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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:24 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why was there such a procurement gap between the 955A and the original boreis?



    Because the newest Borei class 955A , will be an Upgrade ,of the previous ones ,based on their
    experience and or new technology developed since the first Borei came.  The same is true
    for the Yansen Class submarines

    As an example the first Pak-fa Planes will use a modified version of previous sukhoi engines.
    But once their next generation engine is finished , the new pak-fa's after 2020 can come with a new engine and even with new weapons , if something new came.
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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:22 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why was there such a procurement gap between the 955A and the original boreis?



    Because the newest Borei class 955A , will be an Upgrade ,of the previous ones ,based on their
    experience and or new technology developed since the first Borei came.  The same is true
    for the Yansen Class submarines

    As an example the first Pak-fa Planes will use a modified version of previous sukhoi engines.          
    But once their next generation engine is finished , the new pak-fa's after 2020 can come with a new engine and even with new weapons , if something new came.

    The 3x 955s were built using the hulls of unfinished Pr.971U (Akula-II) sitting at Sevmash, so the 955As will have a redesigned hull, likely more optimised for their role as SSBNs.

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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:46 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why was there such a procurement gap between the 955A and the original boreis?



    Because the newest Borei class 955A , will be an Upgrade ,of the previous ones ,based on their
    experience and or new technology developed since the first Borei came.  The same is true
    for the Yansen Class submarines

    As an example the first Pak-fa Planes will use a modified version of previous sukhoi engines.          
    But once their next generation engine is finished , the new pak-fa's after 2020 can come with a new engine and even with new weapons , if something new came.

    The 3x 955s were built using the hulls of unfinished Pr.971U (Akula-II) sitting at Sevmash, so the 955As will have a redesigned hull, likely more optimised for their role as SSBNs.

    ahh nice to know..

    And if wikipedia information is correct.
    Russia have 5x  Borei Class submarines in construction at same time.. and the one you say.
    the 955A with redesigned hull which will be called [Knyaz Vladimir]
    will be commissioned in 2017  Smile

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borey-class_submarine

    Russia apparently will only produce 8 borei class submarines at least. until 2020.
    But will not be surprising if they produce more after that date.
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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:21 pm

    Russia to float out first modernized nuclear submarine in August

    Three submarines of this class have already been delivered to the Russian Navy

    ST. PETERSBURG, June 26. /TASS/. The first modernized (the fourth Project 955A Borey-class) submarine, the Prince Vladimir, will be floated out in August this year, Russian Navy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Vladimir Korolyov said on Monday.

    "In August this year, the Severodvinsk-based Sevmash Shipyard will flout out the new Borey-class strategic underwater cruiser, the Prince Vladimir, which will strengthen the potential of the nuclear component of the Navy’s submarine fleet. Along with this, work is already under way to develop fifth-generation nuclear-powered submarines," the admiral said.

    The Prince Vladimir was laid down in 2012 and will become the fourth submarine in the series of eight Borey-class underwater cruisers and the first submarine of the improved Borey-A Project.

    Three submarines of this class have already been delivered to the Navy. Each such submarine carries 16 Bulava intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    In 2014, two submarines, the Prince Oleg and the Generalissimus Suvorov, were laid down. In 2015, the submarine Emperor Alexander III was laid down and in 2016 the keel of the submarine Prince Pozharsky was laid.

    Russian Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief Viktor Bursuk earlier said that the Prince Vladimir underwater cruiser was expected to be handed over to the Navy in 2018.


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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  Rowdyhorse4 on Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:54 pm

    Just want to point out to those who say the Borei-A will have 20 SLBMs....  

    the Russian Navy has said in an interview in 2013 that the Borei-A will still only carry 16 Bulavas when asked about the claim of 20...  

    not once did new outlets like TASS also ever mentioned about getting more missiles in their Boreis as part of their upgrade....    




    Untill we see the borei-A at launch, i'm still gonna say the Borei-A isn't getting more SLBMs...  

    http://www.deagel.com/Fighting-Ships/Project-955A_a000341002.aspx


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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  kvs on Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:01 pm

    Rowdyhorse4 wrote:Just want to point out to those who say the Borei-A will have 20 SLBMs....  

    the Russian Navy has said in an interview in 2013 that the Borei-A will still only carry 16 Bulavas when asked about the claim of 20...  

    not once did new outlets like TASS also ever mentioned about getting more missiles in their Boreis as part of their upgrade....    




    Untill we see the borei-A at launch, i'm still gonna say the Borei-A isn't getting more SLBMs...  

    http://www.deagel.com/Fighting-Ships/Project-955A_a000341002.aspx


    Hopefully that means more submarines deployed. Spreading the missiles over more subs is a very good idea since it makes it
    much harder for Uncle Scumbag and his minions to track them and take them out.
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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  Rowdyhorse4 on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:20 am

    kvs wrote:
    Rowdyhorse4 wrote:Just want to point out to those who say the Borei-A will have 20 SLBMs....  

    the Russian Navy has said in an interview in 2013 that the Borei-A will still only carry 16 Bulavas when asked about the claim of 20...  

    not once did new outlets like TASS also ever mentioned about getting more missiles in their Boreis as part of their upgrade....    




    Untill we see the borei-A at launch, i'm still gonna say the Borei-A isn't getting more SLBMs...  

    http://www.deagel.com/Fighting-Ships/Project-955A_a000341002.aspx


    Hopefully that means more submarines deployed.   Spreading the missiles over more subs is a very good idea since it makes it
    much harder for Uncle Scumbag and his minions to track them and take them out.  

    Its in line with the New START treaty and allows the russians to have more ships whilst slowly phasing out the older SSBNs...   it keeps up the numbers....


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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  Arrow on Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:57 pm

    What about the fourth Borey? Some sources said than this SSBN wil be launched in August ?
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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  Benya on Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:18 pm

    Arrow wrote:What about the fourth Borey? Some sources said than this SSBN wil be launched in August ?

    AFAIK, Knyaz Vladimir is having its electronics being fitted out.
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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  Benya on Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:13 pm

    Russian Project 955A and 885M Submarines to get Noiseless Leak-Proof Pumps

    The latest Russian nuclear submarines of projects 955A (codename Borei-A) and 885M (codename Yasen-M) will be practically undetectable for hydro-acoustic stations which are the main means to expose a submarine. The advantage will be provided by the latest noiseless domestically produced leak-proof pumps. Previously all Soviet and Russian-made submarines were equipped with pumps produced by the Gidrotekhnika scientific and technical center in Moldavia, the Izvestia daily reported.


    The K-535 Yuriy Dolgorukiy, first Project 955 Borey-class SSBN

    Each submarine has ten pumps which circulate liquid in the reactor, ensure submersion and surfacing, fill torpedo launches with water before engagement, cool the systems and equipment of the submarine. However their noisy operation is the main revealing problem of a nuclear submarine as hydro-acoustic stations of the adversary can hear it.

    The unique Russian pumps were designed and are serially produced by the Blade Hydraulic Machines (LGM) enterprise. The Main Navy command told Izvestia the new sealless leak-proof electric pumps passed a full test trial cycle and were introduced into the technical projects of perspective nuclear submarines and those under construction.

    The enterprise confirmed the creation of the pumps had been completed and supplies to the customer began. "The items and the production line have been fully created at the expense of the enterprise," LGM Executive Director Roman Pykhtin told Izvestia.


    Russian Navy First Project 885 Yasen-class Submarine Severodvinsk (K-560) underway

    "All pumps meet category 4 requirements for vibrating hydraulic equipment. It is the top product category. A few companies produce such units in the world. Their characteristics are super secret as they determine the physical portrait of each specific submarine. If they are known it is easy to detect it on the background of natural ocean noise," he said.

    The Gidrotekhnika in Chisinau supplied pumps for the Soviet and Russian Navy since 1962. Until recently the Moldavian products were purchased for all Russian warships under construction. The LGM pumps are a fully Russian product. They have a simple construction, small size and upgraded vibration and noise insulation. A pump operating at full swing can keep on its cap a five-ruble coin standing on its edge.

    Expert Vladimir Shcherbakov told Izvestia the decreased noise of submarine systems and mechanisms is one of the major problems. "The noisiness of a submarine is caused by numerous factors. It is mostly the operation of the main power plant - the nuclear reactor, pumps, diesel engines, shafts, screws, water jets. In case of propellers and water jets the noise is decreased by the upgrade of the mechanisms. It is possible to decrease the noise of an operating diesel engine or auxiliary mechanisms by suspensions and rubber mats on which they are placed. It is more difficult with the reactor as it could not be installed on a vibration platform and covered by rugs. It is possible to decrease the noise by upgrading its pumps. The noise produced by constantly circulating liquid is the loudest on a nuclear submarine," he said.

    At present nuclear submarines of projects 995A (five units) and 885M (6 boats) are being built for the Russian Navy. Only domestically-made equipment is used in construction. In future modular fifth-generation Husky-class submarines have to be laid and built with exclusively Russian-made systems and mechanisms, Izvestia said.

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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  Arrow on Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:19 pm

    China is developing more advanced technologies Laughing

    https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/07/china-all-electric-rim-driven-shaftless-ultraquiet-submarine-propulsion.html

    AFAIK, Knyaz Vladimir is having its electronics being fitted out. wrote:

    But when will be launched?
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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:39 pm

    The Gidrotekhnika in Chisinau supplied pumps for the Soviet and Russian Navy since 1962. Until recently the Moldavian products were purchased for all Russian warships under construction.

    WTF, this too? Are they serious? What a pile of retards!!!

    Had Soviet Union lasted couple decades more they would have probably moved every single hospital and food factory out of Russia and into the hinterlands. Were they expecting a thank you? You don't say thank you to a moron, you take him to the cleaners...

    You were supposed to do it other way around you morons!!! Literally most incompetent empire in whole of human history. I am amazed they lasted as long as they did. Imagine Britain moving it's entire industry from British Isles to India and then giving all the coal to them at no charge???

    At present nuclear submarines of projects 995A (five units) and 885M (6 boats) are being built for the Russian Navy.

    So roughly 11 super quiet nuke subs? Nice.
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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:46 am

    China is developing more advanced technologies

    Not really more advanced... just engine pods... new Russian icebreakers have them in service already too.

    The shaft is not really a significant noise generator... on really big ships they do take up a lot of space in the bottom of the ship.

    Engine pods can be placed around the ship to spread weight and being rotatable can be used to manouver a large ship so it does not need tugs to manouver in tight spaces in port.


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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  Rowdyhorse4 on Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:10 pm

    Benya wrote:Russian Project 955A and 885M Submarines to get Noiseless Leak-Proof Pumps

    The latest Russian nuclear submarines of projects 955A (codename Borei-A) and 885M (codename Yasen-M) will be practically undetectable for hydro-acoustic stations which are the main means to expose a submarine. The advantage will be provided by the latest noiseless domestically produced leak-proof pumps. Previously all Soviet and Russian-made submarines were equipped with pumps produced by the Gidrotekhnika scientific and technical center in Moldavia, the Izvestia daily reported.


    The K-535 Yuriy Dolgorukiy, first Project 955 Borey-class SSBN

    Each submarine has ten pumps which circulate liquid in the reactor, ensure submersion and surfacing, fill torpedo launches with water before engagement, cool the systems and equipment of the submarine. However their noisy operation is the main revealing problem of a nuclear submarine as hydro-acoustic stations of the adversary can hear it.

    The unique Russian pumps were designed and are serially produced by the Blade Hydraulic Machines (LGM) enterprise. The Main Navy command told Izvestia the new sealless leak-proof electric pumps passed a full test trial cycle and were introduced into the technical projects of perspective nuclear submarines and those under construction.

    The enterprise confirmed the creation of the pumps had been completed and supplies to the customer began. "The items and the production line have been fully created at the expense of the enterprise," LGM Executive Director Roman Pykhtin told Izvestia.


    Russian Navy First Project 885 Yasen-class Submarine Severodvinsk (K-560) underway

    "All pumps meet category 4 requirements for vibrating hydraulic equipment. It is the top product category. A few companies produce such units in the world. Their characteristics are super secret as they determine the physical portrait of each specific submarine. If they are known it is easy to detect it on the background of natural ocean noise," he said.

    The Gidrotekhnika in Chisinau supplied pumps for the Soviet and Russian Navy since 1962. Until recently the Moldavian products were purchased for all Russian warships under construction. The LGM pumps are a fully Russian product. They have a simple construction, small size and upgraded vibration and noise insulation. A pump operating at full swing can keep on its cap a five-ruble coin standing on its edge.

    Expert Vladimir Shcherbakov told Izvestia the decreased noise of submarine systems and mechanisms is one of the major problems. "The noisiness of a submarine is caused by numerous factors. It is mostly the operation of the main power plant - the nuclear reactor, pumps, diesel engines, shafts, screws, water jets. In case of propellers and water jets the noise is decreased by the upgrade of the mechanisms. It is possible to decrease the noise of an operating diesel engine or auxiliary mechanisms by suspensions and rubber mats on which they are placed. It is more difficult with the reactor as it could not be installed on a vibration platform and covered by rugs. It is possible to decrease the noise by upgrading its pumps. The noise produced by constantly circulating liquid is the loudest on a nuclear submarine," he said.

    At present nuclear submarines of projects 995A (five units) and 885M (6 boats) are being built for the Russian Navy. Only domestically-made equipment is used in construction. In future modular fifth-generation Husky-class submarines have to be laid and built with exclusively Russian-made systems and mechanisms, Izvestia said.

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    yeah i discussed about this with some of my friends....

    I think the core information there is really just that the Pumps are now 100 Percent a russian product....

    not the Noise reduction....

    pumps has been regular updated over the years anyways....

    Sensational article for navy recognition but its just normal routine for the Russian Submarine MIC....
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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:36 am

    Rowdyhorse4 wrote:
    Benya wrote:Russian Project 955A and 885M Submarines to get Noiseless Leak-Proof Pumps

    The latest Russian nuclear submarines of projects 955A (codename Borei-A) and 885M (codename Yasen-M) will be practically undetectable for hydro-acoustic stations which are the main means to expose a submarine. The advantage will be provided by the latest noiseless domestically produced leak-proof pumps. Previously all Soviet and Russian-made submarines were equipped with pumps produced by the Gidrotekhnika scientific and technical center in Moldavia, the Izvestia daily reported.


    The K-535 Yuriy Dolgorukiy, first Project 955 Borey-class SSBN

    Each submarine has ten pumps which circulate liquid in the reactor, ensure submersion and surfacing, fill torpedo launches with water before engagement, cool the systems and equipment of the submarine. However their noisy operation is the main revealing problem of a nuclear submarine as hydro-acoustic stations of the adversary can hear it.

    The unique Russian pumps were designed and are serially produced by the Blade Hydraulic Machines (LGM) enterprise. The Main Navy command told Izvestia the new sealless leak-proof electric pumps passed a full test trial cycle and were introduced into the technical projects of perspective nuclear submarines and those under construction.

    The enterprise confirmed the creation of the pumps had been completed and supplies to the customer began. "The items and the production line have been fully created at the expense of the enterprise," LGM Executive Director Roman Pykhtin told Izvestia.


    Russian Navy First Project 885 Yasen-class Submarine Severodvinsk (K-560) underway

    "All pumps meet category 4 requirements for vibrating hydraulic equipment. It is the top product category. A few companies produce such units in the world. Their characteristics are super secret as they determine the physical portrait of each specific submarine. If they are known it is easy to detect it on the background of natural ocean noise," he said.

    The Gidrotekhnika in Chisinau supplied pumps for the Soviet and Russian Navy since 1962. Until recently the Moldavian products were purchased for all Russian warships under construction. The LGM pumps are a fully Russian product. They have a simple construction, small size and upgraded vibration and noise insulation. A pump operating at full swing can keep on its cap a five-ruble coin standing on its edge.

    Expert Vladimir Shcherbakov told Izvestia the decreased noise of submarine systems and mechanisms is one of the major problems. "The noisiness of a submarine is caused by numerous factors. It is mostly the operation of the main power plant - the nuclear reactor, pumps, diesel engines, shafts, screws, water jets. In case of propellers and water jets the noise is decreased by the upgrade of the mechanisms. It is possible to decrease the noise of an operating diesel engine or auxiliary mechanisms by suspensions and rubber mats on which they are placed. It is more difficult with the reactor as it could not be installed on a vibration platform and covered by rugs. It is possible to decrease the noise by upgrading its pumps. The noise produced by constantly circulating liquid is the loudest on a nuclear submarine," he said.

    At present nuclear submarines of projects 995A (five units) and 885M (6 boats) are being built for the Russian Navy. Only domestically-made equipment is used in construction. In future modular fifth-generation Husky-class submarines have to be laid and built with exclusively Russian-made systems and mechanisms, Izvestia said.

    Arrow https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/august-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5481-russian-project-955a-and-885m-submarines-to-get-noiseless-leak-proof-pumps.html


    yeah i discussed about this with some of my friends....  

    I think the core information there is really just that the Pumps are now 100 Percent a russian product....  

    not the Noise reduction....

    pumps has been regular updated over the years anyways....  

    Sensational article for navy recognition but its just normal routine for the Russian Submarine MIC....  

    Why do you assume that innovation is not relevant?  It is unlikely that the Moldovan company making these pumps would have had the resources to advance them.   In fact, like most companies it would have been resting on its laurels.   LGM has more than likely introduced substantial innovation and the article is not exaggerating this.  Innovation is typically achieved with a fresh approach from upstarts.
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    Re: Project 955: Borei class SSBN

    Post  Rowdyhorse4 on Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:26 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Rowdyhorse4 wrote:
    Benya wrote:Russian Project 955A and 885M Submarines to get Noiseless Leak-Proof Pumps

    The latest Russian nuclear submarines of projects 955A (codename Borei-A) and 885M (codename Yasen-M) will be practically undetectable for hydro-acoustic stations which are the main means to expose a submarine. The advantage will be provided by the latest noiseless domestically produced leak-proof pumps. Previously all Soviet and Russian-made submarines were equipped with pumps produced by the Gidrotekhnika scientific and technical center in Moldavia, the Izvestia daily reported.


    The K-535 Yuriy Dolgorukiy, first Project 955 Borey-class SSBN

    Each submarine has ten pumps which circulate liquid in the reactor, ensure submersion and surfacing, fill torpedo launches with water before engagement, cool the systems and equipment of the submarine. However their noisy operation is the main revealing problem of a nuclear submarine as hydro-acoustic stations of the adversary can hear it.

    The unique Russian pumps were designed and are serially produced by the Blade Hydraulic Machines (LGM) enterprise. The Main Navy command told Izvestia the new sealless leak-proof electric pumps passed a full test trial cycle and were introduced into the technical projects of perspective nuclear submarines and those under construction.

    The enterprise confirmed the creation of the pumps had been completed and supplies to the customer began. "The items and the production line have been fully created at the expense of the enterprise," LGM Executive Director Roman Pykhtin told Izvestia.


    Russian Navy First Project 885 Yasen-class Submarine Severodvinsk (K-560) underway

    "All pumps meet category 4 requirements for vibrating hydraulic equipment. It is the top product category. A few companies produce such units in the world. Their characteristics are super secret as they determine the physical portrait of each specific submarine. If they are known it is easy to detect it on the background of natural ocean noise," he said.

    The Gidrotekhnika in Chisinau supplied pumps for the Soviet and Russian Navy since 1962. Until recently the Moldavian products were purchased for all Russian warships under construction. The LGM pumps are a fully Russian product. They have a simple construction, small size and upgraded vibration and noise insulation. A pump operating at full swing can keep on its cap a five-ruble coin standing on its edge.

    Expert Vladimir Shcherbakov told Izvestia the decreased noise of submarine systems and mechanisms is one of the major problems. "The noisiness of a submarine is caused by numerous factors. It is mostly the operation of the main power plant - the nuclear reactor, pumps, diesel engines, shafts, screws, water jets. In case of propellers and water jets the noise is decreased by the upgrade of the mechanisms. It is possible to decrease the noise of an operating diesel engine or auxiliary mechanisms by suspensions and rubber mats on which they are placed. It is more difficult with the reactor as it could not be installed on a vibration platform and covered by rugs. It is possible to decrease the noise by upgrading its pumps. The noise produced by constantly circulating liquid is the loudest on a nuclear submarine," he said.

    At present nuclear submarines of projects 995A (five units) and 885M (6 boats) are being built for the Russian Navy. Only domestically-made equipment is used in construction. In future modular fifth-generation Husky-class submarines have to be laid and built with exclusively Russian-made systems and mechanisms, Izvestia said.

    Arrow https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/august-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5481-russian-project-955a-and-885m-submarines-to-get-noiseless-leak-proof-pumps.html


    yeah i discussed about this with some of my friends....  

    I think the core information there is really just that the Pumps are now 100 Percent a russian product....  

    not the Noise reduction....

    pumps has been regular updated over the years anyways....  

    Sensational article for navy recognition but its just normal routine for the Russian Submarine MIC....  

    Why do you assume that innovation is not relevant?  It is unlikely that the Moldovan company making these pumps would have had the resources to advance them.   In fact, like most companies it would have been resting on its laurels.   LGM has more than likely introduced substantial innovation and the article is not exaggerating this.  Innovation is typically achieved with a fresh approach from upstarts.


    Because it isn't....  

    the Russian MIC has been upgrading their pumps since the 60's.....      
    Why the hell would you use pumps from the 60's in the era of 2000s...

    The "Innovation" and i think was a good and necessary part is the fact that the Pumps are finally 100% russian made now which is good as it prevents it from getting hampered by sanctions.....
    Not they upgraded the pumps....  

    Upgrading the pumps has been an ongoing thing since ever....
    its just not news sensational back then....  

    Again, the Key point now is not that the pump is being upgraded but the fact that the new pumps will 100% russian made....

    this is an opinion shared by ex-RuN sailors as well....

    the upgrade itself is not really that Innovational as one would hype it...
    its not like the Russians have attached a Caterpiller drive on their Yasens (Which would cool to see imo XD)...  

    Something that i would find sensational is the fact that the Udaloys are getting UKSK VLS and other stuff...  
    YES its OFFICIAL now that they are getting UKSKs....  

    Now thats something big....  

    But thats for the Udaloy Section!

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