ready for ceasefire . And if they will coexist with others .......
In this sense the Houthis are not comparable to isis in Syria . And Hadi is not comparable to Assad . The Russians and Chinese have to understand this . And make distinctions . Sanctions must be imposed on those who transgress the boundaries and reject peace . A new UN resolution is needed for Yemen . The yanks and Brits should not be allowed to drag their heels with the text . People in Yemen are dying under the weight of the inhuman and unjust previous UN resolution .
i said as much on the MESS that it was America who broke the deal by not removing the agreed sanctions and that it was hypocrisy to believe that America can ignore an agreement while the American believes it's opponents should still adhere to the agreement ... my comments were not well received by Americans and and their Israelis pals
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I would like to know what do people think about Trump and US putting Iran
nomadski Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:50 pm
@Godric
Yes well said . I knew also that they will not stick to deal . But Iran had to try . I think Iran will adhere to the UN resolution . Andwill hope that US sanctions will remain unilateral sanctions . And that they can overcome banking sanctions with the help of some European or Russian or Chinese banks . Together with trade with them . In the end the yanks would have cut off their noses to spite their faces . In the end they may have to resort to direct military intervention . And then it is best that Iran confronts them with own military . So Russia and China should not be concerned with the scale of our defences . It is better for them to stay out of it . Giving indirect help .
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I didn't understand why Russians were celebrating when Trump became President of US. Yes Clinton didn't like Russia. Why did you guys think American Foreign policy would change. Do you guys realize that US is an enemy of Russia?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2773831/donald-trump-tough-vladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-gives-back-crimea/
I was reading a website where the author does not like Russia or China.
"Why must Russia and China be rivals or enemies?"
Because they have been for several decades and most likely always will be,at the very least, rivals to West led, or not in recent times, by America.
These are different cultures with different outlooks on the world than the West.
These countries have nor ever will never be our friends, you should simply accept it.
That's not to say we can't co-operate in many ways but they will continue to play a version of the 19th century "Great Game" with the West in their spheres of influence and also as they try to expand those respective spheres.
We need only look at the recent actions of Putin and Shi Ji Ping.
They have direct control of their respective nations, for the most part, and how they took advantage of Americas lack of action under Obama is obvious.
:::: One could say that the actions of the US are bad too.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2773831/donald-trump-tough-vladimir-putin-sanctions-russia-gives-back-crimea/
I was reading a website where the author does not like Russia or China.
"Why must Russia and China be rivals or enemies?"
Because they have been for several decades and most likely always will be,at the very least, rivals to West led, or not in recent times, by America.
These are different cultures with different outlooks on the world than the West.
These countries have nor ever will never be our friends, you should simply accept it.
That's not to say we can't co-operate in many ways but they will continue to play a version of the 19th century "Great Game" with the West in their spheres of influence and also as they try to expand those respective spheres.
We need only look at the recent actions of Putin and Shi Ji Ping.
They have direct control of their respective nations, for the most part, and how they took advantage of Americas lack of action under Obama is obvious.
:::: One could say that the actions of the US are bad too.
GarryB- Posts : 38978
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Clinton hates Russia... there would be nothing but cold war with her in power.
Trump is not Russia friendly but he sees Russia as a huge powerful country that the US has to cooperate with to get things done.
With Clinton it is America first and crush any rivals to the crown because America is best and no one else can be allowed in the same game.
With Trump... he sees what all this America first bullshit has actually done to the real people of the US and while he is very rich he clearly recognises that the US can be great without making most Americans slaves to the 1 percent with money.
He is no robin hood... but at least he will say no to wall street and let more americans have a bite of the pie.
I don't like Trump much... he has too many about faces for me... but as they say better the devil you know... well Hilary would definitely be bad... Trump just might be...
I suspect half the people voting for trump supported Sanders and just voted to Trump because they could not bring themselves to vote for hilary.
Another factor is that the US media ignores over half the US population... they believe their own propaganda and believed Hilary would walk into office... they were wrong and when they were found to be wrong it was Russian hackers or aliens or whatever... they are in total denial because the big business wanted Hilary in power and they are owned by big business... clearly something many Americans do not want... more of the same.
Trump is not Russia friendly but he sees Russia as a huge powerful country that the US has to cooperate with to get things done.
With Clinton it is America first and crush any rivals to the crown because America is best and no one else can be allowed in the same game.
With Trump... he sees what all this America first bullshit has actually done to the real people of the US and while he is very rich he clearly recognises that the US can be great without making most Americans slaves to the 1 percent with money.
He is no robin hood... but at least he will say no to wall street and let more americans have a bite of the pie.
I don't like Trump much... he has too many about faces for me... but as they say better the devil you know... well Hilary would definitely be bad... Trump just might be...
I suspect half the people voting for trump supported Sanders and just voted to Trump because they could not bring themselves to vote for hilary.
Another factor is that the US media ignores over half the US population... they believe their own propaganda and believed Hilary would walk into office... they were wrong and when they were found to be wrong it was Russian hackers or aliens or whatever... they are in total denial because the big business wanted Hilary in power and they are owned by big business... clearly something many Americans do not want... more of the same.
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GarryB wrote:Clinton hates Russia... there would be nothing but cold war with her in power.
Trump is not Russia friendly but he sees Russia as a huge powerful country that the US has to cooperate with to get things done.
With Clinton it is America first and crush any rivals to the crown because America is best and no one else can be allowed in the same game.
With Trump... he sees what all this America first bullshit has actually done to the real people of the US and while he is very rich he clearly recognises that the US can be great without making most Americans slaves to the 1 percent with money.
He is no robin hood... but at least he will say no to wall street and let more americans have a bite of the pie.
I don't like Trump much... he has too many about faces for me... but as they say better the devil you know... well Hilary would definitely be bad... Trump just might be...
I suspect half the people voting for trump supported Sanders and just voted to Trump because they could not bring themselves to vote for hilary.
Another factor is that the US media ignores over half the US population... they believe their own propaganda and believed Hilary would walk into office... they were wrong and when they were found to be wrong it was Russian hackers or aliens or whatever... they are in total denial because the big business wanted Hilary in power and they are owned by big business... clearly something many Americans do not want... more of the same.
Garry B: Some of Trump's early decisions cater to Wall Street; he wants to eliminate regulations on banks that were put in place after the recession in 2008 like the Dodd Frank act. I wouldn't underestimate him; He could turn out to be bad. Secretary of Defense Mattis already talked bad about Russia.
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I am not stupid enough to think a Trump led US would be best buddies with Russia.
I do think that Trump can work with Russia rather than just oppose Russia on ideology alone.
US congress would rather make a political opponent look bad rather than pass laws that are good for the American people.
Hilary is the same... she would rather the US suffered than do anything that might benefit Russia even if it also benefited the US.
She loves war... makes her think the US is strong.
When the only path to the white house requires enormous amounts of money to get to the white house you must either be rich or supported by rich people.
Rich people are not going to let someone get into the white house that would jeopardise their ability to make easy money... the people controlling the system have benefited from that system and don't want any major changes.
Lobby groups in the US don't target republican or democrat... they bribe both sides... so it really does not matter who gets in... they are all bought before they step into the job.
I do think that Trump can work with Russia rather than just oppose Russia on ideology alone.
US congress would rather make a political opponent look bad rather than pass laws that are good for the American people.
Hilary is the same... she would rather the US suffered than do anything that might benefit Russia even if it also benefited the US.
She loves war... makes her think the US is strong.
When the only path to the white house requires enormous amounts of money to get to the white house you must either be rich or supported by rich people.
Rich people are not going to let someone get into the white house that would jeopardise their ability to make easy money... the people controlling the system have benefited from that system and don't want any major changes.
Lobby groups in the US don't target republican or democrat... they bribe both sides... so it really does not matter who gets in... they are all bought before they step into the job.
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GarryB wrote:I am not stupid enough to think a Trump led US would be best buddies with Russia.
I do think that Trump can work with Russia rather than just oppose Russia on ideology alone.
The good part is that for a conceivable future, no matter the outcome of Trump’s trials and tribulations with America’s ‘deep state’, Moscow and Beijing would have no option but to swim together – to push back at the US until they checkmate American power and bury the American elite’s ‘uni-polar predicament’.
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Michael Flynn Leaves Post of Trump's National Security Adviser
Trump Expects Russia to 'Return Crimea' to Ukraine - White House
It looks like Russia hating forces in the US are working hard to choke Trump's initiative to mend relations and force him to confront Russia at all costs. I really WISH Putin would come up with or at least ask the best strategists in Russia to formulate a plan to dismantle NATO hegemony over the world's financial system, only a complete economic collapse will throw NATO into chaos along with their military and globalist ambitions. its the only way to save Russia from being harassed everytime they purse their interests.
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Project Canada wrote:
Michael Flynn Leaves Post of Trump's National Security Adviser
Trump Expects Russia to 'Return Crimea' to Ukraine - White House
It looks like Russia hating forces in the US are working hard to choke Trump's initiative to mend relations and force him to confront Russia at all costs. I really WISH Putin would come up with or at least ask the best strategists in Russia to formulate a plan to dismantle NATO hegemony over the world's financial system, only a complete economic collapse will throw NATO into chaos along with their military and globalist ambitions. its the only way to save Russia from being harassed everytime they purse their interests.
Stupid is, as stupid does. For a moment the US establishment had chance at trying to pry China and Russia apart and win the long game.
They are now back to their bankrupt, insane delusion that Russia is some banana republic that can be pushed around. The crap about
Crimea is rich. Does Russia also have to give Sevastopol back even though it was never transferred from Russia to Ukraine by Khruschev?
This whole shtick of "international recognition" is vapid irrelevance. "Recognition" is not replacement for rights and facts on the ground.
Some of the biggest hypocrites on Crimea are the UK. They always invoke the will of the population of the Falklands and Gibraltar as
coming before the territorial aspect. Yet they routinely act as if the ethnic Russian majority in Crimea has no rights and some bogus
territorial "rights" of Ukraine are paramount. Ukraine never had any rights to Sevastopol and its claims to the rest of Crimea are based on
the illegal transfer by Khruschev and "recognition" of its "rights" by foreign powers.
I hope Crimea keeps the riling the west and forcing it to keep sanctions on Russia for decades to come. These sanctions are a godsend
to Russia.
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I actually agree... good relations with the west will only increase the strings that the west will try to tie up the Russians with...
I am sure Putin will return the Crimea to the Ukraine... when the US returns Alaska to Russia, and most of the southern US states to Mexico... and Guantanimo to Cuba for that matter...
I am sure Putin will return the Crimea to the Ukraine... when the US returns Alaska to Russia, and most of the southern US states to Mexico... and Guantanimo to Cuba for that matter...
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kvs wrote:Project Canada wrote:
Michael Flynn Leaves Post of Trump's National Security Adviser
Trump Expects Russia to 'Return Crimea' to Ukraine - White House
It looks like Russia hating forces in the US are working hard to choke Trump's initiative to mend relations and force him to confront Russia at all costs. I really WISH Putin would come up with or at least ask the best strategists in Russia to formulate a plan to dismantle NATO hegemony over the world's financial system, only a complete economic collapse will throw NATO into chaos along with their military and globalist ambitions. its the only way to save Russia from being harassed everytime they purse their interests.
Stupid is, as stupid does. For a moment the US establishment had chance at trying to pry China and Russia apart and win the long game.
They are now back to their bankrupt, insane delusion that Russia is some banana republic that can be pushed around. The crap about
Crimea is rich. Does Russia also have to give Sevastopol back even though it was never transferred from Russia to Ukraine by Khruschev?
This whole shtick of "international recognition" is vapid irrelevance. "Recognition" is not replacement for rights and facts on the ground.
Some of the biggest hypocrites on Crimea are the UK. They always invoke the will of the population of the Falklands and Gibraltar as
coming before the territorial aspect. Yet they routinely act as if the ethnic Russian majority in Crimea has no rights and some bogus
territorial "rights" of Ukraine are paramount. Ukraine never had any rights to Sevastopol and its claims to the rest of Crimea are based on
the illegal transfer by Khruschev and "recognition" of its "rights" by foreign powers.
I hope Crimea keeps the riling the west and forcing it to keep sanctions on Russia for decades to come. These sanctions are a godsend to Russia.
This is very true, before the sanctions Russia was lazy and just depended on oil and gas. But now Russia has been forced to diversify it's economy and become more self reliant. This will hurt in the short term but will be very very very beneficially in the long term.
What does everyone think of this article.
“IT’S OVER FOLKS”: NEOCONS, DEEP STATE HAVE NEUTERED TRUMP PRESIDENCY."
https://southfront.org/its-over-folks-neocons-deep-state-have-neutered-trump-presidency/
par far- Posts : 3488
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GarryB wrote:I actually agree... good relations with the west will only increase the strings that the west will try to tie up the Russians with...
I am sure Putin will return the Crimea to the Ukraine... when the US returns Alaska to Russia, and most of the southern US states to Mexico... and Guantanimo to Cuba for that matter...
Very well said GarryB.
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The Saker is always spot on. And, unfortunately in this case, he is again right. Oh well, at least I had a very good time seeing Trump scare liberal interventionists and neocons, troll celebrities, say to a CNN journo that he is fake news. It was fun.par far wrote:
What does everyone think of this article.
“IT’S OVER FOLKS”: NEOCONS, DEEP STATE HAVE NEUTERED TRUMP PRESIDENCY."
https://southfront.org/its-over-folks-neocons-deep-state-have-neutered-trump-presidency/
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I think Saker is being a bit overwhelmed with gloom. It ain't over yet by a long sight. Rally scheduled for Saturday in Melbourne, FL.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/15/president-trump-announces-a-rally-in-melbourne-florida-saturday-february-18th-500pm/#more-128687
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/15/president-trump-announces-a-rally-in-melbourne-florida-saturday-february-18th-500pm/#more-128687