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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:55 am

    According to members on sdelanounas comments section, is that they are still finishing up on tests and what not for Su-35S. Although, I dunno about that and I think that once the contract is concluded, there will be another to keep the company busy. That is speculation based upon various figures saying that a further 48 are going to be ordered. But the Su-30SM must really be popular since they plan to order 75 more. Which would make Su-30SM in airforce numbers over 120 aircraft and a couple dozen for navy. Imagine they may order even more, especially if there is an upgrade package to modernize the avionics of the Su-30SM to something more advance and capable (AESA radar, etc).
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    Post  medo on Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:27 pm

    sepheronx wrote:According to members on sdelanounas comments section, is that they are still finishing up on tests and what not for Su-35S.  Although, I dunno about that and I think that once the contract is concluded, there will be another to keep the company busy.  That is speculation based upon various figures saying that a further 48 are going to be ordered.  But the Su-30SM must really be popular since they plan to order 75 more.  Which would make Su-30SM in airforce numbers over 120 aircraft and a couple dozen for navy.  Imagine they may order even more, especially if there is an upgrade package to modernize the avionics of the Su-30SM to something more advance and capable (AESA radar, etc).

    Not surprising. Su-30SM was mostly tested in times of Su-30MKI/MKM development, while Su-35 is newer fighter and well connected with PAK-FA development and many new weapons will be used by both Su-35 and PAK-FA, like long range AAMs. More testings with Su-35 is also a way to shorten tests and developments for PAK-FA. I would say in a year or two Su-35 will become fully operational, it take time to integrate all new stuff and to train pilots in operational units.
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    Post  medo on Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:33 pm





    Operational Su-35 are getting R-77-1 missile adapters. Maybe they are the first to receive those new AAMs.

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    Post  ult on Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:25 am

    According to the Airforce forum today is the first flight of the 40th serial Su-35S, the 6th one produced this year.

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    Post  indochina on Thu Sep 24, 2015 2:52 am

    Su-35S can use R-77-1 missile or R-37M missile
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:48 am

    Yup, though they can only get the missiles the Russians sell them... and long range radar guided AAMs are not ideal for trying to shoot down stealthy aircraft...


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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  nemrod on Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:25 am


    One of my favourite russian fighter bomber, with Mig-35.

    Good News! This what I hoped.
    Sincerly no need of the expensive Pak Fa, Iam sure one thing SU-35, beside Mig-35 are able to down any western aircraft, F-22, F-35, F-15, F-16, F-18, Typhoon EFA, Rafale etc.... Even the SU-30 SM, and Mig-33 are able.
    It is not a bad news, it seems that the Pak Fa will not play the major role.

    http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20150310000075&cid=1101


    Russia and India to work on 5th-gen upgrade to Su-35 fighter

    Russia and India have signed an agreement to jointly develop a fifth-generation upgrade of the Su-35 Super Flanker multirole fighter, according to a report published March 8 on Virginia-based military affairs website Defense News.

    The fighter will be a fifth-generation fighter like the US Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II, as opposed to the fourth-generation version of the Su-35 over which Russia and China are currently negotiating a deal.

    The Su-35 Super Flanker will be unable to compete with other "genuine" fifth-generation fighters and China does not need to get caught up in a game of one-upmanship with India and Russia, said an expert cited by China's nationalistic tabloid Global Times.

    Fifth-Generation Su-35S

    Defense News cited a Russian military insider as stating that Moscow and New Delhi have signed an agreement to design what Russia is calling the fifth-generation version of the Su-35 in India, which will see an Indian variant of the fighter created called the Su-35S. Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Russian state-run tech export corporation Rostec, was cited by the website as saying, "We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35...Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation."

    The shift from the fourth-generation Su-35, currently in service with the Russian Air Force, to the fifth-generation Su-35S will necessitate a large upgrade. The report in Defense News questioned the ability of the Su-35S to bear comparison with the F-35. An Indian Air Force official said Russia has pitched the Su-35S several times over the last six months, stating that it can replace the Indian Air Force's MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters, set to be retired from service in seven to eight years.

    Russia and India have already worked together on the development of a fifth-generation stealth fighter, the PAK FA T-50. The Defense News report suggested that the reason Russia has suddenly announced the development program for the stealth fighter is because they are trying to undercut France following the refusal of Paris to provide Russia with two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships. In 2012, New Delhi decided to buy 126 Dassault Rafale multirole fighters from the French company but they have been unable to reach a final agreement due to the technology transfer involved and the price. A Russian industry source cited in the report said the Su-35S will cost only US$85 million, very competitive when compared with the Rafale, and poses a threat to the deal between France and India. A report in the New Delhi-based Economic Times previously stated that India's air force command considers the Russian fighter and the Rafale to be complementary and that the former does not replace the need for the latter.

    China and the Fourth-Generation Su-35

    There had previously been a lot of buzz in the media about China becoming the first country to take delivery of an Su-35. According to the previous report on the website, China is set to sign a deal on May 19 to buy 24 Su-35 fighters from Russia. A Russian official has stated that the deal involves the fourth-generation Su-35, not the fifth-generation Su-35S. The official added, however, that China will be the first country in the world to buy the plane.

    The Defense News report did not specify the details of the differences between the Su-35 and the Su-35S. However, a Chinese military expert cited by the Global Times stated that the fifth-generation fighter will likely be based on the Su-30MKI that Russia and India developed together and will be equipped with advanced fifth-generation fighter avionics purchased by India, including active electronically scanned array radar, an infrared sensor for longer range targets and a custom tactical data link suited to the needs of the Indian Air Force, along with anti-electrical interference equipment. The source also stated that the fighter likely has limited stealth capabilities, including metal plating on the hood of the cabin and stealth materials coating the air inlets. Stealth capabilities hinge mostly on the exterior design of a fighter, however, he said. The area of the fifth generation F-22 that reflects radar is just 1 square meter and Russian aircraft maker Sukhoi has stated that the area of Su-30 series fighters that reflects radar is around 20 sq m.

    As the Su-35S will not involve a total rehaul of the outer structure of the series, it is not possible for the Su-35S to match the stealth capabilities of the F-22. The move to brand the Su-35S a "fifth-generation" fighter, therefore, seems a little more driven by propaganda than reality, according to Global Times. Given that the Su-30MKI went into production in 2002, six years after India and Russia signed the joint development agreement on the aircraft, the Su-35S will likely take a sustained period of time to develop and undergo tests before it can be commissioned or sold.

    Can the Fourth- to Fifth-Generation Gap be Bridged?

    A Chinese military expert stated that fourth-generation fighters can be upgraded to give them capabilities approaching those of fifth-generation fighters. This is most evident in the area of avionics, if enough investment is made, as with sufficient funds the avionics of the Su-35S could surpass those of the T-50. Through the purchase of fifth-generation directional efflux nozzles with a large thrust to weight ratio, the Su-35S could reach a level of subsonic maneuverability equal to that of the T-50.

    In terms of the exterior there is still quite a large gap between fourth- and fifth-generation fighters, however. Especially in terms of supercruise and stealth capability, aspects in which the Su-35S cannot compete with the F-22 or the T-50. The Chinese expert stated that China and India should not bicker over which Su-35 is more advanced, as the Su-35 is simply a complementary aircraft which will play a transient role in China's air fleet. As the development of the Su-35S will also take time, China's domestically developed fifth-generation J-20 stealth fighter will likely already be ready to be commissioned by the time the Su-35S is ready for service.


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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:17 pm

    Sounds like a silent eagle type development. Very useful for many countries seeking to get a 4.75 gen aircraft and saving masses of cash.
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    Post  mack8 on Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:58 pm

    According to this very reputable insider, KnAAZ plans to build by 2020 a total of 50 Su-35S for VKS, 24 for China and 28 for other export customers (he mentioned Pakistan or Indonesia, but i saw not long ago some details on the bmpd blog i think naming the probable export customers for Su-35 as Vietnam, Venezuela, Indonesia and China)
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    Post  zg18 on Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:24 am

    Su-35 in simulated dogfights over Kurile islands


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    Post  Guest on Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:14 am

    nemrod wrote:
    One of my favourite russian fighter bomber, with Mig-35.

    Good News! This what I hoped.
    Sincerly no need of the expensive Pak Fa, Iam sure one thing SU-35, beside Mig-35 are able to down any western aircraft, F-22, F-35, F-15, F-16, F-18, Typhoon EFA, Rafale etc.... Even the SU-30 SM, and Mig-33 are able.
    It is not a bad news, it seems that the Pak Fa will not play the major role.

    http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20150310000075&cid=1101


    Russia and India to work on 5th-gen upgrade to Su-35 fighter

    Russia and India have signed an agreement to jointly develop a fifth-generation upgrade of the Su-35 Super Flanker multirole fighter, according to a report published March 8 on Virginia-based military affairs website Defense News.

    The fighter will be a fifth-generation fighter like the US Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II, as opposed to the fourth-generation version of the Su-35 over which Russia and China are currently negotiating a deal.

    The Su-35 Super Flanker will be unable to compete with other "genuine" fifth-generation fighters and China does not need to get caught up in a game of one-upmanship with India and Russia, said an expert cited by China's nationalistic tabloid Global Times.

    Fifth-Generation Su-35S

    Defense News cited a Russian military insider as stating that Moscow and New Delhi have signed an agreement to design what Russia is calling the fifth-generation version of the Su-35 in India, which will see an Indian variant of the fighter created called the Su-35S. Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Russian state-run tech export corporation Rostec, was cited by the website as saying, "We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35...Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation."

    The shift from the fourth-generation Su-35, currently in service with the Russian Air Force, to the fifth-generation Su-35S will necessitate a large upgrade. The report in Defense News questioned the ability of the Su-35S to bear comparison with the F-35. An Indian Air Force official said Russia has pitched the Su-35S several times over the last six months, stating that it can replace the Indian Air Force's MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters, set to be retired from service in seven to eight years.

    Russia and India have already worked together on the development of a fifth-generation stealth fighter, the PAK FA T-50. The Defense News report suggested that the reason Russia has suddenly announced the development program for the stealth fighter is because they are trying to undercut France following the refusal of Paris to provide Russia with two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships. In 2012, New Delhi decided to buy 126 Dassault Rafale multirole fighters from the French company but they have been unable to reach a final agreement due to the technology transfer involved and the price. A Russian industry source cited in the report said the Su-35S will cost only US$85 million, very competitive when compared with the Rafale, and poses a threat to the deal between France and India. A report in the New Delhi-based Economic Times previously stated that India's air force command considers the Russian fighter and the Rafale to be complementary and that the former does not replace the need for the latter.

    China and the Fourth-Generation Su-35

    There had previously been a lot of buzz in the media about China becoming the first country to take delivery of an Su-35. According to the previous report on the website, China is set to sign a deal on May 19 to buy 24 Su-35 fighters from Russia. A Russian official has stated that the deal involves the fourth-generation Su-35, not the fifth-generation Su-35S. The official added, however, that China will be the first country in the world to buy the plane.

    The Defense News report did not specify the details of the differences between the Su-35 and the Su-35S. However, a Chinese military expert cited by the Global Times stated that the fifth-generation fighter will likely be based on the Su-30MKI that Russia and India developed together and will be equipped with advanced fifth-generation fighter avionics purchased by India, including active electronically scanned array radar, an infrared sensor for longer range targets and a custom tactical data link suited to the needs of the Indian Air Force, along with anti-electrical interference equipment. The source also stated that the fighter likely has limited stealth capabilities, including metal plating on the hood of the cabin and stealth materials coating the air inlets. Stealth capabilities hinge mostly on the exterior design of a fighter, however, he said. The area of the fifth generation F-22 that reflects radar is just 1 square meter and Russian aircraft maker Sukhoi has stated that the area of Su-30 series fighters that reflects radar is around 20 sq m.

    As the Su-35S will not involve a total rehaul of the outer structure of the series, it is not possible for the Su-35S to match the stealth capabilities of the F-22. The move to brand the Su-35S a "fifth-generation" fighter, therefore, seems a little more driven by propaganda than reality, according to Global Times. Given that the Su-30MKI went into production in 2002, six years after India and Russia signed the joint development agreement on the aircraft, the Su-35S will likely take a sustained period of time to develop and undergo tests before it can be commissioned or sold.

    Can the Fourth- to Fifth-Generation Gap be Bridged?

    A Chinese military expert stated that fourth-generation fighters can be upgraded to give them capabilities approaching those of fifth-generation fighters. This is most evident in the area of avionics, if enough investment is made, as with sufficient funds the avionics of the Su-35S could surpass those of the T-50. Through the purchase of fifth-generation directional efflux nozzles with a large thrust to weight ratio, the Su-35S could reach a level of subsonic maneuverability equal to that of the T-50.

    In terms of the exterior there is still quite a large gap between fourth- and fifth-generation fighters, however. Especially in terms of supercruise and stealth capability, aspects in which the Su-35S cannot compete with the F-22 or the T-50. The Chinese expert stated that China and India should not bicker over which Su-35 is more advanced, as the Su-35 is simply a complementary aircraft which will play a transient role in China's air fleet. As the development of the Su-35S will also take time, China's domestically developed fifth-generation J-20 stealth fighter will likely already be ready to be commissioned by the time the Su-35S is ready for service.

    Almost positive the article was proven to be BS. India has no interest in Su-35.
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:22 pm



    Four newly manufactured Su-35S #03, 04, 05, 06 seen at stopover at Novosibirsk.

    Source: NSK spotter - http://russianplanes.net/photer/Yurij_Vladimirovich
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    Post  franco on Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:31 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Four newly manufactured Su-35S #03, 04, 05, 06 seen at stopover at Novosibirsk.

    Source: NSK spotter - http://russianplanes.net/photer/Yurij_Vladimirovich


    Appear to be heading to Millerovo. Also interesting from the attached article is that this makes 40 delivered of which 26 are with the 23rd Regiment in Dzemgi plus 10 with training and evaluation units. Eight more are to be delivered by years end.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1591586.html

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    Post  medo on Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:23 pm

    franco wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Four newly manufactured Su-35S #03, 04, 05, 06 seen at stopover at Novosibirsk.

    Source: NSK spotter - http://russianplanes.net/photer/Yurij_Vladimirovich


    Appear to be heading to Millerovo. Also interesting from the attached article is that this makes 40 delivered of which 26 are with the 23rd Regiment in Dzemgi plus 10 with training and evaluation units. Eight more are to be delivered by years end.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1591586.html


    I hope Millerovo air base will soon get hangars for new Su-30SM and Su-35 planes.
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    Post  franco on Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:33 pm

    medo wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Four newly manufactured Su-35S #03, 04, 05, 06 seen at stopover at Novosibirsk.

    Source: NSK spotter - http://russianplanes.net/photer/Yurij_Vladimirovich


    Appear to be heading to Millerovo. Also interesting from the attached article is that this makes 40 delivered of which 26 are with the 23rd Regiment in Dzemgi plus 10 with training and evaluation units. Eight more are to be delivered by years end.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1591586.html


    I hope Millerovo air base will soon get hangars for new Su-30SM and Su-35 planes.

    Last month from the minutes of a meeting Shoigu had with the VKS and spetsstroy about the renovations of the airfields, that was one of the topics of discussion. Apparently they are in the works however priority is on getting the airfields fixed up. From previous articles that I have seen, they will not be the harden bunker type. The Iraq wars proven the uselessness of those against technology plus the Russian experience in building them only to have the next generation aircraft not fit. The models I saw were portable prefabs.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:35 pm

    i think now that the contract of 48 aircrafts is concluded there must be signed a new one


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    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:42 pm

    medo wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Four newly manufactured Su-35S #03, 04, 05, 06 seen at stopover at Novosibirsk.

    Source: NSK spotter - http://russianplanes.net/photer/Yurij_Vladimirovich


    Appear to be heading to Millerovo. Also interesting from the attached article is that this makes 40 delivered of which 26 are with the 23rd Regiment in Dzemgi plus 10 with training and evaluation units. Eight more are to be delivered by years end.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1591586.html


    I hope Millerovo air base will soon get hangars for new Su-30SM and Su-35 planes.

    Would be good idea, id hate to see them having rust issues in 2-3 years from entering service.
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:43 pm

    George1 wrote:i think now that the contract of 48 aircrafts is concluded there must be signed a new one

    There were rumons of another batch for 48 to be signed at MAKS2015, but nothing was mentioned after that.
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    Post  max steel on Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:27 pm

    Su-35S in HD afro




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    Post  franco on Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:34 pm

    In addition to Ivan's post above. Acceptance completed for the Su-35S;

    Khabarovsk, Nov 26 - RIA Novosti. The selection committee of the Air Force and Air Defense Eastern Military District has completed acceptance of Su-35s, which was held at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft plant (KnAAZ), told reporters on Thursday the head of the press service of BBO Alexander Gordeyev.

    "Acceptance of modern combat aircraft Su-35S is completed, it has already entered service Aviation Regiment District stationed in the Khabarovsk Territory, and put into operation," - said Gordeyev.

    According to him, the Su-35s began arriving in BBO Fighter Aviation Regiment at the beginning of last year.

    Su-35s - is a deeply modernized maneuverable multifunctional fighter generation "4 ++". It uses fifth-generation technologies that provide superior to the fighter aircraft of the same class.

    Distinctive features of the Su-35s are the new avionics based on digital information management system, new radar long-range detection of air targets and increase the number of simultaneously tracked engaged targets, increased engine power with a rotary thrust vector.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:14 pm

    max steel wrote:Su-35S in HD  afro




    Sexy beast like Zakharova Laughing



    Giulio wrote:No matter if the Chinese will copy the technology of the Su-35?

    Security of RF by having more US resources bound with China is more important.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:27 pm

    I was reading the article of the Su-35 on wikipedia and it is said that they are working with indians on a fith generation upgrade which will cost 85 milions.

    Is it a Su-35 "silent eagle" ?

    Is that true ?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35
    (at the end of the 'production and testing' part)
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    Post  Neutrality on Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:58 pm

    Isos wrote:I was reading the article of the Su-35 on wikipedia and it is said that they are working with indians on a fith generation upgrade which will cost 85 milions.

    Is it a Su-35 "silent eagle" ?

    Is that true ?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35    
    (at the end of the 'production and testing' part)

    Hold on, let me dial Mr. Pogosyan and ask him personally.

    Seriously, what kind of answer do you expect on a public forum?
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    Post  Isos on Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:16 pm

    Neutrality wrote:
    Isos wrote:I was reading the article of the Su-35 on wikipedia and it is said that they are working with indians on a fith generation upgrade which will cost 85 milions.

    Is it a Su-35 "silent eagle" ?

    Is that true ?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35    
    (at the end of the 'production and testing' part)

    Hold on, let me dial and ask him personally.

    Seriously, what kind of answer do you expect on a public forum?

    A confirmation with an other source as wikipedia is not realy the best one...
    I was just surprised to read that they work on a 5 gen su-35 while they have the pak fa.

    So what did Mr. Pogosyan say ? BTW say hello from all of us to him lol!

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