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    Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:26 pm

    Russia to draft 320,000 conscripts in fall 2009 - General Staff
    RIA Novosti

    16:1321/07/2009 MOSCOW, July 21 (RIA Novosti) - About 320,000 young men are to be drafted into the Russian Armed Forces in the fall of 2009, a deputy chief of the General Staff said on Tuesday.

    "According to our estimates, about 320,000 people will be conscripted into the Russian Armed Forces this fall," Col. Gen. Vasily Smirnov said.

    Only 133,000 conscripts joined the armed forces during the spring draft, and about 219,000 people were drafted in last year's fall.

    The general said the higher number of conscripts was due to the reduction of officer ranks, the scrapping the rank of warrant officers and cuts to contract personnel.

    As of January 1, 2009, the Russian Armed Forces numbered 355,000 officers and 140,000 warrant officers.

    "By the end of 2009, we will have 150,000 officers, all warrant officers will have been discharged or absorbed into other ranks, and we will have less contracted personnel," Smirnov said.

    "Therefore, we will have to draft over 300,000 people," he said.

    The current military reforms in Russia will see personnel cut to 1 million by 2012 from 1.34 million.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:23 pm

    We need more men under the kontrakt. The draft has been reduced to 12 months so people recieving traning will just hit the streets after all that money spent on them. Time to increase wages. The current increases are hardly keeping with inflation.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Vladislav on Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:45 am

    You actually support closure of conscription? You know what happens when we can't draft? When the Chinese come rolling in here we might as well just hand them the country.

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    Defense Ministry - conscripts news:

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:37 am

    Conscripts in the Russian armed forces will have a five-day working week and civil workers will be hired to cook food and clean, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said.
    Following a series of incidents involving the deaths of military conscripts in the past few years, Russian authorities have moved to boost the safety of servicemen and improve the military's image.
    "We want to introduce a five-day schedule in which a conscript undergoes physical training and combat drills and masters the use of the arms and equipment assigned to him. Saturday and Sunday will be days off," the minister said on Tuesday.
    He said that cooks and cleaners will be employed to free soldiers from tasks unrelated to military service.
    All Russian men between the ages of 18 and 27 are obliged by law to undertake one year of military service, but reports of military hazing and harsh conditions encourage people to evade conscription by bribing military officials and doctors for medical exemption certificates.
    MOSCOW, April 21 (RIA Novosti)

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    Good move, as there is more for these people to do, the less time and energy they will have to play stupid games.

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    Defense Ministry claims 'misquoted' over order to withhold pay

    Post  Russian Patriot on Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:05 pm

    Defense Ministry claims 'misquoted' over order to withhold pay

    RIA Novosti

    15:47 19/10/2011 MOSCOW, October 19 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Defense Ministry has dismissed media reports, claiming the Defense Minister had instructed it to deprive contract servicemen of their pay, as “misquoted” and “taken out of context.”

    Local media had published copies of documents on the internet in which Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov instructed his ministry “not to pay cash allowances to contract servicemen enrolled…for less than six months.” The move “aims to save money from the federal budget and control the reduction of the number of servicemen,” the documents said.

    The instruction, if genuine, would have left tens of thousands of contract servicemen in poverty.

    A new order, apparently rescinding Serdyukov's previous statement, was put on the internet on October 18.

    “Minister Serdyukov’s instructions… were taken out of context,” a Defense Ministry source told RIA Novosti.

    “No one is going to deprive contract servicemen of their money,” the source added.

    The Russian armed forces are undergoing a gradual transition from a conscript based system to a professional system. The move has met with some resistance from some commanders, and has suffered from a lack of adequate funding.


    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2011/russia-111019-rianovosti01.htm

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:34 pm

    They keep talking about spending 20 trillion roubles to modernise the forces, they don't pay the orders and now they don't want to pay the contracters. Lets just scrap the whole fucking thing!! angry angry angry

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:39 am

    Is it just me or is the modern media pretty rubbish at its job?

    There was a time when reporters took pride in their work and sniffing out real stories, but these days they seem to just copy and paste and make stuff up.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:02 pm

    Sensationalism rules.

    The Russian media is roughly divided in 3 camps each with their own agenda:

    1. The state backed media with a pro government bias, emphasising their achievements.
    2. The so called "liberast" media
    3. The ex-communist and right wing nationalist media

    The ones under 2 and 3 even though nominal opponents, will exaggerate, twist the facts or even out right lie about anything as long as it discredits the government. A lot of the more popular media outlets often publicise their commentators with the "sky is falling" stories....just like the moderators in this forum Cool

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:16 am

    A lot of the more popular media outlets often publicise their commentators with the "sky is falling" stories....just like the moderators in this forum

    Hey... you are supposed to suck up to us moderators... when was the last time I was negative about the situation in Russia? Smile

    When I first came here I thought Vlad might be a bit negative and angry at the Russian system, and in a way he certainly is, because it isn't perfect by any stretch.

    But beyond all the reports about this and that being bought and new changes being made, in a lot of areas progress is slow... especially contract soldiers and housing military personnel.

    And this is after practically a decade of promises and zero progress... the promises keep coming, but at least now money is actually being spent... the problem is that there are fires everywhere and only so much water and there is the fear that the local politicians dacha will get the fires put out first if you know what I mean.

    The everything is perfect view is more destructive than the everything is wrong view.

    We need Vlads to keep us honest and realistic and unlike the Pavel Felgenhauers, Vlad is a real patriot and actually wants things to get better. Felgenhauer is a vulture picking on the corpse making his money from "foreign benefactors" with his "the sky is really falling" BS that western media agencies love because they can use it in their "it is bad here but at least you don't live in Russia" fictional stories.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:21 am

    The really sad thing is that western media is in one camp... it is all owned by big business, who became big and powerful and rich under the current system which they don't therefore want to rock.
    They pay money to campaign funds for politicians on all sides so no matter who wins they have bought their say in what direction the country takes on various issues, so in many way the fear of the government controlling the media has turned into big business controlling the media and government and the information people see on their TV, hear on their radio, and read in their newspapers.

    Personally I think the Russian set up is much more healthy as long as you know the bias of the media you get your stories from the nature of the different media slants means that you will eventually find out the truth from another rival media outlet... in the west it is all copy and paste and no one contradicts or refutes what the other says.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:26 am

    I usually avoid starting shit fights....but it's hard not making a comment when each "the sky is falling" story posted here has been more or less refuted within a couple of weeks.


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:24 am

    The important thing is that if that first post is posted that the retraction post also reflects attention to the source as not being so reliable in the future.

    Of course quotes can be taken out of context... and sometimes people quoted are quoted as though they know something, but it turns out it is just speculation on their part.

    Buying foreign stuff started out seeming like they would replace T-90s with Leopards etc, but now it seems they will buy mostly bits like thermal sights and communications systems from Thales (and targeting pods like Damocles), but most of it will be licence produced in Russia.

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    Mandatory Military Service

    Post  Ice Man on Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:39 am

    I have heard something about Russia is moving toward a professional military service and leaving the mandatory military service, is that true and if so, what do you think about having a professional military instead of conscription? Discuss!

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:40 am

    Not fully, but they are planning (and have been) increasing the ratio of kontraktniki and conscripts.

    Recently I think they made it so you can just go into kontract service without doing conscription term first- logical and one wonders why the hell it took so long to make that change.

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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:45 am

    TR1 wrote:Not fully, but they are planning (and have been) increasing the ratio of kontraktniki and conscripts.

    Recently I think they made it so you can just go into kontract service without doing conscription term first- logical and one wonders why the hell it took so long to make that change.

    What's so logical about it? And I haven't heard anything about this.

    Conscript service is absolutely necessary IMO; the most important thing is that you actually train the conscripts properly and make sure they learn some useful things rather than waste time. That way you will have a large pool of young men in the country with a certain level of military training, who know what the military is like, would have better fitness standards in many cases and would be more predisposed towards signing up for contract service at some later point compared to someone who's never served at all.
    That last point might come as a surprise but it does seem to be the way it works.

    The only alternative that would make sense is if new conscripts do a longer-length contract service as a replacement for a shorter-length conscript service, as has been proposed recently.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Airbornewolf on Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:54 pm

    every nation should do what it feels is best of course. but the following is my own personal opinion.

    my nation had mandatory military service in the past, and while it did gave the military plenty of manpower the mentality and physical performance was often something to be desired. you can yell all you want against a guy, but if its not his choice to be there in the army and he HAD to show up you probably wont get him to the level you would get with a willing recruit.

    professional military service is in my opinion efficient and more or less guarantees well-trained and motivated millitary personell. they are after all there by choice. and not by force. the benefits already show them self in basic training. if they want to leave basic training, then let them. they dont meet requirements, then cancel their contracts and hire replacements with the next training season. also for resource management it saves the millitary time and money with training. time and money better spend on modernizing weapon systems and specialization training. you get the guys (and women) that want to serve, and are not forced to.

    and trough training them harder than you can with conscripts you reach a higher level of skill and morale.


    after all this, im not saying conscription is all bad. damn spoiled MTV-kids nowadays could use a good boot up the behind and yelled over an obstacle course. but from a millitary point of view voluntary service would have the best long-term results.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Regular on Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:11 pm

    ^^ Good points, but that's why Russia has mixed conscript and professional force. IDF and FDF are very good example of modern conscription.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:45 am

    When there is a real land based threat to your country then having the male population of your country have some understanding of military life is a good thing.

    Being able to shoot straight too is handy.

    The key is to make it worthwhile... make it an opportunity to learn a trade that is useful in civilian life too.


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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  zg18 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:04 am

    Prussian all-conscript army beat the hell out Napoleon the III professional French army back in 1871 , professional army is more efficient but well trained and equipped conscript force should not be underestimated.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:46 am

    Indeed... a conscript US army in Vietnam didn't perform ideally, but then if they were fighting off an invasion from North Korea or Cuba or China for that matter I think they would be rather better motivated to perform.


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    Russian Armed Forces personnel:

    Post  franco on Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:19 pm

    So how many personnel are in the Russian Armed Forces today?

    MO reports that 90.5% of positions are filled as of January 1. This is up from a year ago when the figure was at 82.3%.

    Does 90.5% = 905,000 soldiers?

    Figures released lately would indicate the following breakdown;

    Officers - 220,000
    Sergeants & Contractors - 295,000
    Conscripts - 279,000  (Note: Military conscripts total 309,000. The other 30,000 must serve in the Interior Troops (VV) and Federal Protection Service (FSO - Kremlin Regiment) which I believe are the only two other Military [Security] forces still taking in conscripts)

    Total - 794,000  (Short by 111,000)

    Cadets - 60-70,000 (split the difference at 65,000 still leaves 46,000 short)

    Warrant Officers - ??  
    Serdyukov abolished the position with 140,000 staff in 2010 but Shoigu reinstated with a planned 55,000 staff. The WO's used to be counted as a separate figure from the Sergeants & Contractors so perhaps they are the variance. However I can find nothing to support this.

    Any information or input would be appreciated.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:26 pm

    I wonder if they are also adding in contract soldiers too. Since they raised the wages for contract soldiers to that of what a lot of engineers and doctors make in Russia, I can imagine there would be a lot of people wanting to join now.

    I wonder how many men/woman work in the private military sector in Russia too.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Asf on Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:04 pm

    private military sector in Russia
    There is no such a thing, really

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Asf on Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:11 pm

    Don't you think it's top secret information, so your math is a bull shit as there is no actual data in media on that question.

    I can only say there are many contract soldiers how have joined the Army since the beggining of Shoigu's time (MoD told many times about overfulfilment of contract soldiers recruitment plans), so 90,5% of personel could be true

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:48 am

    Is it top secret? or just secret. All figures are from the MO to the media... just not all at once.

    The Officer total (planned) after the graduation last year and the amalgamation of the Ukrainian forces in Crimea should be 100% or pretty close.
    The Contractor and Conscript totals are new releases, as is the 90.5% of positions filled.
    The Cadet total is unknown. The planned total for the 1,000,000 army is 70,000 cadets. Today's total would be less, so my figure is subjective.
    The Warrant Officer total of 55,000 is planned. The questions are whether it is a stand along figure OR should be included in the Contractor total PLUS how many of those positions are filled. My assessment is that it would be high, as rumors are that not all the 140,000 Warrant Officer positions were dissolved in 2010 due to necessity.

    So I am looking for confirmation, answers or thoughts.
    And I'm not sure where the BS is?

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