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    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:31 am

    They have Su-30. Su-34 is pointless.

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    Post  ricky123 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:38 am

    TR1 wrote:They have Su-30. Su-34 is pointless.
    But Su30 is more of a Air superiority fighter no , which india already has a lot of them .MMRCA needed AC with Good A2G capabilities .i know Mig29 and Su30 also does A2G but Su34 has more Range and also has good A2A

    I am not a expert so i am just asking Embarassed

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    Post  ricky123 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:40 am

    also to ADD the Aircheif has said Rafale cannot be replaced by Su30mki cuz thier Roles are different . i thinking he was talking about the A2G capabilities that india needs right now .

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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:58 am

    TR1 wrote:They have Su-30. Su-34 is pointless.

    Having multirole fighters makes getting dedicated tactical bombers pointless?

    Quick, someone tell the Russian AF..

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:06 am

    No comparison there- Russia produces both types domestically.

    India has spent much energy, effort and money setting up domestic Su-30 production.

    Su-34 does not offer nearly enough that India needs and that Su-30 cannot do itself, to justify complicating the fleet inventory so needlessly, not to mention spending the money to buy abroad.

    Plus, I have not heard of any serious Indian interest in the Su-34, and for good reason. It compromises its A2A role significantly for the gains as a bomber, and such would make no sense as a Rafale replacement.

    Su-30 can carry a larger payload, farther than the Rafale can in any case.
    Super-30 upgrade is overhauling the defensive suit entirely as well.

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    Post  medo on Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:27 am

    Su-30MKI with Litening targeting pod is no worse in A2G role than Rafale.

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    Post  ricky123 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:03 pm

    TR1 wrote:No comparison there- Russia produces both types domestically.

    India has spent much energy, effort and money setting up domestic Su-30 production.

    Su-34 does not offer nearly enough that India needs and that Su-30 cannot do itself, to justify complicating the fleet inventory so needlessly, not to mention spending the money to buy abroad.

    Plus, I have not heard of any serious Indian interest in the Su-34, and for good reason. It compromises its A2A role significantly for the gains as a bomber, and such would make no sense as a Rafale replacement.

    Su-30 can carry a larger payload, farther than the Rafale can in any case.
    Super-30 upgrade is overhauling the defensive suit entirely as well.

    Shiv aroor a Prominent journalist in his recent tweet confirmed that Russia indeed has offered Sukhoi-35 to India in case negotiation with France to purchase Dassault made Rafale fails to materialise before deadline. While he was able to confirm Russia’s offer but still there is no clarity about recent comments made by Rostec CEO Sergey Chemezov that India and Russia have agreed to jointly build 5th-generation fighter aircraft based on Su-35.

    Deal or no deal on purchase of Rafale, Induction of additional air superiority aircrafts will not be easy for Indian air force since they will not be able to fill the gap left by failure to procure aircrafts under MMRCA requirements, which had asked for multi-role capable aircrafts. Indian air force chief in recently concluded Aero India air show made it clear that he want MMRCA aircrafts and it doesn’t have to be Rafale but certainly not additional Su-30 aircrafts. Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had said few months back that if Rafale deal doesn’t materialise there is always option to go for an upgraded Su-30 aircraft which can fulfill the requirements of Indian air force, what he basically meant was that Sukhoi-30 can be further optimized in its strike capability.

    With FGFA  already in the pipeline and Su-30 already in the fleet, induction of another Air superiority fighter aircraft will make Indian air force heavily tilted towards “Air superiority” roles and will diminish its strike attack capability . In case India decides to Induct another fighter aircraft from Sukhoi family rather then additional Su-30, it could be wise to actually induct Su-34 Strike bomber aircraft then Su-35. Case for Su-34 should be considered since IAF will be putting half of its Mig-27 strike aircrafts fleet in Reserve from this year on wards and in next 5 years remaining fleet will be pulled out of active duties and Jaguars will be only Strike aircrafts which will be left in the fleet.

    MMRCA contract  heavily favored Strike attack capability of aircrafts over Air superiority roles, in fact MMRCA requirement were born after current strike aircrafts (Jaguar and Mig-27) were found not suitable to carry out surgical strikes in high mountain terrain of Kargil sector in Kargil war with Pakistan, While Point defence aircrafts like Mig-21, when used against target in high mountains, failed to make any impact. It was Mirage-2000 aircrafts which came in handy to take out the target in difficult terrain. MMRCA requirements favoured aircraft with multi-role capability and scored high on strike capability of the aircraft.

    Su-34 is primarily designed for tactical operation against mobile and ground targets; aircraft has entirely new nose and forward fuselage giving it a distinctive look apart from Sukhoi-27/30 family. Aircraft also shares wing structure, tail, engine nacelles and canards with Su-30 family is also powered by same AL-31 engines. With 12 hard points, it can carry 12000 kgs of ordnance. With the help of front and rear mounted radars aircraft can fire R-73 missile from behind towards any chasing enemy aircraft without entering into a dogfight or turning the aircraft providing it enough self-protecting weapons suite and ability to multirole while still been in enemy airspace. Advantage of Su-34 over Su-35 is that aircraft is already in large scale production and eventually will replace close to 300 Su-24 ground attack aircrafts, while Su-35 along with Pak-Fa and Su-30SM will be inducted in equal numbers meaning smaller production runs of each aircraft types, making them more expensive .


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    Post  RTN on Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:02 pm

    TR1 wrote:They have Su-30. Su-34 is pointless.

    Su 30 or Su 34 does not have a terrain following radar. The BARS ( in the SU 30) cannot even as yet do weather-mapping.

    http://www.niip.ru/eng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8:2011-07-18-12-25-58&catid=8:2011-07-06-06-33-26&Itemid=8

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    Post  RTN on Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:06 pm

    RTN wrote:
    TR1 wrote:They have Su-30. Su-34 is pointless.

    Su 30 or Su 34 does not have a terrain following radar. The BARS ( in the SU 30) cannot even as yet do weather-mapping.

    http://www.niip.ru/eng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8:2011-07-18-12-25-58&catid=8:2011-07-06-06-33-26&Itemid=8

    This is why I suspect the Indians need the Rafale or an equivalent fighter. The RBE2 is by far the most advanced radar available in Europe.

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    Post  ricky123 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:11 pm

    RTN wrote:
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    TR1 wrote:They have Su-30. Su-34 is pointless.

    Su 30 or Su 34 does not have a terrain following radar. The BARS ( in the SU 30) cannot even as yet do weather-mapping.

    http://www.niip.ru/eng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8:2011-07-18-12-25-58&catid=8:2011-07-06-06-33-26&Itemid=8

    This is why I suspect the Indians need the Rafale or an equivalent fighter. The RBE2 is by far the most advanced radar available in Europe.

    somehow i find it hard to beleave . anyways the upgrade Su30s could have that feature no ? and even Su34 is selected india will modify it to suit its needs and maybe put some israeli tech in them

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    Post  RTN on Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:34 pm

    ricky123 wrote:somehow i find it hard to beleave .

    You find it hard to believe the manufacturer.... well that's your problem.


    ricky123 wrote:anyways the upgrade Su30s could have that feature no ?

    If upgrading Su-30 would have been the answer then why do you think the Indian AF still wants a MMRCA?


    ricky123 wrote:and even Su34 is selected india will modify it to suit its needs and maybe put some israeli tech in them

    Therefore, does it not make more sense to purchase an aircraft that already has all the features that the Air Force needs?

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:24 pm

    RTN wrote:
    TR1 wrote:They have Su-30. Su-34 is pointless.

    Su 30 or Su 34 does not have a terrain following radar. The BARS ( in the SU 30) cannot even as yet do weather-mapping.

    http://www.niip.ru/eng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8:2011-07-18-12-25-58&catid=8:2011-07-06-06-33-26&Itemid=8

    lol. Su-34 certainly has terrain following.

    And your link does not work.

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    Post  RTN on Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:19 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    lol. Su-34 certainly has terrain following.

    Su 30 certainly doesn't have a terrain following radar. Can you provide any images of a terrain following radar on the Su 34?

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:45 pm

    RTN wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    lol. Su-34 certainly has terrain following.

    Su 30 certainly doesn't have a terrain following radar. Can you provide any images of a terrain following radar on the Su 34?

    It's nose mounted Radar V004 is terrain following.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:53 pm

    Literally every source lists it as terrain following too.

    Christ, even Su-24 had terrain following in its modernized forms, if a more rudimentary type.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:58 pm

    And btw, even N-011 (not even N-011M with the phased array) had terrain following and avoidance modes programed in.

    So yes, Bars can do it as well.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:50 am

    Su 30 certainly doesn't have a terrain following radar. Can you provide any images of a terrain following radar on the Su 34?

    Terrain following is a radar mode... you don't need a specialised radar to perform that function.

    On the Su-24 there is a separate dedicated terrain following radar to scan the terrain ahead of the aircraft, with a separate air search radar to allow simultaneous terrain following flight while still allowing the detection and tracking of air targets.

    With a modern PESA or AESA you can can task radar elements to specific tasks where the radar elements along the lower front of the radar operate in a frequency and beam shape ideal for terrain mapping, while the middle and upper radar elements can be tasked with scanning for air targets.

    Infact with the electronic scanning you could interweave the frequency modulation and scan for both aerial targets including those below your own height and also scan the terrain ahead.


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    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:47 pm

    Deep upgraded Russian MiG-29 of Indian Air Force took to the air


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    Indian military attack heliopters: Present and Future

    Post  aksha on Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:59 am






    Indian Light Combat Copter Goes Through Cold Tests






    http://www.livefistdefence.com/2015/03/indian-light-combat-copter-goes-through.html

    Cold weather trials of India's Light Combat Helicopter were carried out at Air Force Station, Leh early last month. “The trials covered engine starts with internal batteries after overnight cold soak at 3 km altitude and 4.1 km altitude”, HAL chairman T. Suvarna Raju has said in a statement. The engine starts were satisfactory in the temperature of minus 18 degree C at 4.1 km, the flights were also carried out to assess high altitude performance and low speed handling, the statement said.

    The LCH prototype, TD2 was ferried from Bangalore to Leh and the flight trials were carried out involving customer pilots from Air Force and Army and with the participation of representatives from RCMA (H/c) and DGAQA (H/c).
    “Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) Technology Demonstrator TD-3 made its maiden flight in November last year and the TD-4 is likely to fly soon. The IOC is expected in the later part of this year and to achieve this we are concentrating on building more prototypes and increase the number of flights to reduce the lead-time for IOC”, Raju said.



    Light Combat Helicopter clears critical hot weather trials
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    Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) on Friday said that its home-grown Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) completed hot weather trials.

    The one-week long trials were held at Jodhpur measuring a series of parameters. HAL Chairman T Suvarna Raju told OneIndia that the trials were crucial as the programme is inching towards Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) phase.

    Interestingly, during the tests, expert pilots from the Indian Air Force and the Indian Army were present. Representatives of certification teams were also present.

    “The test flights were carried out in the temperature range of 39 to 42 degree Celsius,” says Raju. HAL says the third technology demonstrator (TD-3) of LCH, 3 was ferried from Bengaluru to Jodhpur for the trials.


    Following are some of the key features tested during the trials ::
    * Temperature survey of engine bay
    * Temperature survey of hydraulic system
    * Assessment of performance of helicopter
    * Verifying the handling qualities and loads at different AUWs (all up weights)
    * Checking low-speed handling capabilities
    * Capturing the height-velocity diagram establishment

    As reported by OneIndia earlier, the LCH had completed cold weather flight testing at Leh in February this year. The chopper was HAL’s star attraction during Aero India 2015.

    HAL claims that the chopper would receive its IOC by end of this year and subsequently enter series production. HAL has also set aside Rs 126 crore for the fourth sibling of LCH (TD-4) to propel the testing phase.


    Some of the key LCH features ::
    * A twin- engine with in the 5.8-ton class
    * Powered by two Shakti engine
    * Can carry out dedicated combat roles
    * Best suited for air defence, anti-tank roles
    * Perfect for combat search and rescue missions
    * Loaded with advanced military technology features
    * Narrow fuselage with tandem seating configuration
    * Incorporates a number of stealth features
    * Crashworthy landing gear
    * Armour protection for better survivability


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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:44 am

    Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft to be upgraded with multi-function displays


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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:30 am

    India will extend the operation of the MiG-21 to 2020


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:41 am

    George1 wrote:Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft to be upgraded with multi-function displays

    India will extend the operation of the MiG-21 to 2020[/b]

    What!!....so they blew all there MMRCA money on those few stupid Rafales and now they're upgrading there Mig-21s and France after getting the deal finally "allows" India to upgrade there Mirage fighters, WTF!!!! Mad Suspect

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    India undertaking major rejig of fighter induction to meet threats from Pak, China

    Post  Pinto on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:38 am

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-undertaking-major-rejig-of-fighter-induction-to-meet-threats-from-Pak-China/articleshow/49212314.cms?from=mdr

    NEW DELHI: With China "exponentially" ramping up its air combat operations in the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR), even as Pakistan expands and upgrades its F-16 fleet, India is going in for a major rejig of its fighter induction and serviceability plans to be ready for any individual or collusive threat in the years ahead.

    IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha on Saturday said several plans were under way for induction and deployment of "potent assets" as well as infrastructure development along the borders, even though he admitted China was developing "tremendous" military capabilities at a very rapid clip.

    As for Pakistan, on being asked if IAF could take out the terror camps across the border if required, ACM Raha said his force had the requisite "capability" but the "intent" or "decision" to undertake such surgical strikes "is a political one".

    "We are not looking at one-front or two-front war. We just want capabilities to deter a war and project power in our area of strategic interest. We are looking at building our fighter combat squadrons to 42 by 2027," said ACM Raha.

    Towards this, the IAF chief said he expected the contract for the direct acquisition of 36 French Rafale fighters - which was decided during the Modi-Hollande summit in April -- to be inked before the end of this year.






    But IAF is down to just 35 fighter squadrons, which includes a mix of obsolete jets like MiG-21s and MiG-27s being progressively retired as well as new fighters like Sukhoi-30MKIs grappling with poor serviceability rates. Just two new squadrons of Rafales, expected to cost around $5 billion, will not make up the desperately-required numbers.

    "As IAF chief, I would certainly want more...at least six MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) squadrons, whether they are Rafales or some other alternative. But they have to be viable in terms of costs, transfer of technology and the Make in India policy. The government will decide in due course," said ACM Raha.

    Concurrently, the stress now in on "improving" the indigenous Tejas Mark-I fighter and then jumping straight onto the development of the indigenous fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) or AMCA (advanced medium combat aircraft) by junking the development of a Tejas Mark-II.

    As was first reported by TOI, with the preliminary design work for the twin-engine AMCA over, the aim is to fly its first prototype by 2023-2024. It will combine advanced stealth, super-cruise (capability to achieve supersonic cruise speeds without use of afterburners), super-maneuverability, data fusion and multi-sensor integration on a single fighter.

    The thrust on AMCA, of course, also puts a big question mark on the future of the proposed joint project with Russia to co-develop and co-produce a FGFA modelled on its Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA.

    Apart from long-term strategic and economic reasons behind the push for the indigenous AMCA, India is not happy with the technical, cost and delivery timeframes bedeviling the Russian FGFA. The PAK-FA, for instance, can still not super-cruise, which is critical for the capability to "look first and shoot first".

    "But the "issues" in the Indo-Russian FGFA project are being "addressed at the highest levels" now. India is keeping all options open ahead of PM Narendra Modi's visit to Moscow in December, which range from an off-the-shelf purchase of 60-65 fighters to undertaking the joint production envisaged earlier.

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    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:57 am

    Times of India wrote:The thrust on AMCA, of course, also puts a big question mark on the future of the proposed joint project with Russia to co-develop and co-produce a FGFA modelled on its Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA.

    Apart from long-term strategic and economic reasons behind the push for the indigenous AMCA, India is not happy with the technical, cost and delivery timeframes bedeviling the Russian FGFA. The PAK-FA, for instance, can still not super-cruise, which is critical for the capability to "look first and shoot first".

    "But the "issues" in the Indo-Russian FGFA project are being "addressed at the highest levels" now. India is keeping all options open ahead of PM Narendra Modi's visit to Moscow in December, which range from an off-the-shelf purchase of 60-65 fighters to undertaking the joint production envisaged earlier.

    Why did the newspaper claimed that T-50 cannot supercruise ? Shocked Shocked

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    Post  Pinto on Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:18 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Times of India wrote:The thrust on AMCA, of course, also puts a big question mark on the future of the proposed joint project with Russia to co-develop and co-produce a FGFA modelled on its Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA.

    Apart from long-term strategic and economic reasons behind the push for the indigenous AMCA, India is not happy with the technical, cost and delivery timeframes bedeviling the Russian FGFA. The PAK-FA, for instance, can still not super-cruise, which is critical for the capability to "look first and shoot first".

    "But the "issues" in the Indo-Russian FGFA project are being "addressed at the highest levels" now. India is keeping all options open ahead of PM Narendra Modi's visit to Moscow in December, which range from an off-the-shelf purchase of 60-65 fighters to undertaking the joint production envisaged earlier.

    Why did the newspaper claimed that T-50 cannot supercruise ? Shocked Shocked

    Lol i too was about to ask this here about the super cruise capability claims of Indian media regarding this newspaper

    Hopefully off the shelf buy deal of this aircraft will be finalized in the coming dec. and rest can be negotiated later as per IAF specfications

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