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franco Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:49 pm

Ivanovo paratroopers received 37 new combat vehicles and armored personnel carriers

Moscow. July 26. INTERFAX- Paratroopers from Ivanovo received a set of 37 BMD-4M and BTR-MDM "Shell" combat vehicles, the Department of Information and Mass Communications (DIMC) of the Russian Defense Ministry reported.
"The Ivanovo Guards Airborne Airborne Unit received the first battalion set of fourth-generation amphibious assault vehicles-31 BMD-4M and six BTR-MDM "Shell", the Defense Ministry said.
"The Russian Airborne Troops continue to be equipped with the latest models of military equipment, which are the BMD-4M and the BTR-MDM "Shell". This is the eleventh set in the Airborne Troops and the first set in the Ivanovo Airborne Unit, " said Alexey Ragozin, Deputy Commander of the Armed Forces, whose words were quoted in the DIMK.
According to him, the new vehicles will increase the combat capabilities of the paratrooper units and will allow bringing combat training to a new level.
"By the end of this year, two more sets of the latest combat vehicles are planned to be delivered to the Airborne Troops," the Russian Defense Ministry added.

The BMD-4M amphibious assault vehicles are equipped with a 30-mm automatic cannon with a high rate of fire, as well as a large-caliber 100-mm cannon that allows firing at a range of up to seven kilometers. With the help of four Arkan anti-tank guided missiles, the crew can fight almost all tanks known today.
The multi-purpose amphibious modernized armored personnel carrier BTR-MDM "Shell" is designed to increase the mobility of the landing forces and their rapid transfer to the desired area. The car can accelerate up to 70 km/h and is able to transport paratroopers at a distance of up to 500 km without refueling. In addition to two crew members, the amphibious compartment carries up to 13 military personnel.

https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=553861&lang=RU

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George1 Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:54 am

The 11th battalion set of BMD-4M and MDM armored personnel carriers delivered to the Airborne Forces

As reported on July 26, 2021 by the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on the eve of the celebration of the 91st anniversary of the formation of the Airborne Forces in the Ivanovo Guards Airborne Force [98th Guards Airborne Division] of the Airborne troops received the first battalion set of fourth-generation airborne combat vehicles BMD-4M and BTR-MDM "Shell".

Almost forty combat vehicles of the fourth generation BMD-4M and BTR-MDM "Shell" (BMD-4M and BTR-MDM "Shell"), which are part of the battalion set, were delivered to the troops in accordance with the state program for equipping formations and military units of Air landing troops with the latest weapons, military and special equipment (VVST).

Bmpd's comment. Thus, the battalion set of BMD-4M and BTR-MDM "Shell" received the 217th Guards Parachute Ivanovsky Order of Kutuzov Regiment of the 98th Guards Airborne Division in Ivanovo. This is the eleventh battalion set of BMD-4M and BTR-MDM delivered to the Airborne Forces. The battalion kit now includes 31 BMD-4M airborne assault vehicles and eight MDM "Rakushka" armored personnel carriers.

Earlier on June 8, 2021, this year's first (and tenth in a row) battalion kit BMD-4M and BTR-MDM was transferredin the 247th Guards Airborne Assault Caucasian Cossack Regiment of the 7th Novorossiysk Guards Airborne Shtum (Mountain) Airborne Division.

Battalion sets of new BMD-4M airborne assault vehicles (including armored personnel carriers MDM Rakushka armored personnel carriers) have been supplied to the Russian Airborne Forces since 2016. By now, the 137th Guards Airborne Regiment of the 106th Guards Airborne Division, stationed in Ryazan (the sets were transferred in September and December 2016 ), the 31st Guards Separate Airborne Assault Brigade, have received two battalion sets of these machines each. in Ulyanovsk (kits transferred in April and August 2017 ), and the 104th Guards Airborne AssaultRed Banner Regiment (kits transferred in February 2018 and March 2019 ) and 234th Guards Airborne Assault Regiment (kits transferred in January and June 2020) of the 76th Guards Airborne Assault Division in Pskov. One battalion set each was delivered to the 108th Guards Kuban Cossack Airborne Assault Regiment deployed in Novorossiysk (in 2020) and to the 247th Guards Airborne Assault Caucasian Cossack Regiment of the 7th Novorossiysk Guards Mountain Air Assault Regiment stationed in Stavropol divisions ( in June 2021 ).

In total, according to estimates, up to 380 BMD-4M and up to 200 MDM armored personnel carriers have been manufactured to date. The BMD-4M and MDM armored personnel carriers were officially adopted by the Russian Armed Forces in April 2016.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4359280.html

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BMDs from left to right: 1, 2, 3, 4 and 4M

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Introduction of the new armored vehicles

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Reconnaissance and control vehicle of the commander of the Kornet-D1 ATGM battery

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Kornet-D1 airborne self-propelled anti-tank missile system

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medo Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:05 am

Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Reconnaissance and control vehicle of the commander of the Kornet-D1 ATGM battery

Very interesting. Is that radar antenna in front of the turret? It looks it could rotate 360^o and have higher elevation. It have Kornet missiles, but could they be replaced by Sosna or Verba missiles to act in air defense? Ataka missile have both version, anti-tank and air defense. I don't know for Kornet.

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Hole Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:06 am

The newest version can hit air targets at up to 10km.

Nice recon vehicle. Has "just" 4 ATGM´s. Very Happy

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lyle6 Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:57 am

flamming_python wrote:
Wouldn't it be less cramped if the seating arrangement was instead something more like this?

The seats serve as steps for the roof hatches.

There's a more morbid case for it though. A vehicle with this spacious an interior and skimp on heavy steel: its never going to be well protected, especially from the sides. What you can do to mitigate the possible damage is to orient the crew facing forwards so that most of the penetrating hits to the sides would cheerfully pass through empty space.

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flamming_python Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:59 am

lyle6 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
Wouldn't it be less cramped if the seating arrangement was instead something more like this?

The seats serve as steps for the roof hatches.

There's a more morbid case for it though. A vehicle with this spacious an interior and skimp on heavy steel: its never going to be well protected, especially from the sides. What you can do to mitigate the possible damage is to orient the crew facing forwards so that most of the penetrating hits to the sides would cheerfully pass through empty space.

I suppose both of those points make sense

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GarryB Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:19 pm

Priorities for VDV are speed and mobility and fire power... in combat most of the time they will be deep in enemy rear areas fighting third line reserves guarding air fields and other targets deep behind the front line.

The whole point of these vehicles is speed and mobility so they can be dropped in the middle of nowhere where there is no air defence and no forces to oppose them.

Once mounted up they can go in any direction so even intel on where they landed wont tell you what their target is and there might be 10 airfields within 100km of where they land... or they might be after something else... you really wont know for sure until they strike... and their mobility and fire power allows them to take out small rear area installations fairly easily and quickly... if they capture an airfield the Russians have the ability to destroy the local air control tower and land their own and then conduct landing operations bringing in large forces fairly quickly to secure the position and expand into the enemies rear areas.

Most rear areas will be defended against air attack, but few will be prepared or ready for a ground attack that might target an airfield to be captured so forces can be brought in by air to start a second front, but then it might be an attack on a civilian power station or hydro dam, or it could be the land branch of an attack on a port that will also be hit from the sea.

They are a flexible mobile force that might come in by parachute but could just as easily come in by helicopter or they might get the use of one of those 40K ton landing ships together with Naval Infantry.

In the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia in 2008 they realised how unconnected their special forces are and they have taken the time to learn to work together since then, so operating together in an air, helicopter and sea invasion force would not be out of the question depending on the target.

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GarryB Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:32 pm

The video at the end of this link includes a robot BMD vehicle being tested for EMP and blast and radiation...

Linked here for interest.

https://www.russiadefence.net/t3117p500-russian-army-robots#334177

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Cyberspec Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:51 pm

medo wrote:Very interesting. Is that radar antenna in front of the turret? It looks it could rotate 360^o and have higher elevation. It have Kornet missiles, but could they be replaced by Sosna or Verba missiles to act in air defense? Ataka missile have both version, anti-tank and air defense. I don't know for Kornet.

Seems it is a radar....older drawing of the same vehicle but with different missile arrangement

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GarryB Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:24 pm

A lot of people I know are surprised to find out vehicles they had never heard of before even existed, yet are deployed quite widely... and not just vehicles.

There was no mention at all of suppressed rifles and assault rifles in the public sources in the 1980s despite the AS and VSS weapons entering service then.

Equally, mention only started regarding RPOs in open public sources in the early 1990s.

The vehicles you see in books and indeed in videos of exercises never include certain important vehicles... it was not until I started playing Gunship 2000 in the 1990s that I realised there was an MTLBu variant based vehicle called an ACRV-2 which is a command vehicle operated by most Russian armoured formations just as an example.

In the 1990s there was a series of books published by a company called Concord that was filled with lots of photos, they sold them in model shops, and there was one particular book on the VDV which had pictures of all sorts of up until then secret versions of the vehicle.

Here are some other new models of the BMD that I found a while back:

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Both clearly related, both also proposed models, and one with a radar and one with some sort of 360 degree IR sensor... both presumably for air defence and both likely able to be raised up for a better view of the surrounding airspace.

Seems it is a radar....older drawing of the same vehicle but with different missile arrangement

It is clearly not their dedicated ATGM vehicle so perhaps this is their recon vehicle...

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medo Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:47 pm

Cyberspec wrote:Seems it is a radar....older drawing of the same vehicle but with different missile arrangement

GarryB wrote:It is clearly not their dedicated ATGM vehicle so perhaps this is their recon vehicle...

This is clearly combat vehicle, not recon one. It have fixed tracking radar antenna, similarly to the one on Pantsir, but much smaller. Either this is VDV version of Khrizantema ATGM, which use both radar and laser guidance, either this is an air defense complex as it could work on higher elevation.

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Kornet and Ataka look similar from the front. Both Kornet-M in 9M133FM-3 version and 9M120D Ataka have 10 km range and are laser guided. Ataka have anti-aircraft version, so maybe Kornet also have it as 9M133FM-3 missile have HE-FRAG warhead. They only need to add proximity fuse.

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Hole Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:33 am

The one vehicle trades 4 missiles for a radar. Could still be some sort of recon/command vehicle for the ATGM battery.

The two vehicles in GarryB´s post are part of the Barnaul-T command and control system for the air defence of the VDV.

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I guess it´s some sort of ELINT system, not IR.

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TMA1 Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:30 am

Hole wrote:The one vehicle trades 4 missiles for a radar. Could still be some sort of recon/command vehicle for the ATGM battery.

The two vehicles in GarryB´s post are part of the Barnaul-T command and control system for the air defence of the VDV.

I guess it´s some sort of ELINT system, not IR.

Middle one looks like it has the radar used for a group of four soldiers with Igla missiles. Not sure of the first one

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GarryB Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:28 pm

This is clearly combat vehicle, not recon one. It have fixed tracking radar antenna, similarly to the one on Pantsir, but much smaller. Either this is VDV version of Khrizantema ATGM, which use both radar and laser guidance, either this is an air defense complex as it could work on higher elevation.

I thought Krisantema because of the radar... which would have little value for other laser beam riding missiles... the whole advantage of Krisantema is that it can be used in conditions of low to zero visibility like sand and snow storms or monsoon rain or fog or mist.

I would think it would be a good missile to pair with Verba and Igla-S on those Gibka turrets because the ability to operate in low visibility would compliment the IR guided weapons.

But the ground based version was modified because the ground based radar system was considered too expensive even if the missiles are not.

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medo Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:16 pm

Pictures are from this video.

That recon/command vehicle looks strange for recon/command vehicle and is more combat vehicle. For recon/command vehicle I would expect to have some sort of battlefield surveilance radar as Credo or Fara, EO complex, RWS for self defense and more communications. But it have same communications as other Kornet-D1 vehicle and is equipped with fixed tracking radar in the turret/RWS. Unusual for ATGM complex and more common for AD vehicles. Of course, VDV could have different approach for their ATGM recon/command vehicle, but they still need replacement for their Strela-10.

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Better look at ther mast/antenna

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GarryB Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:35 am

Good old Vitaly...

Of course, VDV could have different approach for their ATGM recon/command vehicle, but they still need replacement for their Strela-10.

I remember a slide from a slide show showing a new SAM vehicle for the VDV but I suspect the replacement for Strela-10 will be Pine....

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medo Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:58 pm

GarryB wrote:Good old Vitaly...

Of course, VDV could have different approach for their ATGM recon/command vehicle, but they still need replacement for their Strela-10.

I remember a slide from a slide show showing a new SAM vehicle for the VDV but I suspect the replacement for Strela-10 will be Pine....

Yes, VDV plan to buy Ptitselov, which will be modified Sosna-R on BMD-4M chassis. Ground forces also want to buy Ptitselov, to have unified system with VDV and still didn't get any Sosna-R. Yes, all sources designate it as command vehicle for Kornet-D1. Kornet-M is claimed to be capable to engage aerial targets at low altitude, so this command vehicle could as well serve for air protection of other ATGMs. We do not know anything about radar in front, but it could be very useful against smaller drones to detect them and guide Kornet missile to the target. We will have to wait for Ptitselov to be shown in public. On the other hand VDV will also receive Typhoon-VDV vehicles in armament in different variants and it could as well be delivered in air defense variant, like with Gibka-S module or other. I think Typhoon-VDV will also have Kornet-D1 variant.

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Full battalion of 30 BMD-4M´s will be dropped from 15 Il-76

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George1 Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:46 pm

For the first time, the Airborne Forces parachute an airborne battalion in full force on modern BMD-4M

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