The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

Cowboy's daughter wrote:
Yes. In Texas, it's always been a Texas accent.

But my Dad pronounced some words such as "paints" for pants, "aig" for egg, and "bum" for bomb, & those pronunciations came out of Southern East coastal area. Virginia area maybe. It has a certain name, but I can't remember it right now. -- pronunciation passed down from generation to generation.

and I knew a woman, about my Dad's age, who said "mawning" for morning, and that came out of Mississippi or Alabama.

Probably not as much as in my Dad's generation.

I picked up a favorite Mexican slang word: "chingaletta", which was slang for whatever you wanted to call something, if you didn't know the name. . "Hand me that chingaletta." & later realized chinga  is basically like the word f***.  
So I had to drop that one. & I love that word. It just rolls off of the tongue.  

Anglos pick up Mexican words, especially if they're friends with,  date, or marry a Mexican.

Like one pronounced Ah eey ho, which means something like "Oh shit!"     as best as I remember.

& others..

I know I pronounce words like I have a mouth full of molasses. & we drop the last letter on words. goin', leavin', stayin',

When I moved to my current HOR in Florida some 30 years ago I bought a house in the historic district and at that time the district was full of sweet little old Southern Ladies who kept the old ways going within reason. They spoke in a cultured Southern Accent, very soft and gentle but like you say, my Lady, they dropped the last letter of the words in general. For some reason a lot of the old dears liked me and when I was in country I was often dragooned to their dinners. It was like stepping back 100 years, the servants, the old ladies in their finest, a few of the surviving old gentlemen dressed to the 9's and little old me, also cleaned up and walking on my hind legs. I do speak the cultured dialect well when needed, perhaps that is why the old gals liked me so much, that and I used the by modern standards archaic politeness. To this day I would never dream of addressing Mrs. Easterday up the street from my house as anything but Misz' Easterday, it just wasn't done, just as she would never address me in any way other than my rank and last name. Sadly many of them are now gone, the houses often sold after an 'estate sale' where their descendent's sold off all the hundred and more year old furniture and baubles for a pittance and dumped the house at below market. Figures.

I'm heading 'home' next month, got to get a new passport. Since the phat putz up north says we are still in orcland, guess he hasn't seen a pic of the flags flying in this AO, I can't get the passport done there and I can't go to orcland to get it for obvious reasons so I've got to return 'home'. I'll tie up the remaining odds and ends and this pilgrimage will probably be the last time I darken their doors. Misz Easterday is still with us and we have kept in contact the old way, by letter. I am expected to dinner a few days after I arrive. Methinks it will be grand as always.

Mr.Comrade wrote:Video of the most devastating victims of this war, the children. This is a very emotional video

Now you know why we down here in the South would have fought them and their masters to the bitter end. They'll not do that to our children, our pensioners, our women, our towns, cities and villages. That is why the orc troops did not move from their lagers, not even their vaunted 'spetznaz' in Feodosya. They knew we would kill them, they were told very clearly so.

auslander wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:
Yes. In Texas, it's always been a Texas accent.

But my Dad pronounced some words such as "paints" for pants, "aig" for egg, and "bum" for bomb, & those pronunciations came out of Southern East coastal area. Virginia area maybe. It has a certain name, but I can't remember it right now. -- pronunciation passed down from generation to generation.

and I knew a woman, about my Dad's age, who said "mawning" for morning, and that came out of Mississippi or Alabama.

Probably not as much as in my Dad's generation.

I picked up a favorite Mexican slang word: "chingaletta", which was slang for whatever you wanted to call something, if you didn't know the name. . "Hand me that chingaletta." & later realized chinga  is basically like the word f***.  
So I had to drop that one. & I love that word. It just rolls off of the tongue.  

Anglos pick up Mexican words, especially if they're friends with,  date, or marry a Mexican.

Like one pronounced Ah eey ho, which means something like "Oh shit!"     as best as I remember.

& others..

I know I pronounce words like I have a mouth full of molasses. & we drop the last letter on words. goin', leavin', stayin',

When I moved to my current HOR in Florida some 30 years ago I bought a house in the historic district and at that time the district was full of sweet little old Southern Ladies who kept the old ways going within reason. They spoke in a cultured Southern Accent, very soft and gentle but like you say, my Lady, they dropped the last letter of the words in general. For some reason a lot of the old dears liked me and when I was in country I was often dragooned to their dinners. It was like stepping back 100 years, the servants, the old ladies in their finest, a few of the surviving old gentlemen dressed to the 9's and little old me, also cleaned up and walking on my hind legs. I do speak the cultured dialect well when needed, perhaps that is why the old gals liked me so much, that and I used the by modern standards archaic politeness. To this day I would never dream of addressing Mrs. Easterday up the street from my house as anything but Misz' Easterday, it just wasn't done, just as she would never address me in any way other than my rank and last name. Sadly many of them are now gone, the houses often sold after an 'estate sale' where their descendent's sold off all the hundred and more year old furniture and baubles for a pittance and dumped the house at below market. Figures.

I'm heading 'home' next month, got to get a new passport. Since the phat putz up north says we are still in orcland, guess he hasn't seen a pic of the flags flying in this AO, I can't get the passport done there and I can't go to orcland to get it for obvious reasons so I've got to return 'home'. I'll tie up the remaining odds and ends and this pilgrimage will probably be the last time I darken their doors. Misz Easterday is still with us and we have kept in contact the old way, by letter. I am expected to dinner a few days after I arrive. Methinks it will be grand as always.

Yes. When I was growing up, it was "Yes Mam; No Mam; Yes Sir; No Sir", and my Grandfather called my mother "Mrs. lastname", and my Mother called him "Mr. lastname". I've seen spouses call each other the same, in public anyway. No disrespecting your elders, men stood in the presence of women, removed their hats, & archaic politeness still remains in Texas, especially with men of my generation.

On Tuesday, Poroshenko announced that Ukraine and NATO had signed a joint declaration on strengthening defense and technical cooperation, as well as a roadmap for a partnership between Ukraine and NATO on strategic communications. The program is aimed at supporting Kiev in counteracting “Russian propaganda” and informing the society on what’s happening in Ukraine, Interfax reported.

The North-Atlantic alliance is also ready to discuss how it can boost Kiev’s military, particularly by potentially providing aid in restoring its naval forces, RIA Novosti reported, citing NATO’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. The NATO official also said that the Alliance is providing advisors to Ukraine’s defense ministry and army general staff, according to TASS.

http://www.rt.com/news/316237-poroshenko-ukraine-nato-outpost/

NATO inching it's way into Ukraine.

Erk wrote:

On Tuesday, Poroshenko announced that Ukraine and NATO had signed a joint declaration on strengthening defense and technical cooperation, as well as a roadmap for a partnership between Ukraine and NATO on strategic communications. The program is aimed at supporting Kiev in counteracting “Russian propaganda” and informing the society on what’s happening in Ukraine, Interfax reported.

The North-Atlantic alliance is also ready to discuss how it can boost Kiev’s military, particularly by potentially providing aid in restoring its naval forces, RIA Novosti reported, citing NATO’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. The NATO official also said that the Alliance is providing advisors to Ukraine’s defense ministry and army general staff, according to TASS.

http://www.rt.com/news/316237-poroshenko-ukraine-nato-outpost/

NATO inching it's way into Ukraine.

Time to break up Ukraine into pieces, this cannot wait.

Erk wrote:

On Tuesday, Poroshenko announced that Ukraine and NATO had signed a joint declaration on strengthening defense and technical cooperation, as well as a roadmap for a partnership between Ukraine and NATO on strategic communications. The program is aimed at supporting Kiev in counteracting “Russian propaganda” and informing the society on what’s happening in Ukraine, Interfax reported.

The North-Atlantic alliance is also ready to discuss how it can boost Kiev’s military, particularly by potentially providing aid in restoring its naval forces, RIA Novosti reported, citing NATO’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. The NATO official also said that the Alliance is providing advisors to Ukraine’s defense ministry and army general staff, according to TASS.

http://www.rt.com/news/316237-poroshenko-ukraine-nato-outpost/

NATO inching it's way into Ukraine.

I figured there was a reason Stoltenberg was in 404 and now we know why. NATO will set up bases in a non member area as they steadily creep towards the borders of RF and defacto make 404 a member. This is not a good event for sure.

Sepheronx is right. Ukraine is not and will not be a NATO member while Ukraine has internal issues. This is why Russia want not an official seccession of Novorrussia from Ukraine. While Ukraine has not full control of their nominal territory, Ukraine is done with the NATO and the EU.

In fact this is only propaganda because no-one will give enough money to Ukraine to restore their Naval Forces. Ukraine has enough work triying to restore their land forces equipment.

sepheronx wrote:Nato cannot accept a member whom has issues with its own territories, hence why Russia is wanting Novorussia to stay part of Ukraine as that very method. Ukraine has territorial issues, and if not, Novorussia will also act as a thorn for nato integration of Ukraine.

All these agreements being signed and what not are the same BS done during USchenko's time in power. I remember it quite clearly.  Only way they can get Ukraine in, is by breaking their own laws in this case, and would cause a shitstorm in the alliance as no one wants to get directly involved in the conflict.

It is all fondling each other as a way for nato to show Ukraine that they are not forgotten about, even though not much they can do.

I disagree, this will lead to permanent 'training bases' in 404 first, then they will quietly, I would say before year's end, make the bases just that, NATO military bases in orcland to 'defend the training cadre'. One has to give NATO/US credit for their never ending resourcefulness in getting around the rules to do what they want to do.

sepheronx wrote:Nato cannot accept a member whom has issues with its own territories, hence why Russia is wanting Novorussia to stay part of Ukraine as that very method. Ukraine has territorial issues, and if not, Novorussia will also act as a thorn for nato integration of Ukraine.

All these agreements being signed and what not are the same BS done during USchenko's time in power. I remember it quite clearly.  Only way they can get Ukraine in, is by breaking their own laws in this case, and would cause a shitstorm in the alliance as no one wants to get directly involved in the conflict.

It is all fondling each other as a way for nato to show Ukraine that they are not forgotten about, even though not much they can do.

The article I quoted was about NATO providing aid to Ukraine, not membership.

Erk wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Nato cannot accept a member whom has issues with its own territories, hence why Russia is wanting Novorussia to stay part of Ukraine as that very method. Ukraine has territorial issues, and if not, Novorussia will also act as a thorn for nato integration of Ukraine.

All these agreements being signed and what not are the same BS done during USchenko's time in power. I remember it quite clearly.  Only way they can get Ukraine in, is by breaking their own laws in this case, and would cause a shitstorm in the alliance as no one wants to get directly involved in the conflict.

It is all fondling each other as a way for nato to show Ukraine that they are not forgotten about, even though not much they can do.

The article I quoted was about NATO providing aid to Ukraine, not membership.

Legendary NATO aid, we all seen results back in Debaltsevo...

Sepheronx is 100% right. The moment some NATO clown starts to even theoretically consider actually setting up anything in 404 entire Donbass will turn into Kursk in less than 6 hours.

PapaDragon wrote:Legendary NATO aid, we all seen results back in Debaltsevo...

Sepheronx is 100% right. The moment some NATO clown starts to even theoretically consider actually setting up anything in 404 entire Donbass will turn into Kursk in less than 6 hours.

We can see how Afghan and Irak armed forces rejected NATO standard, and the U.S. had to bough Russian weapons to provide them

Any sane militarymen who experienced Russian-style weapons will surely say a NO to NATO standard.

At least 200 people wearing camouflage and masks stormed the local administration building in the city of Kharkov, eastern Ukraine, local media said. The perpetrators are alleged to be members of the radical Azov battalion.

The masked men reportedly clashed with police and security forces at the city’s administration building. Those who have entered the building have also reportedly used tear gas, the Ukrainian 112 channel is saying.

The masked activists were seen holding flags with the insignia of the radical Azov Battalion, which is accused of committing numerous human rights violations in Eastern Ukraine, according to international watchdogs.

http://www.rt.com/news/316266-masked-men-storm-kharkov/

Yeah, Kyiv declared that it won't pay the debt anymore... but not apply to Russian debt      

http://www.rt.com/business/316280-ukraine-debt-payment-default/

Ukraine says it will halt paying off its external debt on Wednesday, facing the risk of a technical default. The list of non-payments doesn’t include the $3 billion owed to Russia. The debt to Moscow is due in December which Russia has insisted it wants in full.

According to a document published on the website of the Ukrainian government, the restructuring applies to the $3 billion Eurobonds purchased by Russia. However, payments on them have not been suspended.

The list included seven issues of Ukrainian government bonds.

"We are talking about restructuring $15 billion, agreed by 13 of 14 Ukrainian creditors. Russia didn’t accept the haircut and, therefore, its $3 billion is not included,” said an expert polled by Russian business daily Kommersant.

''Ukraine Likely to Face Civil War in West of the Country - German Media''

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150923/1027393780.html





''Ukrainian Journalist Resigns, Joins Independence Supporters''

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150923/1027390043.html

sepheronx wrote:Donetsk republic to withdraw from Minsk peace deal if Kiev attempts to join NATO — leader
http://tass.ru/en/world/823159

Does this also mean same for Lugansk as well? Cause that territory seems quiet as of late but I bet they are not eager about NATO as well.

But this does confirm my predictions if NATO is attempted in Ukraine.

I suspect that if they try to induct Ukraine in to NATO fully, you may very well see the civil war spread to Kharkov, Mariupol, and eventually towards Odessa. If NATO wants to induct Ukraine, they'll have to induct a country that's land-locked, with no ports. But then Ukraine may very well disintegrate before it's ever inducted....Nothing will be more ironic than a NATO puppet state experiencing Balkanization!

sepheronx wrote:That is why NATO is not acting quick.  They know it can get much worst.

I stand by my prediction. NATO/US were not successful with Krim and Sevastopol but they will not stop, they want to ring Russia with bases and if needs be they will keep the populace of 404 under control one way or another for the safety of their coming bases. There are already some NATO, read US, advisors down to rota level with certain orc units and they've been extant since before the Debaltsyevo Debacle. The half day stand down during the Debaltsyevo assault was to let them leave, them and some other EU types who should not have been there. They were allowed to leave the cauldron with the clothes on their backs and their automat, absolutely nothing else, hence the brand new radar tracking devices left in place, cased. No big deal on that, rumor has it that Mother already had some but I would bet a few someones got a thumbs down in their next FitRep.

NATO will pull the mission creep gig until they have what they want in 404 and it won't take them long to do it, I would say before Christmas 404 will have a much more considerable presence than they have now and now is not small.