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    Post  Hole on Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:15 am

    In the back of an enemy the would mostly only encounter APC´s and unarmored vehicles. Maintenance and supply troops and so on. And if they meet a heavier opponent, they will hit them with surprise and from behind.

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    In a year or so the VDV will receive the 2S25M1 which will increase their firepower. It won´t fight against an M1 or Leo2 in a duel situation but Bradley/Warrior/Puma would be toast.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:11 pm

    Hole wrote:In the back of an enemy the would mostly only encounter APC´s and unarmored vehicles. Maintenance and supply troops and so on. And if they meet a heavier opponent, they will hit them with surprise and from behind.

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    In a year or so the VDV will receive the 2S25M1 which will increase their firepower. It won´t fight against an M1 or Leo2 in a duel situation but Bradley/Warrior/Puma would be toast.

    With Sprut's mobility it wouldn't have to fight Abrams and Leo2's front-to-front, and remember neither of those vehicles have auto-loaders which means you cant fire on the move, or GLATGM's (from the most part) which means you can't accurately hit highly mobile enemies. Allegedly Leo2's got some LAHATS from Israel, not likely in large quantities because it got them late in their lifespans, but that's beside the point because LAHAT is vulnerable to PPS and Reflex isn't.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:06 am

    In the back of an enemy the would mostly only encounter APC´s and unarmored vehicles. Maintenance and supply troops and so on. And if they meet a heavier opponent, they will hit them with surprise and from behind.

    IF they come across a heavier opponent they have Kornet and other anti armour weapons to deal with the odd enemy heavy.

    In a year or so the VDV will receive the 2S25M1 which will increase their firepower. It won´t fight against an M1 or Leo2 in a duel situation but Bradley/Warrior/Puma would be toast.

    Across many terrain types an Abrams or Leopard would just sink, while the gun of the Sprut is just as powerful as any other 125mm gun and fires the same ammo... and again there is always Kornet or soon Hermes.

    Any enemy positions with front line armour would be bypassed rather than engaged... they experimented with bombs on their Il-76s to allow supporting a landing themselves... a few laser guided 500kg bombs would take out any MBTs near the landing position if needed...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:53 am

    GarryB wrote:
    In the back of an enemy the would mostly only encounter APC´s and unarmored vehicles. Maintenance and supply troops and so on. And if they meet a heavier opponent, they will hit them with surprise and from behind.

    IF they come across a heavier opponent they have Kornet and other anti armour weapons to deal with the odd enemy heavy.

    In a year or so the VDV will receive the 2S25M1 which will increase their firepower. It won´t fight against an M1 or Leo2 in a duel situation but Bradley/Warrior/Puma would be toast.

    Across many terrain types an Abrams or Leopard would just sink, while the gun of the Sprut is just as powerful as any other 125mm gun and fires the same ammo... and again there is always Kornet or soon Hermes.

    Any enemy positions with front line armour would be bypassed rather than engaged... they experimented with bombs on their Il-76s to allow supporting a landing themselves... a few laser guided 500kg bombs would take out any MBTs near the landing position if needed...

    500kg standard bombs is overkill, unless your talking about munitions dispensers.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:20 am

    Could be a 500kg cluster bomb with anti tank submunitions, or sensor fused top attack munitions, but equally their might be a concrete bunker near the target that needs to be sorted out, or a building that contains enemy troops or a command centre that needs to be levelled...

    Or land it between two tanks...
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    Post  Hole on Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:40 am

    If the VDV lands in the near of MBT´s the planning was shit.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:53 pm

    Having it and not needing it is better than needing it and not having it.

    Surprises can always happen... like you lock down a building to rob the place and pretend it is a terrorist attack only to find there is a New York cop there with his wife at christmas time who takes out all your professional european mercenary killers and spoils your plans...

    Or you are just a cook on a ship that is taken over by bad guys like Tommy Lee Jones and it is just you and a really hot cake stripper chick against lots of well armed terrorists... you see what I mean?

    But seriously, the point of armour is mobility so they don't need to be dropped directly on a well protected (from air attack) position, and any strong points between where you land and where you need to take down the enemy can be bypassed. A more suitable force can be sent later to deal with them. Or nuke them from orbit when you find the planet infested with flesh eating chest bursting aliens.

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    Post  ult on Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:26 pm

    Another 31 BMD-4M and 8 BTR-MDM in Pskov.

    3rd Battalion of the 104th Air Assault Regiment.

    https://informpskov.ru/news/295628.html

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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:21 am

    - 104th Guards Airborne Assault Red Banner Regiment of the 76th Guards Airborne Assault Division in Pskov received the second battalion set of new airborne combat vehicles BMD-4M and the BTR-MDM airborne armored personnel carriers Rakushka - the first such set was handed over to 104 th regiment February 6, 2018.

    - At present, five battalion sets of BMD-4M and BTR-MDM [not including the battalion set, transferred on March 14 - bmpd] have been supplied to the Airborne Forces troops.

    In September and December 2016, the first two battalion sets of serial BMD-4M (including one produced in 2015) received the 137th Guards Parachute Regiment of the 106th Guards Airborne Division stationed in Ryazan. In April and August 2017, two battalion sets BMD-4M received the 31st Guards separate assault assault brigade in Ulyanovsk.

    -In addition, in early 2017, the BMD-4M company kit (ten cars) received the 242nd Airborne Training Center in Omsk.

    -Each battalion kit includes 31 BMD-4M, and, presumably, previously 16 BTR-MDM.

    -The first 17 serial BMD-4M and 12 BTR-MDM were delivered to the Ministry of Defense in the first half of 2015. According to known data, they were received by the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School

    -BMD-4M and BTR-MDM were officially adopted by the Armed Forces of Russia in April 2016.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3569975.html

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    Post  DerWolf on Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:47 pm

    What is the level of protection of these 2 vehicle? Do they have Active protection system?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:55 am

    They would be protected from HMG from most angles (14.5mm) and possibly auto cannon rounds from the front... possibly up to 30mm from more than 1,000m or so most likely.

    Their purpose is speed and mobility and fire power in an enemies rear.

    Think of a mission to capture an airfield deep in the enemy rear... the airfield will have serious air defences, but wont be well protected in terms of ground forces, which will have mostly moved up to the front.

    An airborne force like the US or UK or German are not motorised and mostly move by foot, so they would need to land reasonably close to the airfield, which will alert the air field and likely lead to aircraft being shot down.

    An airborne force of the VDV could land 100km away from the airfield.... then mount up in their armoured vehicles and head towards the airfield an attack it with a ground force... the air defences of the air field will be largely useless because western air defence generally doesn't include guns... just missiles, and the ground defence force will likely be rather small and poorly equipped... the overwhelming speed and fire power of the vdv force will quickly over power the base defences and once they have control of the airfield and have neutralised the air defences on the ground they can fly in heavy armour so any attempt to concentrate a ground force or rear area resources to retake the airfield just needs a few hours of repulsing before a decent ground force is accumulated to take the fight to them and start expanding the ground force to take the enemy from behind...

    The weight issue would be the main reason for not making them heavily armoured... a BMD the weight of a Kurganets would rip its parachutes and dig its own grave on landing.

    Conversely in some terrain like soft bog or heavy snow or just deep mud such vehicles would be excellent because the enemy would likely have no working armour at all in such conditions...

    They have modern thermal sights and automated fire control systems, and powerful modern weapons... in comparison UK Paras and American airborne are not so well equipped... the only western comparable vehicles would be the Weisel... which is like a T-26 with a 20mm cannon that is a bit faster than the T-26 was, and the Sheridan, which is very very ordinary and rather less impressive than the BMD-1 let alone the BMD-4M.

    More importantly these western vehicles are individual vehicles... there are no APC/IFV, or other platforms to carry the entire unit together around the place.
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    Post  ult on Fri May 31, 2019 10:59 am

    BMD-4M prices in 2019, including 20% tax - 117 million rubles.

    BTR-MDM - 55 million.

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    62 BMD-4M to be delivered till October 2019 and 70 more till October 2020.
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    Post  calripson on Fri May 31, 2019 4:11 pm

    Is that 62 new deliveries for 2019 or does it include already delivered units?
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    Post  ult on Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:06 am

    Probably. We'll see.
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    Post  dino00 on Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:36 pm

    Armed forces of Russia received 42 airborne combat vehicles BMD-4M

    Last year, Kurganmashzavod was unable to transfer them due to the failure of France in the supply of components

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6659039
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:01 pm

    dino00 wrote:..........
    Last year, Kurganmashzavod was unable to transfer them due to the failure of France in the supply of components

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6659039


    Do do guys think if there will come a day when they alongside rest of the country will muster the strength and courage to remove that juicy over-advertised French cock out of their mouth?
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:30 am

    Well refusal to supply is always a good incentive to create alternatives...

    What is really funny is they are spending all this time finding things they can use to hurt the Russians, but eventually when they realise they are only hurting themselves and they drop the sanctions the Russians will already have replaced their products, and while the Russians will be quick to drop their own sanctions that were imposed in response... it will be interesting to see what happens.

    Before the sanctions the EU basically supplied food to Russia, agriculture was weak in Russia and with cheap food coming from the EU it was really not likely to change unless the Russian government helped and that would raise complaints about subsidies and bad commercial practises and all that crap.

    With the sanctions and government support Russia now produces a lot of food and exports it now too so when the sanctions come off there will not be the same big open market with little local competition in Russia anymore... and of course with these growing Russian agriculture companies with the sanctions gone they might start looking to the large EU market for selling their goods for bigger profits... the rouble is low and the Euro is valuable... that is going to be very serious competition for EU growers, while opening up access to the Russian market where they will also compete with Russian producers too with their low costs and cheap currency.

    For Thales and military equipment providers the problem is going to be similar... Russian companies have the advantage of lower costs and the risk of future sanctions that could be imposed for any reason at all... Russia wont buy French ships any more... when Russian companies have made advances in optics and thermal night vision equipment as well as new radar technology... why would they consider working with french or any other EU company again?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:15 am

    the part in question is France's refusal to supply the thermal imaging matrices.  So in other words, Russia is forced to use their own thermal matrices developed by NPO Orion.

    Last year in Sept, I posted a link about how Borisov has explained that they completely replaced France's Sapsan Thermal imager matrix with Russian one. TPK-K replaces replaces ESSA system.

    Here is Rostec's purchase order:

    https://rt-ci.ru/purchase_information/?id=130900

    Here is the photodetector in question:

    http://orion-ir.ru/production/opticheskie-elementy/matrichnyy-fotopriemnyy-modul-na-osnove-okhlazhdaemoy-matritsy-fotodiodov-iz-antimonida-indiya-fem18m-03/


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