Syrian Civil War: News #6

New pics of SyAF Su-22M4. Seems someone got some spares.

http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201602221657-5a3p.htm

Правительственные войска Сирии вернули контроль над трассой Асрия – Ханасер в районе Алеппо. Об этом со ссылкой на источник сообщает РИА Новости.

Боевики взяли под контроль трассу, по которой осуществлялось снабжение правительственной армии, накануне. Войска САР подготовили контратаку, в ходе которой оттеснили джихадистов. Однако часть дороги оказалась заминирована.

It seems Syrian army return control of the main supply road for Aleppo, but it is still mined. They will have to bit terrorists far away from the road to fully secure it.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote: Because the alternative involves letting the enemy to get away and eventually losing orders of magnitude more of your soldiers in battling properly regrouped forces of the enemy that got away.

Also, check the news that has been following the one you are referring to.

Nothing new here, this has been happening almost every day after the Russian assistance started.

The tactical and the operational sciences are well known.

That would require you knowing places where terrorist scum is concentrating and not letting them to urban areas. Unless you can just carpet bomb those, otherwise you need to have urban combat where AF usage is very restricted.

As you say, the logic in the plans that the SAA has been using is to lure the terrorists into attack mode so they are forced out into the open. As opposed to the reverse with the SAA having to attack them in their pre-planned and built defensive positions usually in urban areas.

Militarov wrote:New pics of SyAF Su-22M4. Seems someone got some spares.

Rusty old bombs as well.

Militarov wrote:New pics of SyAF Su-22M4. Seems someone got some spares.

either new spares or this is one of the ones that Iran gave them a few months back, good to see it fully loaded.

medo wrote:http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201602221657-5a3p.htm

Правительственные войска Сирии вернули контроль над трассой Асрия – Ханасер в районе Алеппо. Об этом со ссылкой на источник сообщает РИА Новости.

Боевики взяли под контроль трассу,  по которой осуществлялось снабжение правительственной армии, накануне. Войска САР подготовили контратаку, в ходе которой оттеснили джихадистов. Однако часть дороги оказалась заминирована.

It seems Syrian army return control of the main supply road for Aleppo, but it is still mined. They will have to bit terrorists far away from the road to fully secure it.

A couple of months ago they tried that, cut the Aleppo-Ithiriyah road for a few days. And the result shortly after: Kuweiris siege lifted, Numbol/Zahra siege lifted, IS driven out of thermal plant, SAA at the gates of Al Bab, FSA blocked around Azaz and Hadher with tens of villages at SW Aleppo liberated.

One would wonder what will happen now... within reach are Jirah and Tabaqa airbases at the East, Abu Duhrur at the West. Aleppo ready for surrounding and Saraqib (gateway to Idlib) within SAA&co sights. Needless to say Deir Hafir and Al Bab and a possible push all the way to lake Assad, to cut Raqa supply line.

Decisions, decisions

KoTeMoRe wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Several days old info, but there have been regular Il-76 flights out of Damascus to Syrian Kurdistan. Any guess on the cargo?

http://mil-avia.livejournal.com/155013.html

Ammo, supplies, Russian people with guns.

Wonder how the supplies made the last few yards, air-drop, desert/road landing or that lovely upgraded runway the US has just completed. Be a hoot to see the Il-76 next to a C-130 or C-17, defo worth a picture.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Several days old info, but there have been regular Il-76 flights out of Damascus to Syrian Kurdistan. Any guess on the cargo?



http://mil-avia.livejournal.com/155013.html

Ammo, supplies, Russian people with guns.

There's an SAA exclave there (Qamisli, Soototo forces) so these flights have been regular before.

PS. of course nobody can rule out a slight diversification of the politeness in the cargo

KiloGolf wrote:

medo wrote:

It seems Syrian army return control of the main supply road for Aleppo, but it is still mined. They will have to bit terrorists far away from the road to fully secure it.

A couple of months ago they tried that, cut the Aleppo-Ithiriyah road for a few days. And the result shortly after: Kuweiris siege lifted, Numbol/Zahra siege lifted, IS driven out of thermal plant, SAA at the gates of Al Bab, FSA blocked around Azaz and Hadher with tens of villages at SW Aleppo liberated.

One would wonder what will happen now... within reach are Jirah and Tabaqa airbases at the East, Abu Duhrur at the West. Aleppo ready for surrounding and Saraqib (gateway to Idlib) within SAA&co sights. Needless to say Deir Hafir and Al Bab and a possible push all the way to lake Assad, to cut Raqa supply line.

Decisions, decisions

No real hurry to take Aleppo apart from political. String it out for longer to suck in more nasties, cut supplies and just wait. The claimed 800+ that went in a few days ago will need quite a lot of food and I bet they went in with ammo not food.

[quote="JohninMK"][quote="KiloGolf"]

medo wrote:No real hurry to take Aleppo apart from political. String it out for longer to suck in more nasties, cut supplies and just wait. The claimed 800+ that went in a few days ago will need quite a lot of food and I bet they went in with ammo not food.

I'm pretty sure they acted based on intel passed to them by Erdo & friends, irrespectively of whether they can actually hold that location for long. IS is already not paying mercenary salaries for over a month now. Their handlers use them as pawns only to delay the inevitable: SAA and YPG expansion in Aleppo province, Raqa supply lines with Turkey cut and so on.

Sometimes good intel is not enough and gets your side killed faster.

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:New pics of SyAF Su-22M4. Seems someone got some spares.

Rusty old bombs as well.

I do hope the takfiris have kept their tetanus jabs up to date. It would be awful if they caught tetanus from dirty old rusty bomb fragments.

short_fuze wrote:
I do hope the takfiris have kept their tetanus jabs up to date. It would be awful if they caught tetanus from dirty old rusty bomb fragments.  

Love it.

Militarov wrote:FSA Brigade 16 street clashes with YPG/SDF in Aleppo:



Seems everyone is trying to get to Aleppo now.

I'm not sure if this has been posted. It seems that even the squad commander (guy in green sweater, no guns at 0:30 ?) is cringing with embarassment. It looks like the SMG operator is the same man in both clips (0:15 onwards in first clip).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsuSpef7wGM

SA to provide ISIS with SAM

SAA operations.

http://southfront.org/international-military-review-syria-feb-22-2016/

so 27 th another ceasefire. Putin and Obama agreed. I wonder what will be with Aleppo and turkey border?

Putin told about details of cooperation with the US proposals for a ceasefire in Syria
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/495771

Moscow. February 22. INTERFAX.RU - the President of Russia Vladimir Putin announced the terms on which, at midnight on 27 February in Syria must stop fighting.

"Until noon on February 26, all the warring parties in Syria must confirm to us or to the American partners of its commitment to the ceasefire", - said Putin. The US and Russia invited the parties to the conflict in Syria to cease fire from February 27
to Read more According to Putin, "Russian and American military jointly, the maps will identify areas in which there are such groups". "Military operations against them by the armed forces of the SAR, the Russian armed forces and the US-led coalition will not be conducted," - said the Russian leader.

He stressed that "the opposition, in turn, would stop fighting against the armed forces of Syria and the factions that support them".

The Russian leader confirmed that the ceasefire in Syria will not spread to the Islamic state (group banned in Russia) and other terrorist organizations recognized as such by the UN security Council.

"As for ISIS, Dzhabhat-EN-Nusra and other terrorist organizations recognized as such under the UN security Council, they cease fighting completely eliminated. The impacts on them will be applied and further", - said Putin.

He also said that "Russia will undertake the necessary work with Damascus, with the legitimate leadership in Syria."

We hope that the United States will do the same with its allies and the factions that supported them", - said the President of the Russian Federation.

Well then what if Assad wins? moderate will be non-moderate anymore?

Media: Bashar al-Assad has called for parliamentary elections in Syria on 13 April

https://russian.rt.com/article/150124

Syria's President Bashar al-Assad issued a special statement in which has urged to hold early parliamentary elections in Syria on 13 April.
"President Assad has issued decree number 63, which assigns the 13 April 2016 date of election of members of the people's Assembly (the Syrian Parliament. — RT)", — reports RIA Novosti message to the Syrian Agency SANA.
This step was followed by after tonight Moscow and Washington issued a joint statement, which contains the proposal to establish a truce in the Syrian Arab Republic since February 27, 2016. The President of Russia Vladimir Putin also made a special appeal.

short_fuze wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:New pics of SyAF Su-22M4. Seems someone got some spares.

Rusty old bombs as well.

I do hope the takfiris have kept their tetanus jabs up to date. It would be awful if they caught tetanus from dirty old rusty bomb fragments.  

Anyone identify the bombs?

Pictures of the Damascus ISIS suicide bombers proudly with their Toyotas , looks like a previous generation Land Cruiser (slogan 'unstoppable'). Seems ISIS gets Toyota SUV as well as the pickups.

https://twitter.com/Hamosh84/status/701831473071001601

Does anyone have figures on current Syrian air force numbers??? despite RuAF involvement i believe they are still pretty active but dont hear too much about there operations. I know about 10 months ago Iran gave them 10 refurbished Su-22 they had in storage.

According to flight global figures in January 2016 the Syrians had the following in service:

MiG-21= 53
MiG-23 =90
MiG-25= 2
MiG-29= 20, + (12 ordered)
Su-22= 42
Su-24 =18
An-26 =2
Ka-28 =2
Mi-2 =13
Mi-8/17 =52
Mi-14 =11
Mi-25 =28
SA342 =62
L-39 =66
Yak-130 (36 ordered)




Since Russian intervention have you noticed you dont hear anything on the news about barrel bombs anymore. No doubt Syrian air force are now using proper munitions now that munitions for the RuAF are being delivered.

I bet when the Russian pilots arrived and saw the state of what the Syrians were flying they must have been shocked. Syrian aircraft must be pretty tired now with the amount of sorties flown. What amazes me is just how hardy soviet aircraft is, a testimony to the designers. According to flight global 2016, in the top 10 active aircraft in service are the following (soviet/Russian)


Number 3------su-27/30=943
Number 5------Mig-29=819
Number 6 ------Mig-21 =551
Number 7------su-25=503

the Mig-21 sitting at number 6 with 551 in service this pretty impressive. sitting at number 10 is J-7 (418 in service) which is just chinese copy
of Mig-21

The Syrians i'd imagine are still flying Mig-21, Su-17/22, Mig-23, mostly, with probably a few Su-24, Mig-29, L-39 and Mi-24. Their Mig-25 will be grounded i would suspect due to cost and with Russia supplying good intel no need to use them. And still no Yak-130 in sight, will no doubt be delivered once this mess is over as Syria will be in desperate of aircraft. I wonder if Russia will keep a permanent airbase in Syria after the mess is over and if not will they leave the Mi-24, Mi-8, Su-24, and Su-25 to the Syrians?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:so 27 th another ceasefire. Putin and Obama agreed. I wonder what will be with Aleppo and turkey border?

Putin told about details of cooperation with the US proposals for a ceasefire in Syria
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/495771

Moderate or not it it will depend on Putin and Assad, so combat in Aleppo and Turkish border will continued as usual.  

The only true "moderate opposition" are YPG and FSA factions who closely side with them.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Well then what if Assad wins? moderate will be non-moderate anymore?

Media: Bashar al-Assad has called for parliamentary elections in Syria on 13 April

https://russian.rt.com/article/150124

Probably the West will say "fraud", "fraud", like they did in Russia.

English link for non-Russian reader: https://www.rt.com/news/333290-syria-assad-general-election/

JohninMK wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:A couple of months ago they tried that, cut the Aleppo-Ithiriyah road for a few days. And the result shortly after: Kuweiris siege lifted, Numbol/Zahra siege lifted, IS driven out of thermal plant, SAA at the gates of Al Bab, FSA blocked around Azaz and Hadher with tens of villages at SW Aleppo liberated.

One would wonder what will happen now... within reach are Jirah and Tabaqa airbases at the East, Abu Duhrur at the West. Aleppo ready for surrounding and Saraqib (gateway to Idlib) within SAA&co sights. Needless to say Deir Hafir and Al Bab and a possible push all the way to lake Assad, to cut Raqa supply line.

Decisions, decisions

No real hurry to take Aleppo apart from political. String it out for longer to suck in more nasties, cut supplies and just wait. The claimed 800+ that went in a few days ago will need quite a lot of food and I bet they went in with ammo not food.

Air superiorty still enables SAA and Russia to maintain the supply to Aleppo. But still, probably SAA should turn their focus on strengthening the protection of this road. Capture some more lands east and west to enlarge the corridor, for example.

JohninMK wrote:

short_fuze wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:New pics of SyAF Su-22M4. Seems someone got some spares.

Rusty old bombs as well.

I do hope the takfiris have kept their tetanus jabs up to date. It would be awful if they caught tetanus from dirty old rusty bomb fragments.  

Anyone identify the bombs?

ODAB 500PM.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

short_fuze wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:New pics of SyAF Su-22M4. Seems someone got some spares.

Rusty old bombs as well.

I do hope the takfiris have kept their tetanus jabs up to date. It would be awful if they caught tetanus from dirty old rusty bomb fragments.  

Anyone identify the bombs?

ODAB 500PM.

Thanks, a lot of potential destruction under that plane. Probably now actual.