In the back of an enemy the would mostly only encounter APC´s and unarmored vehicles. Maintenance and supply troops and so on. And if they meet a heavier opponent, they will hit them with surprise and from behind.
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In a year or so the VDV will receive the 2S25M1 which will increase their firepower. It won´t fight against an M1 or Leo2 in a duel situation but Bradley/Warrior/Puma would be toast.
Hole wrote:In the back of an enemy the would mostly only encounter APC´s and unarmored vehicles. Maintenance and supply troops and so on. And if they meet a heavier opponent, they will hit them with surprise and from behind.
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In a year or so the VDV will receive the 2S25M1 which will increase their firepower. It won´t fight against an M1 or Leo2 in a duel situation but Bradley/Warrior/Puma would be toast.
With Sprut's mobility it wouldn't have to fight Abrams and Leo2's front-to-front, and remember neither of those vehicles have auto-loaders which means you cant fire on the move, or GLATGM's (from the most part) which means you can't accurately hit highly mobile enemies. Allegedly Leo2's got some LAHATS from Israel, not likely in large quantities because it got them late in their lifespans, but that's beside the point because LAHAT is vulnerable to PPS and Reflex isn't.
In the back of an enemy the would mostly only encounter APC´s and unarmored vehicles. Maintenance and supply troops and so on. And if they meet a heavier opponent, they will hit them with surprise and from behind.
IF they come across a heavier opponent they have Kornet and other anti armour weapons to deal with the odd enemy heavy.
In a year or so the VDV will receive the 2S25M1 which will increase their firepower. It won´t fight against an M1 or Leo2 in a duel situation but Bradley/Warrior/Puma would be toast.
Across many terrain types an Abrams or Leopard would just sink, while the gun of the Sprut is just as powerful as any other 125mm gun and fires the same ammo... and again there is always Kornet or soon Hermes.
Any enemy positions with front line armour would be bypassed rather than engaged... they experimented with bombs on their Il-76s to allow supporting a landing themselves... a few laser guided 500kg bombs would take out any MBTs near the landing position if needed...
In the back of an enemy the would mostly only encounter APC´s and unarmored vehicles. Maintenance and supply troops and so on. And if they meet a heavier opponent, they will hit them with surprise and from behind.
IF they come across a heavier opponent they have Kornet and other anti armour weapons to deal with the odd enemy heavy.
In a year or so the VDV will receive the 2S25M1 which will increase their firepower. It won´t fight against an M1 or Leo2 in a duel situation but Bradley/Warrior/Puma would be toast.
Across many terrain types an Abrams or Leopard would just sink, while the gun of the Sprut is just as powerful as any other 125mm gun and fires the same ammo... and again there is always Kornet or soon Hermes.
Any enemy positions with front line armour would be bypassed rather than engaged... they experimented with bombs on their Il-76s to allow supporting a landing themselves... a few laser guided 500kg bombs would take out any MBTs near the landing position if needed...
500kg standard bombs is overkill, unless your talking about munitions dispensers.
Could be a 500kg cluster bomb with anti tank submunitions, or sensor fused top attack munitions, but equally their might be a concrete bunker near the target that needs to be sorted out, or a building that contains enemy troops or a command centre that needs to be levelled...
Having it and not needing it is better than needing it and not having it.
Surprises can always happen... like you lock down a building to rob the place and pretend it is a terrorist attack only to find there is a New York cop there with his wife at christmas time who takes out all your professional european mercenary killers and spoils your plans...
Or you are just a cook on a ship that is taken over by bad guys like Tommy Lee Jones and it is just you and a really hot cake stripper chick against lots of well armed terrorists... you see what I mean?
But seriously, the point of armour is mobility so they don't need to be dropped directly on a well protected (from air attack) position, and any strong points between where you land and where you need to take down the enemy can be bypassed. A more suitable force can be sent later to deal with them. Or nuke them from orbit when you find the planet infested with flesh eating chest bursting aliens.
- 104th Guards Airborne Assault Red Banner Regiment of the 76th Guards Airborne Assault Division in Pskov received the second battalion set of new airborne combat vehicles BMD-4M and the BTR-MDM airborne armored personnel carriers Rakushka - the first such set was handed over to 104 th regiment February 6, 2018.
- At present, five battalion sets of BMD-4M and BTR-MDM [not including the battalion set, transferred on March 14 - bmpd] have been supplied to the Airborne Forces troops.
In September and December 2016, the first two battalion sets of serial BMD-4M (including one produced in 2015) received the 137th Guards Parachute Regiment of the 106th Guards Airborne Division stationed in Ryazan. In April and August 2017, two battalion sets BMD-4M received the 31st Guards separate assault assault brigade in Ulyanovsk.
-In addition, in early 2017, the BMD-4M company kit (ten cars) received the 242nd Airborne Training Center in Omsk.
-The first 17 serial BMD-4M and 12 BTR-MDM were delivered to the Ministry of Defense in the first half of 2015. According to known data, they were received by the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School
-BMD-4M and BTR-MDM were officially adopted by the Armed Forces of Russia in April 2016.
They would be protected from HMG from most angles (14.5mm) and possibly auto cannon rounds from the front... possibly up to 30mm from more than 1,000m or so most likely.
Their purpose is speed and mobility and fire power in an enemies rear.
Think of a mission to capture an airfield deep in the enemy rear... the airfield will have serious air defences, but wont be well protected in terms of ground forces, which will have mostly moved up to the front.
An airborne force like the US or UK or German are not motorised and mostly move by foot, so they would need to land reasonably close to the airfield, which will alert the air field and likely lead to aircraft being shot down.
An airborne force of the VDV could land 100km away from the airfield.... then mount up in their armoured vehicles and head towards the airfield an attack it with a ground force... the air defences of the air field will be largely useless because western air defence generally doesn't include guns... just missiles, and the ground defence force will likely be rather small and poorly equipped... the overwhelming speed and fire power of the vdv force will quickly over power the base defences and once they have control of the airfield and have neutralised the air defences on the ground they can fly in heavy armour so any attempt to concentrate a ground force or rear area resources to retake the airfield just needs a few hours of repulsing before a decent ground force is accumulated to take the fight to them and start expanding the ground force to take the enemy from behind...
The weight issue would be the main reason for not making them heavily armoured... a BMD the weight of a Kurganets would rip its parachutes and dig its own grave on landing.
Conversely in some terrain like soft bog or heavy snow or just deep mud such vehicles would be excellent because the enemy would likely have no working armour at all in such conditions...
They have modern thermal sights and automated fire control systems, and powerful modern weapons... in comparison UK Paras and American airborne are not so well equipped... the only western comparable vehicles would be the Weisel... which is like a T-26 with a 20mm cannon that is a bit faster than the T-26 was, and the Sheridan, which is very very ordinary and rather less impressive than the BMD-1 let alone the BMD-4M.
More importantly these western vehicles are individual vehicles... there are no APC/IFV, or other platforms to carry the entire unit together around the place.
dino00 wrote:.......... Last year, Kurganmashzavod was unable to transfer them due to the failure of France in the supply of components
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6659039
Do do guys think if there will come a day when they alongside rest of the country will muster the strength and courage to remove that juicy over-advertised French cock out of their mouth?
Well refusal to supply is always a good incentive to create alternatives...
What is really funny is they are spending all this time finding things they can use to hurt the Russians, but eventually when they realise they are only hurting themselves and they drop the sanctions the Russians will already have replaced their products, and while the Russians will be quick to drop their own sanctions that were imposed in response... it will be interesting to see what happens.
Before the sanctions the EU basically supplied food to Russia, agriculture was weak in Russia and with cheap food coming from the EU it was really not likely to change unless the Russian government helped and that would raise complaints about subsidies and bad commercial practises and all that crap.
With the sanctions and government support Russia now produces a lot of food and exports it now too so when the sanctions come off there will not be the same big open market with little local competition in Russia anymore... and of course with these growing Russian agriculture companies with the sanctions gone they might start looking to the large EU market for selling their goods for bigger profits... the rouble is low and the Euro is valuable... that is going to be very serious competition for EU growers, while opening up access to the Russian market where they will also compete with Russian producers too with their low costs and cheap currency.
For Thales and military equipment providers the problem is going to be similar... Russian companies have the advantage of lower costs and the risk of future sanctions that could be imposed for any reason at all... Russia wont buy French ships any more... when Russian companies have made advances in optics and thermal night vision equipment as well as new radar technology... why would they consider working with french or any other EU company again?
the part in question is France's refusal to supply the thermal imaging matrices. So in other words, Russia is forced to use their own thermal matrices developed by NPO Orion.
Last year in Sept, I posted a link about how Borisov has explained that they completely replaced France's Sapsan Thermal imager matrix with Russian one. TPK-K replaces replaces ESSA system.
The 234th Airborne Assault Regiment of the Pskov Airborne Division received the BMD-4M battalion set
According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on January 17, 2020, on the territory of the [234th Guards] Airborne Assault Regiment of the 76th Guards Airborne Assault Division in Pskov under the leadership of the Deputy Commander of the Airborne Forces (Airborne Forces), Major General Anatoly Kontsevoy solemn ritual of transferring the latest models of military equipment.
The seventh battalion equipment kit for Pskov paratroopers includes 39 combat vehicles of the new generation BMD-4M (31 units) and BTR-MDM "Shell" (8 units).
In a festive atmosphere with the participation of command and servicemen of the guards, veterans of the unit, representatives of the Pskov administration and youth military-patriotic organizations, the new equipment was handed over to the military personnel of one of the air assault battalions.
As the deputy commander of the Airborne Forces, Major General Anatoly Kontseva noted in his speech, today the glorified 234th Guards Airborne Assault Black Sea Order of Kutuzov III degree regiment named after the Holy Right Alexander Nevsky received new generation combat vehicles BMD-4M and BTR-MDM. The combat vehicles created by the designers increase the power of the Airborne Forces, which stand guard over Russia's national interests.
“The troops continue to develop and improve. Taking into account the planned deliveries of modern types of armored weapons and equipment in 2020, the delivery of two more battalion sets of combat vehicles is planned for the units and military units of the Airborne Forces, ”said Major General Anatoly Kontseva.
Equipping the troops with modern equipment and controls helps to increase the combat capabilities of the Airborne Forces, and the implementation of the tasks of the state defense order in the interests of the Airborne Troops can increase the share of new and modernized models.
All the soldiers of the air assault regiment, which received new equipment, on the eve passed a training course and retraining for new weapons in Omsk on the basis of the 242nd training center (training of junior specialists of the Airborne Troops).
Comment by bmpd. Thus, the 234th Guards Airborne Assault Regiment of the 76th Guards Airborne Assault Division in Pskov received its first battalion set of new BMD-4M airborne combat vehicles and the BTR-MDM Rakushka airborne armored personnel carriers, which became the seventh battle unit transferred by the Airborne Forces from industry.
In general, the delivery of battalion sets of new BMD-4M airborne combat vehicles (including the BTR-MDM Rakushka armored personnel carriers) to the Russian Airborne Troops has been carried out since 2016. Two battalion sets of these vehicles have so far received another 104th Guards Airborne Assault Red Banner Regiment of the same 76th Guards Airborne Assault Division in Pskov (kits delivered in February 2018 and March 2019 ), 137th Guards Parachute Airborne Regiment of the 106th Guards Airborne Division, stationed in Ryazan (in September and December 2016). and the 31st Guards Separate Airborne Assault Brigade in Ulyanovsk (in April and August 2017).
In addition, at the beginning of 2017, the BMD-4M company kit (ten vehicles) received the 242nd Airborne Training Center in Omsk.
Series production of BMD-4M ("Object 960M") is carried out by Volgograd Tractor Plant JSC, and BTR-MDM ("Object 955") is carried out by Kurgan Machine-Building Plant JSC (KMZ). The delivery of serial BMD-4M and BTR-MDM is carried out under a long-term contract concluded by the Russian Ministry of Defense in 2014.
The first 17 serial BMD-4M and 12 BTR-MDM were delivered to the Ministry of Defense in the first half of 2015. According to well-known data, they received the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command Order of the Suvorov twice Red Banner School named after Army General V.F. Margelova. The delivery of the first BMD-4M battalion set was also originally planned for 2015, but was eventually postponed for a year due to the “need to finalize production documentation,” and this first battalion set was handed over to the 137th Guards Parachute Regiment in Ryazan only in September 2016 year.
In total, up to 250 BMD-4M and up to 150 BTR-MDM are currently manufactured in this way. BMD-4M and BTR-MDM were officially adopted by the Armed Forces of Russia in April 2016.
Supposedly the 8th battalion set was delivered in March. Does anyone know to which unit? Also, the 9th and 10th are schedule to be delivered in 2020. Anyone know to which units?
calripson wrote:Supposedly the 8th battalion set was delivered in March. Does anyone know to which unit? Also, the 9th and 10th are schedule to be delivered in 2020. Anyone know to which units?
So far they having been doing 2 battalions per regiment so based on that most likely the 234th again. I would suspect the 7th Division is due for the future but just a guess.
calripson wrote:Supposedly the 8th battalion set was delivered in March. Does anyone know to which unit? Also, the 9th and 10th are schedule to be delivered in 2020. Anyone know to which units?
So far they having been doing 2 battalions per regiment so based on that most likely the 234th again. I would suspect the 7th Division is due for the future but just a guess.
According to this article it was actually the 108th Regiment of the 7th Division.
JohninMK wrote:Them and their predecessors. Like everything else they have put on a little weight over time.
BMD-1, BMD-2, BMD-3, BMD-4, and BMD-4M.
Really shows the chassis differential between the BMD-1/2, BMD-3/4 and BMD-4M. The numerical designation mainly represented different turrets. There was rumored to be 4 battalions of the BMD-3/4. Wonder if any still operational? Haven't seen any in training videos for awhile.
Russian paratroopers receive over 160 latest combat vehicles since start of year
They include the latest BMD-4M airborne infantry fighting vehicles and BTR-MDM ‘Rakushka’ armored personnel carriers
MOSCOW, May 29. /TASS/. Russian paratroopers have received over 160 items of the armor since the start of the year, including the latest BMD-4M airborne infantry fighting vehicles and BTR-MDM ‘Rakushka’ armored personnel carriers, the Defense Ministry reported on Friday.
"This year, the Airborne Force’s units, formations and facilities have taken the delivery of over 160 items of the armor, including the latest BMD-4M airborne infantry fighting vehicles, BTR-MDM ‘Rakushka’ armored personnel carriers, upgraded BMD-2KA-U airborne infantry fighting vehicles, BTR-D, BTR-82AM armored personnel carriers and MTO-UB2 maintenance workshops," the ministry said.
The new and upgraded military hardware has arrived for all the Airborne Force’s units, formations and facilities, the ministry stressed.
"All the combat vehicles and armaments that have arrived for the Airborne Force will be actively employed during the summer training period," it said.
As part of rearming the Pskov Guards Air Assault Division with BMD-4M and BTR-MDM ‘Rakushka’ combat vehicles, a new battalion set of the military hardware has arrived for a battalion of the Guards Black Sea Airborne Assault Regiment named after Alexander Nevsky, the ministry said.
The 14-tonne BMD-4M airborne infantry fighting vehicle is armed with a 100mm cannon that also serves as a launcher for Arkan anti-tank missiles with an ammunition load of 34 rounds and four missiles, a 30mm automatic gun with an ammunition load of 500 rounds and a 7.62mm machine-gun.
The BMD-4M is capable of developing a maximum speed of 70 km/h and moving in the water at a maximum speed of 10 km/h. The combat vehicle has a crew of three and can also transport up to five assault force personnel.
The BTR-MDM ‘Rakushka’ is a Russian armored personnel carrier developed at the Volgograd Tractor Factory. The 13.2-tonne combat vehicle is armed with two machine-guns. It has a crew of two and carry up to 13 assault force personnel. The Rakushka is designated to carry personnel (the assault force), ammunition, spare parts, fuels and lubricants to Airborne Force and marine infantry units.
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