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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:34 pm

    New aircraft are going to be fully operational nodes on the network, so any aircraft, whether it is a MiG-35 or Su-35 or Su-30 can use its radar to detect targets flying high or low and share that information with the network.

    Low flying subsonic cruise missiles can easily be engaged with air to air missiles, but enemy aircraft would be a higher priority... especially before they launch their weapons.

    Cruise missiles would be fairly easy to detect with IRSTs tracking their heat trail, and of course AESA radars can look down fairly easily... any model MiG-29/35 or Su-30/35/34 can easily outrun a low flying cruise missile... even if they had to climb to medium altitude to accelerate and catch up...

    Who engages what would largely be decided by the IADS... that is what it is for, but a flight of MiG-35s could certainly fire off AAMs at any enemy air threats and then turn and chase down some low flying cruise missiles and engage them with cannon depending on the situation.

    Of course Russian ships on the Black Sea could also offer missile and gun support, but when it comes to engaging stealth aircraft the Su-35 and Su-57 have the advantage of wing mounted L band AESA radars to detect stealthy objects, which the MiGs lack AFAIK.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:13 pm


    Give-or-take the Spanish frigates the rest of NATO navies combined would have a hard time over-saturating the AD in Crimea.

    Actually, no european country can saturate any air defence system. Spanish have no tomahawks and maybe they don't even have the softwares to use it.

    Only french and british ships have ship launched LACM but in very limited numbers and very limited VLS numbers.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:17 pm

    Well, the first batch of Su-35 of the year has arrived, a lot has gone through Tolamchevo to the west, according to what I read there could be three

    By No. 18 it seems that they will also go to Khotilovo as the last batch of last year


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    Post  AMCXXL on Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:57 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:Well, the first batch of Su-35 of the year has arrived, a lot has gone through Tolamchevo to the west, according to what I read there could be three
    By No. 18 it seems that they will also go to Khotilovo as the last batch of last year


    The batch of Su-35 was transferred in JUNE

    It seems that there is no interest in publicizing the rearmament of the air force at the moment, taking into account that until the end of 2020 the air force will raise new divisions and regiments to reach the planned structure

    In fact, this year has not been announced how many combat aircraft (Su-35, Su-30SM, Su-34) will receive the MoD


    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201906071816-mil-ru-p3blf.html
    Aviation regiment ZVO in the Tver region will receive a batch of Su-35S fighters
    18:16 07.06.2019
    The aircraft will be delivered from the factory in Komsomolsk-on-Amur according to the plan of the state defense order. For the preparation and technical acceptance of aircraft, the technical composition of the aviation regiment will arrive at the enterprise.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:31 am

    Su-35 Nº19 and Nº21 also saw in Tolmachevo

    This confirm the delivery of a batch of three Su-35 thumbsup

    Total delivered until now; 81 out of 98

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    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:08 am

    What is the difference btw red and blue numbers ?
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:21 am

    I seem to remember during the cold war the blue were naval aircraft and the red numbers were Frontal Aviation and other Air Force types.

    But sometimes they have different colours because of the camouflage colours of the aircraft... have seen yellow numbers on transports too.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:06 am

    PVO had also blue numbers.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:20 pm

    Isos wrote:What is the difference btw red and blue numbers ?

    There is no difference, the colonel of each regiment can order what numbers and colors are painted on each plane

    There are some traditions, such as not using numbers of pilots killed during the service

    It can usually be a practical question.

    Two nearby regiments carry different colors, such as Perm (blue) and Kansk (red) with MiG-31 in the Central MD, or Dzemgi (red) and Ts.Uglovaya (Blue) with Su-35 in the East MD

    At other times, they simply carry different numbers: Khotilovo with Su-27/35 carries red numbers starting with 01 to 28, and Besovets currently uses numbers larger than 40 in most cases, although in some cases it matches

    GarryB wrote:I seem to remember during the cold war the blue were naval aircraft and the red numbers were Frontal Aviation and other Air Force types.

    But sometimes they have different colours because of the camouflage colours of the aircraft... have seen yellow numbers on transports too.

    No,  remenber the Yak-38 in yellow, at least in North Flleet.
    Some Be-12 also in yello, Tu-142 in black or red. and Su-24 in White
    Also the Su-33 in red starting about 1992


    Hole wrote:PVO had also blue numbers.

    Yes, blue and yellow, as the Omsk MiG-31 regiment, and also white numbers MiG-23
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:52 pm

    There still has to be a lot of life left in those MiG-29's and Su-27's that shouldn't warrant decomission or scrapping. Just look at what the Ru Army is planning these days - They canceled plans to scrap T-80's and T-72's and even planning to upgrade T-62's to modern levels for use for national guard for crying out loud. Why not give National Guard their own airforce and upgrade these MiG's and Sukhois? They could very well be useful for further defense of the nations massive (and I mean massive) airspace. It is heavily needed.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:01 pm

    Money is always the issue.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:24 pm

    Isos wrote:Money is always the issue.

    No it isn't.

    Please explain how and how much money?  And I can show you economic data with budget revenue growth.

    The simple fact is, these jets already exist.  Upgrade options (SVP-24, modernized radar and engines with airframe maintenance) is rather cheap.  Much cheaper than a new jet.

    The defense budget is rather small compared to overall economy and growth existed because of defense procurement for domestic industry.

    Anyway, they are stifling their own defenses by removing these jets from service. Su-27 with upgrades is still sufficient for air defense and a good competitor to F-15's.

    national guard average budget (minus the procurement) is rather huge.

    They can afford it. They just choose not to.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:40 pm

    Cheaper to make but more expensive to operate. Su-30/35/57 are newer and even if they share the same bases/producer that's operating 3 different sukhois and 4 with the su-34. So if you add older su-27 that will be 5 sukhoi.

    If you want to upgrade the engines (so the avionics too), the radar (so all the computers too) better go with new engines because the only thing left to build is the airframe. On the long term it is cheaper to buy new jets.

    Tanks are different thing. Much easier to maintain than a jet and more easily maintained in good conditions since they are metal boxes.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:50 pm

    Isos wrote:Cheaper to make but more expensive to operate. Su-30/35/57 are newer and even if they share the same bases/producer that's operating 3 different sukhois and 4 with the su-34.  So if you add older su-27 that will be 5 sukhoi.

    If you want to upgrade the engines (so the avionics too), the radar (so all the computers too) better go with new engines because the only thing left to build is the airframe. On the long term it is cheaper to buy new jets.

    Tanks are different thing. Much easier to maintain than a jet and more easily maintained in good conditions since they are metal boxes.

    While that is true, they could at least cannibalize and keep them afloat. I know operational and maintenance costs may be higher, but how much? dunno.

    Or best other option is sell them off and use the excess money to purchase more Su-30's and 35's. Now I wonder how much they could sell those Sukhois? maybe offer upgrade packages with them?
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:14 am

    Sorry I missed something.  did they say that they will scrap those su 27s and mig 29?

    I can imagine a certain large middle Eastern nation that needs to replace their f14 and would probably be glad to buy refurbished sukhoi and migs, especially if coming with relatively modern radars, weapon systems and avionics.
    They could even pay in oil.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:04 am

    Yes, I totally agree that a trade for oil or LNG with Iran would make enormous sense for both countries... in fact a bit of extra gas or oil and pay for Russian companies to give them a decent upgrade too to make them easier to maintain and operate...
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:27 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Sorry I missed something.  did they say that they will scrap those su 27s and mig 29?

    I can imagine a certain large middle Eastern nation that needs to replace their f14 and would probably be glad to buy refurbished sukhoi and migs, especially if coming with relatively modern radars, weapon systems and avionics.
    They could even pay in oil.

    Syria should be getting a large number of hand me down MiG-29. Iran only wants new build Su-30 / 35.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:35 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:Cheaper to make but more expensive to operate. Su-30/35/57 are newer and even if they share the same bases/producer that's operating 3 different sukhois and 4 with the su-34.  So if you add older su-27 that will be 5 sukhoi.

    If you want to upgrade the engines (so the avionics too), the radar (so all the computers too) better go with new engines because the only thing left to build is the airframe. On the long term it is cheaper to buy new jets.

    Tanks are different thing. Much easier to maintain than a jet and more easily maintained in good conditions since they are metal boxes.

    While that is true, they could at least cannibalize and keep them afloat.  I know operational and maintenance costs may be higher, but how much? dunno.

    Or best other option is sell them off and use the excess money to purchase more Su-30's and 35's.  Now I wonder how much they could sell those Sukhois? maybe offer upgrade packages with them?

    Depends on the numbers of jets, there is no reason to operate 27's.

    Money is always an issue. Russia doesn't have unlimited cash to throw around. why hold up funds for something pointless verse buying new jets with that money.

    Russia also has been trying to build up civilian infrastructure and invest, that's not cheap to do so they are putting whatever additional cash they get into it. So you can post economic growth data which could be debated, that stuff is never cut and dry but it doesn't mean much in the end.

    You don't improve living standards by spending more and more cash on the military.
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    Post  nero on Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:53 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:They can afford it.  They just choose not to.
    Upgrades aren't as expensive, though there's little reason to do them, especially when the idea behind the Su-30/34/35/50 is to replace the older generation of planes.

    Additionally, just keeping the planes makes no sense if there's no one to use them. Learning how to fly a Sukhoi isn't easy nor cheap.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:37 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Sorry I missed something.  did they say that they will scrap those su 27s and mig 29?

    I can imagine a certain large middle Eastern nation that needs to replace their f14 and would probably be glad to buy refurbished sukhoi and migs, especially if coming with relatively modern radars, weapon systems and avionics.
    They could even pay in oil.

    Syria should be getting a large number of hand me down MiG-29. Iran only wants new build Su-30 / 35.

    Syria cannot pay at the moment. Helping a bit is ok, but Russia is not the soviet union, that gave military equipment for free to poor countries for ideological reasons.

    as far as Iran, it depends, they did not acquire modern medium/large fighters for ages. Furthermore even India requested Russia for a set of mig-29 upgraded to the UPG standard (Indian equivalent to mig-29SMT, that are still very capable.

    Su-27SM2/SM3 have capabilities not very far from the latest Su-35, anyway, and since Iran needs basically to rebuild its air force, it would be convenient for them to try and save some money. If I were in them, I would buy upgraded mig-29 and organise joint production of mig-35.

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    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:41 am

    Hungary offered some years ago 19 mig-29A/UB with 20 engines and shitload of spare parts and missiles for only 10 millions $. Russia should have bought it for Syria with a little upgrade. Payment could have been forgoten but giving russian companies the rights to rebuild Syria.

    Iran could be also interested since they also operate mig-29. 19 for 10 million $ and russia could have sold its own SMT for 30 million each (and use the money for another batch of 50 su-35), that would be 70 mig-29 quickly bought and used as they already have the pilots. Then introduce the mig-35 to replace US made f-5.
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    Post  marat on Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:14 am

    Isos wrote:Hungary offered some years ago 19 mig-29A/UB with 20 engines and shitload of spare parts and missiles for only 10 millions $. Russia should have bought it for Syria with a little upgrade. Payment could have been forgoten but giving russian companies the rights to rebuild Syria.

    Iran could be also interested since they also operate mig-29. 19 for 10 million $ and russia could have sold its own SMT for 30 million each (and use the money for another batch of 50 su-35), that would be 70 mig-29 quickly bought and used as they already have the pilots. Then introduce the mig-35 to replace US made f-5.

    How Syria would pay rebuilding?
    Iran is under UN sanctions for whos introduction Russian voted.
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    Post  medo on Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:50 am

    Isos wrote:Hungary offered some years ago 19 mig-29A/UB with 20 engines and shitload of spare parts and missiles for only 10 millions $. Russia should have bought it for Syria with a little upgrade. Payment could have been forgoten but giving russian companies the rights to rebuild Syria.

    Iran could be also interested since they also operate mig-29. 19 for 10 million $ and russia could have sold its own SMT for 30 million each (and use the money for another batch of 50 su-35), that would be 70 mig-29 quickly bought and used as they already have the pilots. Then introduce the mig-35 to replace US made f-5.

    Hungary is a NATO member, so it is politicaly impossible to sell those MiGs to Russia, not to say Iran. Only option would be, if they sell them to Serbia or maybe to Macedonia, Montenegro or to Poland for spare parts.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:52 pm

    marat wrote:
    Isos wrote:Hungary offered some years ago 19 mig-29A/UB with 20 engines and shitload of spare parts and missiles for only 10 millions $. Russia should have bought it for Syria with a little upgrade. Payment could have been forgoten but giving russian companies the rights to rebuild Syria.

    Iran could be also interested since they also operate mig-29. 19 for 10 million $ and russia could have sold its own SMT for 30 million each (and use the money for another batch of 50 su-35), that would be 70 mig-29 quickly bought and used as they already have the pilots. Then introduce the mig-35 to replace US made f-5.

    How Syria would pay rebuilding?
    Iran is under UN sanctions for whos introduction Russian voted.

    Iran arm embargo ends on 18 october 2020. Before that date any arm supply must be approved separately and in advance by the UN security council.

    https://www.sipri.org/databases/embargoes/un_arms_embargoes/iran


    Furthermore, all states are allowed to participate in the supply of major conventional arms as defined by the UN Register of Conventional Weapons and related components and services to Iran provided that the Security Council decides in advance on a case-by-case basis to approve such supplies. This provision will be lifted five years after the JCPOA Adoption Day, i.e. on 18 october 2020. The embargo on the export from Iran of all arms and related materials will remain in place until 5 years after the JCPOA Adoption Day. Different from other UN embargoes where arms can be supplied to governments if advance approval has been received from the relevant Sanction Committee, for the sanctions on Iran it is the Security Council that has to give approval.
    Since for sure US and Britain will vote against any supply from Russia to Iran before the end of the embargo, Russia and Iran could discuss informally and without any public announcement the supply beforehand, and sign the contracts and start the deliveries at the same time on the 18 October 2020.

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