Project 11711: "Ivan Gren" class

"not some faggot on the internet whining because it takes longer than they thing is necessary for this size ship or that size ship."

I got nothing to say to you now, if you are going to use such a slur.

What a joke Garry and frankly disgraceful on your part., I hope another admin of staff members sees this and reprimands you for it.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:I got nothing to say to you now, if you are going to use such a slur.

IF this is how you act, when some criticize Russia you should not be an Admin.

All you have done is again made excuses but no you crossed a line using that word because I called Russia out.

What a joke Garry and frankly disgraceful on your part., I hope another admin of staff members sees this and reprimands you for it.

George1 wrote:

MOSCOW, December 25. /TASS/. Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) expects to deliver the large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren and the third Project 11356 frigate Admiral Makarov to the Russian Navy by the yearend, USC Head Alexei Rakhmanov said on Monday.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/982916

George1 wrote:Pr.11711 large landing ship Ivan Gren (135) is having issues with its astern propulsion. MoD trials have been suspended until the end of January 2018.

https://flotprom.ru/2018/287567/

No words....just no words

GarryB wrote:Who gives a fuck if it is having problems with its propulsion... it must be put in service immediately and it is all of Russias fault.

When its specs were created it was a different time and since then things have changed and this vessel has not adapted with the changes so eventually it will be completed and go into service but it may never be used for anything except training.

So propulsion problems... so who is incompetent... who do we hang for this transgression?

No words....just no words

Nice change.

But surely now you have specific targets for your bleating... you can isolate the propulsion makers for the sabotaging of this critical piece of weaponry that was to save the Russian Empire.. bastards.

Of course... fault finding and testing should be banned completely as time wasters and it should be put straight into service... sort it out there.

Sorry, I am putting words in your mouth... you go ahead and have a whinge (a moan).

George1 wrote:Pr.11711 large landing ship Ivan Gren (135) is having issues with its astern propulsion. MoD trials have been suspended until the end of January 2018.

https://flotprom.ru/2018/287567/

GarryB wrote:Who gives a fuck if it is having problems with its propulsion... it must be put in service immediately and it is all of Russias fault.

When its specs were created it was a different time and since then things have changed and this vessel has not adapted with the changes so eventually it will be completed and go into service but it may never be used for anything except training.

So propulsion problems... so who is incompetent... who do we hang for this transgression?

No words....just no words

Nice change.

But surely now you have specific targets for your bleating... you can isolate the propulsion makers for the sabotaging of this critical piece of weaponry that was to save the Russian Empire.. bastards.

Of course... fault finding and testing should be banned completely as time wasters and it should be put straight into service... sort it out there.

Sorry, I am putting words in your mouth... you go ahead and have a whinge (a moan).

Isos wrote:

GarryB wrote:Who gives a fuck if it is having problems with its propulsion... it must be put in service immediately and it is all of Russias fault.

When its specs were created it was a different time and since then things have changed and this vessel has not adapted with the changes so eventually it will be completed and go into service but it may never be used for anything except training.

So propulsion problems... so who is incompetent... who do we hang for this transgression?

No words....just no words

Nice change.

But surely now you have specific targets for your bleating... you can isolate the propulsion makers for the sabotaging of this critical piece of weaponry that was to save the Russian Empire.. bastards.

Of course... fault finding and testing should be banned completely as time wasters and it should be put straight into service... sort it out there.

Sorry, I am putting words in your mouth... you go ahead and have a whinge (a moan).

I think you are right concerning the fact that it was designed in a different time by other people so it's kinda hard to finish work of others. Now they have the same people wirking on the design, construction and test so new vessel won't have those issues.

LoL if they told someone who never had any experience in ship construction sure, however they did this excuse is stupid. IT's just Garry defending Russia because it's Russia and trying to make up any excuse to justify it.

Isos wrote:

LoL if they told someone who never had any experience in ship construction sure, however they did this excuse is stupid. IT's just Garry defending Russia because it's Russia and trying to make up any excuse to justify it.

Well from the 90s to the 00s they were in hard times so probably many engineers went away and since Putin came new workers had to gain experience. It's quite hard to build new ships not just for Russia, look at the news for the german new frigate ...

Ivan Gren Landing Ship: No Hope to Join Navy before March Due to Reverse-Run Problems, Insider Says

Project 11711 landing ship Ivan Gren being constructed at the Yantar Shipyard (Kaliningrad, Russia) cannot be handed over to the Russian Navy because of the back draught problems; the tests are suspended till the month end, a well-aware insider told Mil.Today. According to him, the ship will take sea at the end of January.
The problems of reverse run are the only thing hindering the ship’s commissioning into the Russian Navy, which was planned back in December 2017, the expert said.
A source in the Navy told Mil.Today that the decision to postpone the ship’s handover had been made by the scientific council of the Naval Academy on December 26.

The ship "appeared to have seven serious problems to be resolved, some on papers, some upon follow-up revision", the insider added. The break in the ship’s trials was personally declared by the head of the state commission. The next session was scheduled on February 1, and then the decisions will be analyzed and signed

"Well, the ship could have been commissioned in December, but the navy plays safe to avoid future problems. Gren did have certain problems of seaworthiness and stability in the past, but they were fixed then. The only issue remained is backward run steerage", he said.
Press service of the Yantar Shipyard refused to answer the Mil.Today’s questions. Russian Navy’s spokesman, Capt 1 Rank Igor Dygalo failed to pick up the phone either.

The ship’s diesel engine, D1049, was made by the Kolomensky Zavod. It is connected to the screw via reduction gear produced by Zvezda PJSC. According to the Kolomensky Zavod’s officials, they are not aware of any problems regarding the engine. "Thus, the issue is either about reduction gear or the failure is non-fatal and can be fixed", another expert told Mil.Today.
Press service of Zvezda PJSC could not give any prompt comments; the company’s director Pavel Plavnik was inaccessible. Later, on January 17, Zvezda’s spokesman reported there were no problems with the reduction gear.

"Some problems are connected only with the reverse speed", Sergey Vlasov, director of Nevskoye Design Bureau that developed the ship’s project shared with Mil.Today

An insider at a Russian design office harshly criticized navigability of Ivan Gren and discredited the need for serial production of these ships. As for him, the project was designed for the ‘river-sea’ zones to redeploy landing parties between different theaters, and the ship’s dimensions initially corresponded to parameters of the Volga-Don Canal locks and clearance of bridges.
"Project 11711 was meant to replace the small-size obsolete Project 775 landing ships, it was literally whomped up", said the shipbuilder. "When the ‘river-sea’ condition was lifted, they made the ship’s deck structure larger. This and other alterations negatively affected the hull stability", the expert concluded.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Isos wrote:

LoL if they told someone who never had any experience in ship construction sure, however they did this excuse is stupid. IT's just Garry defending Russia because it's Russia and trying to make up any excuse to justify it.

Well from the 90s to the 00s they were in hard times so probably many engineers went away and since Putin came new workers had to gain experience. It's quite hard to build new ships not just for Russia, look at the news for the german new frigate ...

Württemberg-class frigate's are closer to the size of DD's then Frigates at the tonnage of 7-8K.

The build time of four years is quite good for a ship of that size.

runaway wrote:There is no need to get excited, its just trouble with propulsion. We all know this ships long time of idle building status and so on, now it seems its almost ready except for minor trouble with propulsion.
We also know they built these 6 kilo subs and 3 frigates for the BSF in good time. But with sanctions and low oil price they have had to make priorities, so I say again, nothing to get excited for.
The ship will be transferred to Navy when the Navy is satisfied it works 100%, nothing strange.

runaway wrote:There is no need to get excited, its just trouble with propulsion. We all know this ships long time of idle building status and so on, now it seems its almost ready except for minor trouble with propulsion.
We also know they built these 6 kilo subs and 3 frigates for the BSF in good time. But with sanctions and low oil price they have had to make priorities, so I say again, nothing to get excited for.
The ship will be transferred to Navy when the Navy is satisfied it works 100%, nothing strange.

Big_Gazza wrote:More red meat for the Gren-ophobes!  

marat wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:More red meat for the Gren-ophobes!  

So member who are mad becouse this ( simple landing ship) cannot be build in 11 years are gren-phobes?

Big_Gazza wrote:

marat wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:More red meat for the Gren-ophobes!  

So member who are mad becouse this ( simple landing ship) cannot be build in 11 years are gren-phobes?

Oh grow up...  the Gren is a victim of shifting priorities, lack of urgency, and a corresponding limited allocated resources.  We don't need to carry on like the sky is falling over one unloved tank landing ship...