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    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:04 pm

    medo wrote:

    Hungary is a NATO member, so it is politicaly impossible to sell those MiGs to Russia, not to say Iran. Only option would be, if they sell them to Serbia or maybe to Macedonia, Montenegro or to Poland for spare parts.

    Yes they can sell it to Russia. And if not they still need russian agreement for selling them. Orban is a friend of russia he wouldn't care much about USA pressure.

    Russia can then sell them to Iran. Both are under sanctions so they don't really care about western opinion. Moreover defensive weapons are not forbiden and mig-29A is more an interceptor than a multirole fighter like sukhois.
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    Post  medo on Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:49 pm

    Isos wrote:
    medo wrote:

    Hungary is a NATO member, so it is politicaly impossible to sell those MiGs to Russia, not to say Iran. Only option would be, if they sell them to Serbia or maybe to Macedonia, Montenegro or to Poland for spare parts.

    Yes they can sell it to Russia. And if not they still need russian agreement for selling them. Orban is a friend of russia he wouldn't care much about USA pressure.

    Russia can then sell them to Iran. Both are under sanctions so they don't really care about western opinion. Moreover defensive weapons are not forbiden and mig-29A is more an interceptor than a multirole fighter like sukhois.

    In theory yes, but in praksis they need apruval from both, Russia as MiGs are russian made planes and from NATO, because Hungary is a NATO member. Orban is friend of Russia, but Russia is under western sanctions and if Hungary sell those planes to Russia, US and EU will impose sanctions on Hungary, which is already not in realy good relations with EU. This is why those planes are still in Hungary.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:17 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    marat wrote:
    Isos wrote:Hungary offered some years ago 19 mig-29A/UB with 20 engines and shitload of spare parts and missiles for only 10 millions $. Russia should have bought it for Syria with a little upgrade. Payment could have been forgoten but giving russian companies the rights to rebuild Syria.

    Iran could be also interested since they also operate mig-29. 19 for 10 million $ and russia could have sold its own SMT for 30 million each (and use the money for another batch of 50 su-35), that would be 70 mig-29 quickly bought and used as they already have the pilots. Then introduce the mig-35 to replace US made f-5.

    How Syria would pay rebuilding?
    Iran is under UN sanctions for whos introduction Russian voted.

    Iran arm embargo ends on 18 october 2020. Before that date any arm supply must be approved separately and in advance by the UN security council.

    https://www.sipri.org/databases/embargoes/un_arms_embargoes/iran


    Furthermore, all states are allowed to participate in the supply of major conventional arms as defined by the UN Register of Conventional Weapons and related components and services to Iran provided that the Security Council decides in advance on a case-by-case basis to approve such supplies. This provision will be lifted five years after the JCPOA Adoption Day, i.e. on 18 october 2020. The embargo on the export from Iran of all arms and related materials will remain in place until 5 years after the JCPOA Adoption Day. Different from other UN embargoes where arms can be supplied to governments if advance approval has been received from the relevant Sanction Committee, for the sanctions on Iran it is the Security Council that has to give approval.
    Since for sure US and Britain will vote against any supply from Russia to Iran before the end of the embargo, Russia and Iran could discuss informally and without any public announcement the supply beforehand, and sign the contracts and start the deliveries at the same time on the 18 October 2020.

    Iran can output 1.5 -2 million barrels of oil easily. It's pumping 500k "reported"... probably more but not significantly more. They can pay with oil alone.

    The problem is the sanctions - which Russia knowingly signed on to - Putin's political games with the Saudi's, Bibi and the Anglo's (concessions for short) + some sound strategic considerations.

    The Iranians badly need fighter aircraft, heli's and, at the very least, parts and refurbishment for its 3 kilos. More point air defense as well.
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:30 pm

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