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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:31 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
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    Vladimir79 wrote:Kaliningrad... nothing trumps safety.
    Umm, safety? Care to elaborate? Oops already seen Your message page ago
    I am quite frequent guest there, not a fan of escorts or drugs/alcohol so I knew none of these things.
    Kaliningrad for me doesn't leave any outstanding impression.

    The question was where would you live in Russia.  Simple answer is there is no great place to live in Russia.  I have had my flat cleaned out twice, my car stolen twice, my pockets picked and three insurance scams filed against me between 7 years in Perm and Moscow.  Kaliningrad might be boring, but it is predictable and when you know the routine you are safe.  I had to move my mother out of Beslan, for obvious reasons, over a decade ago and she resides in Kaliningrad for the last four years.  It is the only place in the country her little pension is actually enough I don't have to send her money anymore and worry about her getting robbed.  Much less getting gunned down by separatists.    

    Yeah, Northern Caucasus is a mess. Is there any hope that it will become a civilized place? I guess not as long as Chechens and other radical Muslims live there.

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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:33 pm

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    Floods generally don't happen in this berg or I would have complained about them, too. We're overrun with 'outsiders' but very few foreigners. Since my idea of fun does not include standing in the corner of a fabric shop picking my nose while my wife spends a few rubles for her embroidery goodies I stand outside at the street, pick my nose and count cars. You can tell where a car is from by the license tag. Sevastopol has a suffix of 777 and 92, Krim is 82. I don't count commercial vehicles. Cars average out to 45% not local or Krim. Our favorite phrase is 'go home!'. Our streets were not designed for this amount of traffic and it's getting almost impossible to move in City Center during the day. Toss in to that the fact that a lot of the outsiders, and in reality a lot of the locals, seem to have no concept of pulling over to not block traffic as the driver contemplates his navel while his wife gives birth in the back seat and you can understand our frustration from time to time and the phrase 'go home!'.

    Beats the heck out of having the orcs running around down here, though.

    Damn i think you are desperate for a new hobby.

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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:39 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
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    Vladimir79 wrote:Kaliningrad... nothing trumps safety.
    Umm, safety? Care to elaborate? Oops already seen Your message page ago
    I am quite frequent guest there, not a fan of escorts or drugs/alcohol so I knew none of these things.
    Kaliningrad for me doesn't leave any outstanding impression.

    The question was where would you live in Russia.  Simple answer is there is no great place to live in Russia.  I have had my flat cleaned out twice, my car stolen twice, my pockets picked and three insurance scams filed against me between 7 years in Perm and Moscow.  Kaliningrad might be boring, but it is predictable and when you know the routine you are safe.  I had to move my mother out of Beslan, for obvious reasons, over a decade ago and she resides in Kaliningrad for the last four years.  It is the only place in the country her little pension is actually enough I don't have to send her money anymore and worry about her getting robbed.  Much less getting gunned down by separatists.    
    Really sounds like you got real bad luck.  And I am sorry to hear about that.  But it chalks up to different experience for people.  There are a couple of people I know who lived in Russia for business for a decade that insists that they lived very well in Moscow even if I said that it is too expensive and riddled with problems.  Others in St Pete or in Nizny Novgorod said same stuff but opposite of Moscow.  Different experience.  But yeah, sounds like real bad luck and that sucks.  Worst I had was robbed at knife point in vancouver, pickpocked at least once and a second attempt, and car broken into for change in my cig tray.  Never flat broken into though or car outright stolen.  Then again,  dont live in Winnipeg anymore (this jokes for Canadians if they get it).

    And problems still in North Ossetia?

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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:13 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Really sounds like you got real bad luck.  And I am sorry to hear about that.  But it chalks up to different experience for people.  There are a couple of people I know who lived in Russia for business for a decade that insists that they lived very well in Moscow even if I said that it is too expensive and riddled with problems.  Others in St Pete or in Nizny Novgorod said same stuff but opposite of Moscow.  Different experience.  But yeah, sounds like real bad luck and that sucks.  Worst I had was robbed at knife point in vancouver, pickpocked at least once and a second attempt, and car broken into for change in my cig tray.  Never flat broken into though or car outright stolen.  Then again,  dont live in Winnipeg anymore (this jokes for Canadians if they get it).

    And problems still in North Ossetia?

    The people you know don't have to live there. They can go home at any time. If you want to have anything nice you have to live and work in places with high security or pay a bunch of insurance so when it gets stolen you can quickly replace it. It is not bad luck, it is facts of life of modern Russia. Under the Soviet we never had this crime. We also couldn't own anything nice either... made be that had something to do with it. Idea


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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:11 pm

    Maybe.  But I think it is bad luck cause this was a span of 10 - 15 years so problems would have appeared.  Then there are commentors who state they been living there for 25 years (abliet not in a city).  Till your mention, I never heard of these problems but then again, I face some of the same here, amd others faced worst here so I still think it is bad luck.  Like I said about myself "If I didnt have vad luck, I wouldnt have any luck at all."

    Get good insurance I suppose if you can afford it. Or better security.

    There is a woman on my block, from Romania. Her mom did renovations on homes in Moscow. From rich areas were homes were $7Mil a pop to poorer areas.  She said that she had fun living there and doing it (for 20 years).  But then again, never spoke about crime.

    You think everyone experiences the same thing? Of course not.

    Winnipeg is considered the car jacking capital of north america, or even the world.  Yet my car was never stolen (then again, who would steal a ford aerostar van?).  In Calgary, it is very safe yet one night when I was home alone, someone tried to enter my house.  I got up, turned the lights on and I could hear footsteps running away.  My coworker here faced an issue that he woke up one morning, saw his backdoor forced open and stuff missing.  My ex brother in law? Robbed of his money for his and my sisters honeymoon by machete point by some vietnamese guy.  Maybe it was our member Hig here. Who know  Razz

    We all experience different things.  I highly bet you this isnt average for everyone.  Hell, my sister went to Compton amd never got shot.  That even surprised me.

    But aside from all this, please tell me, North Ossetia still has those muslim fundamentalist problems?  Since Beslan, I havent heard a thing.

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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:49 pm

    Your friend's mom worked in rich neighbourhoods that have private security on top of cops that actually patrol high value realestate.  They don't do much for working class neighbourhoods, there is no financial insentive for them to do so.  There is no political insentive for them to do so.  That is the problem with security forces, they are not motivated to protect society but what they can get from it.  I don't know other than what you say how bad crime is Canada, but at least your police work for you.  They at least try to protect you without expecting a bribe from the guy on the street to the district commander.  And your politicians will get replaced if they fail to keep it at least acceptable levels.  We do not have anything to threaten security with replacement when they do not do their jobs.


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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:16 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:Your friend's mom worked in rich neighbourhoods that have private security on top of cops that actually patrol high value realestate.  They don't do much for working class neighbourhoods, there is no financial insentive for them to do so.  There is no political insentive for them to do so.  That is the problem with security forces, they are not motivated to protect society but what they can get from it.  I don't know other than what you say how bad crime is Canada, but at least your police work for you.  They at least try to protect you without expecting a bribe from the guy on the street to the district commander.  And your politicians will get replaced if they fail to keep it at least acceptable levels.  We do not have anything to threaten security with replacement when they do not do their jobs.
    I dunno what she did entirely, other than renovations.  But all these cases are different.  And yeah, dishonest and honest people exist.  I heard stories from bribing cops to not bribing any in Russia.  Here, we dont have that problem on the personal level.  But I actually recommend you to watch a docu called the 7 five or maybe the 5 seven.  Its on netflix but its about the criminal police in New York in the 80's.  Funny thing is, this was not sefregated to just new york.  My buddy Mike is from Ontario and his dad was a chief of souther toronto district police and he was forced to leave because he got death threats from other cops because he was against the mafia.

    You guys can vote but you have little options it seems as alternatives. Either fifth columnists or some wackjob socialist.  The nationalist guy from LDPR (or whatever that party is called) doesnt seem bad though. Our options are limited too.  NDP, Progressivd Concervatives or Liberal.  All suck.

    My experience with cops been a hit and miss.  Never had to give bribes but had to fight multiple of tickets due to a cop stopping me just to fill his quota.  But I was lucky to have a cop also protect me from people who tried to blame me for an accident and he saw the whole thing.

    In some parts, white cops do not venture into predominantly other ethnic territory due to issues with the public and the whole "politicial correctness" BS.  And now this is turning into no go zones on certain areas (compton LA is one of those).

    Corruption is really high here in regards to business owners and politicians.  Cops just seem to get away with a lot of stuff.  So bribes arent needed (as well, they are paid very well so they dont need it. Add to that, they are starting to put cameras on cops.  Something that they should do in Russia).

    You guys have way too many cops that get paid shit.  So I imagine that is where a huge portion of your problems are.  Fix that and things will change. We had to do that too back in the 90's.  Cops were very crooked until theyvwere paid better more or less.

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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  BaltRex on Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:54 pm

    Been traveling to Russia to my relatives couple last years. Definetely St. Petersburg would be one option, as an average person, I would love to have apartment in Prosvesheniya prospect. Besides that, does Crimea count? Laughing I always liked coastline cities. Sevastopol would be kinda good option too.

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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:14 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Your friend's mom worked in rich neighbourhoods that have private security on top of cops that actually patrol high value realestate.  They don't do much for working class neighbourhoods, there is no financial insentive for them to do so.  There is no political insentive for them to do so.  That is the problem with security forces, they are not motivated to protect society but what they can get from it.  I don't know other than what you say how bad crime is Canada, but at least your police work for you.  They at least try to protect you without expecting a bribe from the guy on the street to the district commander.  And your politicians will get replaced if they fail to keep it at least acceptable levels.  We do not have anything to threaten security with replacement when they do not do their jobs.


    Police in Canada is often rather rotten and corrupt; there are suspicions that some of them secretly co-operate with organized crime groups.

    The thing about Canada is that it is a wealthier country than Russia, with a higher standard of living, so there is not as much "pressure" for the police to be totally corrupt.

    So overall they are not as corrupt as in Russia, but that is largely thanks to a higher standard of living Canada enjoys, so they do not have as much of a need to be corrupt.

    If the standard of living in Canada deteriorates significantly, I would not be surprised if the Canadian policemen would become murderers for hire.


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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:07 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:Your friend's mom worked in rich neighbourhoods that have private security on top of cops that actually patrol high value realestate.  They don't do much for working class neighbourhoods, there is no financial insentive for them to do so.  There is no political insentive for them to do so.  That is the problem with security forces, they are not motivated to protect society but what they can get from it.  I don't know other than what you say how bad crime is Canada, but at least your police work for you.  They at least try to protect you without expecting a bribe from the guy on the street to the district commander.  And your politicians will get replaced if they fail to keep it at least acceptable levels.  We do not have anything to threaten security with replacement when they do not do their jobs.


    Police in Canada is often rather rotten and corrupt; there are suspicions that some of them secretly co-operate with organized crime groups.

    The thing about Canada is that it is a wealthier country than Russia, with a higher standard of living, so there is not as much "pressure" for the police to be totally corrupt.

    So overall they are not as corrupt as in Russia, but that is largely thanks to a higher standard of living Canada enjoys, so they do not have as much of a need to be corrupt.

    If the standard of living in Canada deteriorates significantly, I would not be surprised if the Canadian policemen would become murderers for hire.


    You are far from the truth here.  And I know of many cases of police corruption that still go on today.  It has nothing to do with "higher standards of living" which only exist for police here.  While average person gets paid worst and worst as the years go on.  Police here unfortunately make way too much money and it is for the sole purpose of trying to keep them "honest".  Many of them just do not care about you or I.  There have been cases here in Alberta of cops driving drunk while on the opposite lane.  Get into accident, kill someone, and get a suspension with pay at worst.

    You wanna know what it is? People are better at hiding their corruption here. And cops get paid enough so they don't take petty bribes. But when it comes to bigger things, oh hell they are bad. Then again, Russia has the worlds largest # of cops per 1000 people and they are not paid the best (sometimes where they have to get second jobs). Pay Russian cops more, and they will be good (or less corrupt in taking petty bribes).

    The best place in Russia to live in? It was apparently Belgorod that is considered the best in Russia to live in. But I rather not live close to that shithole that is Ukraine.

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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:23 am

    Saint Petersburg in May-June (white nights Smile )
    Sochi in summer vacation July and August
    Krasnodar to live and work if you want to combine good weather and opportunities for work
    Kazan also would be an interesting option, lot of construction has been done there the recent years because of big sporting events that took part


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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:55 pm

    Ohh all you poor guys bitching about police that does not care about the citizen they swore to protect, while it is German cops that are often refered as the best cops are told from highest positions of this vassal statehood not to sue, or prosecute rapeugees for crimes against citizens. You will never find such a behavior in neither of the countries you are bitching about. Where victims are blamed and mocked for being "provocative", being to "onesided". That really sounds like some butthurt from you Vlad you probably have never seen other conditions.

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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  kvs on Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:25 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
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    Vladimir79 wrote:Your friend's mom worked in rich neighbourhoods that have private security on top of cops that actually patrol high value realestate.  They don't do much for working class neighbourhoods, there is no financial insentive for them to do so.  There is no political insentive for them to do so.  That is the problem with security forces, they are not motivated to protect society but what they can get from it.  I don't know other than what you say how bad crime is Canada, but at least your police work for you.  They at least try to protect you without expecting a bribe from the guy on the street to the district commander.  And your politicians will get replaced if they fail to keep it at least acceptable levels.  We do not have anything to threaten security with replacement when they do not do their jobs.


    Police in Canada is often rather rotten and corrupt; there are suspicions that some of them secretly co-operate with organized crime groups.

    The thing about Canada is that it is a wealthier country than Russia, with a higher standard of living, so there is not as much "pressure" for the police to be totally corrupt.

    So overall they are not as corrupt as in Russia, but that is largely thanks to a higher standard of living Canada enjoys, so they do not have as much of a need to be corrupt.

    If the standard of living in Canada deteriorates significantly, I would not be surprised if the Canadian policemen would become murderers for hire.


    You are far from the truth here.  And I know of many cases of police corruption that still go on today.  It has nothing to do with "higher standards of living" which only exist for police here.  While average person gets paid worst and worst as the years go on.  Police here unfortunately make way too much money and it is for the sole purpose of trying to keep them "honest".  Many of them just do not care about you or I.  There have been cases here in Alberta of cops driving drunk while on the opposite lane.  Get into accident, kill someone, and get a suspension with pay at worst.

    You wanna know what it is? People are better at hiding their corruption here.  And cops get paid enough so they don't take petty bribes.  But when it comes to bigger things, oh hell they are bad.  Then again, Russia has the worlds largest # of cops per 1000 people and they are not paid the best (sometimes where they have to get second jobs).  Pay Russian cops more, and they will be good (or less corrupt in taking petty bribes).

    The best place in Russia to live in?  It was apparently Belgorod that is considered the best in Russia to live in.  But I rather not live close to that shithole that is Ukraine.

    I never really bought this "pay them more to stop them from being criminals" theory. It sort of works if the wages are a total joke and the cop or
    bureaucrat has to steal to eat, but if they are paid an average wage and do not starve and can afford decent housing and a car, then they should
    be doing their job and not digging for gold. If they are not happy with reasonable wages, they should find another job. Appeasing them with
    more money is a type of corruption. You are bribing them to stop being criminals. Cops and bureaucrats should not have this sort of mentality
    in the first place and any that do should be fired.

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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:34 pm

    Agreed but the people who should be watching them a lot of times, are either in it as well or are sympathetic one way or another.

    Outside of that, greed is a real problem amongst the authorities nearly everywhere.  I mean, ffs, we have cops and lawyers, judges and all part of hells angels gang for example.  Authorities will never touch them.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:02 am

    Tula... and to work in a small arms factory in the testing department testing new weapons and working with (between) users and designers to improve the designs and make them better (more effective, cheaper to make, simpler, easier to use/repair/maintain).


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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:55 am

    At the very center of Russia, in the Taiga, on the Yenissei river...
    Hunting & fishing for the rest of my life...

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    Post  jhelb on Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:09 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:Under the Soviet we never had this crime.  We also couldn't own anything nice either... made be that had something to do with it.  Idea  

    So why isn't Putin stopping all these crime? I heard certain rumors that his ministers benefit from it.

    Re your observation about Canada, I think Anglo Saxons in general & Canadians in particular are thoroughly corrupt. They can give Jews a run for their money.Just that they believe in carrying out bigger crimes like Libor rate scams to affect millions of people outside the Anglosphere.

    Moreover they are busy running ponzi schemes on the Net that starts with credit card fraud and ends with paedophilia. I was cheated twice by Canadians and robbed in broad daylight in Nashville,USA.The Americans are masters in copying others ideas and passing them off as their own.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:14 pm

    GarryB wrote:Tula... and to work in a small arms factory in the testing department testing new weapons and working with (between) users and designers to improve the designs and make them better (more effective, cheaper to make, simpler, easier to use/repair/maintain).

    I'm guessing you would of loved working under Shipunov when he was still alive?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:42 pm

    Major Trade Show For Foreigners Interested in Living in Russia, Moscow, Feb 5-7

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:11 am

    I'm guessing you would of loved working under Shipunov when he was still alive?

    So much to learn... it would have been an honour and a privilege.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:27 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I'm guessing you would of loved working under Shipunov when he was still alive?

    So much to learn... it would have been an honour and a privilege.

    Out of curiosity, I've heard you briefly mention a few times about your workings in academia, are you a physicist or a mathematician by training?

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:16 am

    Would rather not say... Smile

    I have had a range of jobs... started cleaning toilets, and I have had some teaching jobs, my main qualifications are in IT.


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    Post  RTN on Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:26 pm

    GarryB wrote:Would rather not say... Smile

    I have had a range of jobs... started cleaning toilets, and I have had some teaching jobs, my main qualifications are in IT.

    GarryB, is it true that it is very difficult to find a decent job in New Zealand even if you have the qualifications and the vast majority of people have to migrate to Australia, UK and US for work? I heard this from a couple of Software Programmers from New Zealand settled in Seattle.

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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:53 am

    Werewolf wrote:Ohh all you poor guys bitching about police that does not care about the citizen they swore to protect, while it is German cops that are often refered as the best cops are told from highest positions of this vassal statehood not to sue, or prosecute rapeugees for crimes against citizens. You will never find such a behavior in neither of the countries you are bitching about. Where victims are blamed and mocked for being "provocative", being to "onesided". That really sounds like some butthurt from you Vlad you probably have never seen other conditions.

    Your problem is political and can easily be solved when Merkel is kicked out of office. Our problem is deep in society not so easily unrooted and it goes day after day, decade after decade.


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    Re: Where in Russia would you like to live?

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:03 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Ohh all you poor guys bitching about police that does not care about the citizen they swore to protect, while it is German cops that are often refered as the best cops are told from highest positions of this vassal statehood not to sue, or prosecute rapeugees for crimes against citizens. You will never find such a behavior in neither of the countries you are bitching about. Where victims are blamed and mocked for being "provocative", being to "onesided". That really sounds like some butthurt from you Vlad you probably have never seen other conditions.

    Your problem is political and can easily be solved when Merkel is kicked out of office.  Our problem is deep in society not so easily unrooted and it goes day after day, decade after decade.  

    Your country is only technically 23 years old or so after the Soviet Union.  The idea from your citizens that they are falling under entitlement is something that has to be rooted out over a couple of decades.  The sad thing is, this entitlement mentality is now rooting itself up everywhere else for some reason (keeping people on a welfare state I guess is easier to control them).

    The issues you guys face are not gonna go away for a very long time and that is just what we have seen in history among everyone else.  Guess Putin was right about the Soviet Union?

    As for what Werewolf is saying - That isn't actually just Germany. This is also nearly all of western Europe. And it is ingraned in the society to be all a bunch of sally's regarding it.


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