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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:53 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    I wonder how many men/woman work in the private military sector in Russia too.

    There is a large Private Security sector in Russia but the only private military types would be the Cossack organizations which have been connected to the MVD for control and monitoring purposes.


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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:08 am

    Asf wrote:
    private military sector in Russia
    There is no such a thing, really

    OK, Private security contractors. Which do exist.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:06 pm

    Some of the increase to the Russian Armed Forces is the result of the amalgamation of former Ukrainian Armed Forces into the Russian Armed Forces after the annex of Crimea.

    In January 2014 there was an estimated 14,500 -14,800 Ukrainian Armed Forces stationed in Crimea. There were a further estimated 4,000 other military forces (Interior troops, Border Guards and Coast Guard);
    - Navy and Coastal Defense 11,900
    - Air Force and Air Defense 2,600 to 2,900
    - no Ground Forces were permanently stationed in the Crimea but a company of Airborne was there on a joint training exercise with the Marine battalion and they were escorted out of Crimea first.
    - no break down on the other Military forces but suspect ~ 75% would have been Interior troops.

    After the referendum, the Russian military gave the Ukrainian forces 3 options;
    - become Russian citizens and join the Russian military
    - become civilians and remain in Crimea
    - stay with the Ukrainian military and leave Crimea

    In March 2014, the Ukrainian Minister of Defense announced to the Ukrainian Rada that;
    - 2,600 members of the Armed forces in Crimea
    - 800 members of the other Military forces
    - 900 of their dependents
    would have to be moved back into Ukraine

    And that a further ~ 900 Crimean citizens serving in Ukrainian military units in Ukraine as Regulars, Cadets and Conscripts had requested release from service to return to Crimea, which would be accomplished by April's end. ( the Minister was relieved shortly afterwards)

    The Russian MO announced in April, that ~ 9,200 Officers, Cadets, Warrants and Contractors from the Ukrainian Armed Forces had been accepted into the Russian Armed Forces.
    Further that all the Crimean born conscripts would finish out their service in the Interior Troop units in Crimea. Drafting of Crimean citizens into the Russian Armed Forces would not start until 2015.
    No breakdown of other Military forces, but at one point during the Crisis, Crimean authorities had claimed that 75% of them had switched sides.

    The Russian Armed Forces announced towards year end that another ~800 Crimean citizens had been recruited as Contractors in 2014.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:09 am

    Russian Military Draft

    - One of the most talked about issues with the Draft has been the Demographic Crisis that occurred in Russia after the breakup of the USSR and the lowering of draft eligible young men each year. This will slowly swing in the other way with the increased birth rates... very slowly but in a positive direction. The demographic crisis as it relates to draft age 18 year old's is due to bottom out in 2018 and to start swinging slowly in the other direction after 2020.
    - The MO has reported that the health of the potential conscripts has slowly improved over the past 5 years and that with the 1-year service and improved living conditions, draft evasion has decreased.
    - Another factor at play has been the reluctance to draft conscripts from the Muslim North Caucasian Republics (+4% of Federation population) and those few that are recruited serve in the Troops of the Interior (VV). In the last draft another ~1,000 were drafted with some actually going into Armed Forces service. This year it is planned to increase that number.
    - The final increase will come this year as citizens of Crimea will be eligible for the draft. With a population of about 1/70 of Russia, this should provide an additional 2,000 conscripts per draft.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Asf on Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:19 am

    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    I wonder how many men/woman work in the private military sector in Russia too.

    There is a large Private Security sector in Russia but the only private military types would be the Cossack organizations which have been connected to the MVD for control and monitoring purposes.
    Cossacks are private military organisation?))) You are kidding me))
    OK, Private security contractors. Which do exist.
    Well, if you are calling those few guys with shotguns who protecting cargo ships from sea hobos as private military companies then you have little understanding of the word 'military'. They are just a private security. There are no rivate military contractors in Russia as they are illegal. Really illegal, not like weed smoking in Europe

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:54 am

    Asf wrote:Don't you think it's top secret information, so your math is a bull shit as there is no actual data in media on that question.

    I can only say there are many contract soldiers how have joined the Army since the beggining of Shoigu's time (MoD told many times about overfulfilment of contract soldiers recruitment plans), so 90,5% of personel could be true

    No, it really isn't classified information. Recruitment numbers are reported seasonally and the targets are released in the White Paper. The Russian military is not China, we maintain transparency.


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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Asf on Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:59 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Asf wrote:Don't you think it's top secret information, so your math is a bull shit as there is no actual data in media on that question.

    I can only say there are many contract soldiers how have joined the Army since the beggining of Shoigu's time (MoD told many times about overfulfilment of contract soldiers recruitment plans), so 90,5% of personel could be true

    No, it really isn't classified information.  Recruitment numbers are reported seasonally and the targets are released in the White Paper.  The Russian military is not China, we maintain transparency.  
    Recruitment numbers are fine, but the topic is about actual army strenght. It isn't a public info, numbers given in papers aren't accurate, imho. Actual grade of tranparency can be different, can use find information about say the US Army personel? Not the total abstract numbers. And how can you be sure it's 100% true info?

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:13 am

    Asf wrote:
    Recruitment numbers are fine, but the topic is about actual army strenght. It isn't a public info, numbers given in papers aren't accurate, imho. Actual grade of tranparency can be different, can use find information about say the US Army personel? Not the total abstract numbers. And how can you be sure it's 100% true info?

    The numbers are released by the MoD.  If it was a lie to keep up appearance they wouldn't report how understaffed the Army is. We already had the days of Paper Army, it is no more.


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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:59 pm

    Asf wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Asf wrote:Don't you think it's top secret information, so your math is a bull shit as there is no actual data in media on that question.

    I can only say there are many contract soldiers how have joined the Army since the beggining of Shoigu's time (MoD told many times about overfulfilment of contract soldiers recruitment plans), so 90,5% of personel could be true

    No, it really isn't classified information.  Recruitment numbers are reported seasonally and the targets are released in the White Paper.  The Russian military is not China, we maintain transparency.  
    Recruitment numbers are fine, but the topic is about actual army strenght. It isn't a public info, numbers given in papers aren't accurate, imho. Actual grade of tranparency can be different, can use find information about say the US Army personel? Not the total abstract numbers. And how can you be sure it's 100% true info?


    All figures from my post are from media releases from the Russian Ministry of Defense. They are not all from the same time and please find me some 100% truth anywhere. The purpose of my post was to lay out the data that I had to see if someone had better or more to add.

    There are challenges in acquiring information such as this and they are multitude such as;

    1- military official has little desire to share information with a civilian and an even stronger desire to make sure he doesn't release too much.
    2- reporter has a varying degree of understanding of the terminology and technology of what the military guy said and then puts his perspective on it.
    3- editor or proof writer then put their perspective on it.
    4- and if there is a translation from Russian to English. Well, just say some of it can be funny and some just plain sad!
    5- Then you can get an English writer reading the article for data for his article. Again another perspective.
    6- Finally we get our hands on it and put our perspective on it.

    A good example of this would be the Armata MBT and how many are planned for by the end of 2020. Just on this site alone that is all over the place.
    - some expect to see 2300 modern Armata MBT.
    - some look and say that would not be possible production wise, so they must mean a total 2300 of the Armata modular weapons platform.
    - I read it and believe it means 2300 modern MBT's, which would be T-72B3, T-90A and Armata.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:50 pm

    A nice article from CAST on the numbers of Conscripts and Contractors over the past few years and going forward;

    http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/4-2015/item3/article2/

    NOTES:
    - demographic low point for 18 year old's is from 2016 -2018, then slow increase.
    - very few North Caucasians are drafted. More last draft (~1,000) and planned to slowly increase going forward.
    - Crimea will have it's first full draft this fall which should add another 2-3,000.
    - original 1,000,000 man Army plan that I saw years ago, envisioned 70,000 in Educational Institutes and 40,000 in Training Centers
    - there are ~60,000 presently in Educational Institutes and they are not included in any totals here.
    - that left 890,000 in units. Not all units have yet been formed so when they say 90% manned, they mean of the units formed.
    - there are also 220,000 Officers not counted here.
    - so when you see 300,000 contractors, you need to add 220,000 to get the total Military Professionals
    - about 30,000 conscripts appear to be serving in the Troops of the Interior and Kremlin Regiment

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:19 pm

    Number of contractors now at 327,000 or 93% of planned total for this year.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Fdefense_safety%2F&sandbox=1

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:23 pm

    So you are saying that there are close to 330,000 contractors in Russias military. Add the 220,000 you mentioned before to get the full picture of all the professionals in the military? What is the other 220,000 professionals? Total number of conscripts?

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:28 pm

    sepheronx wrote:So you are saying that there are close to 330,000 contractors in Russias military.  Add the 220,000 you mentioned before to get the full picture of all the professionals in the military?  What is the other 220,000 professionals?  Total number of conscripts?

    Commissioned officers and Warrant officers. Conscripts are in play right now with the fall draft. Somewhere around 265-270,000 would be my best guess. There are also 60-70,000 cadets in Educational Institutes on top of that.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:59 pm

    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:So you are saying that there are close to 330,000 contractors in Russias military.  Add the 220,000 you mentioned before to get the full picture of all the professionals in the military?  What is the other 220,000 professionals?  Total number of conscripts?

    Commissioned officers and Warrant officers. Conscripts are in play right now with the fall draft. Somewhere around 265-270,000 would be my best guess. There are also 60-70,000 cadets in Educational Institutes on top of that.

    So what are the total amount of forces? Roughly close to a million?

    The idea of the contractors are great and seem to be doing well for Russia in times of conscripts trying to divert from mil service.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:07 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:So you are saying that there are close to 330,000 contractors in Russias military.  Add the 220,000 you mentioned before to get the full picture of all the professionals in the military?  What is the other 220,000 professionals?  Total number of conscripts?

    Commissioned officers and Warrant officers. Conscripts are in play right now with the fall draft. Somewhere around 265-270,000 would be my best guess. There are also 60-70,000 cadets in Educational Institutes on top of that.

    So what are the total amount of forces?  Roughly close to a million?

    The idea of the contractors are great and seem to be doing well for Russia in times of conscripts trying to divert from mil service.

    About 880,000 total, of which about 815,000 would be in active units.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:14 am

    So they are still below the 1m army they are supposed to be in need for.

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    Post  franco on Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:30 am

    sepheronx wrote:So they are still below the 1m army they are supposed to be in need for.

    Yes, and they are hitting the low point in the demographic curve for 18 year old's for the next two years. The planned contractor total is 425,000 by the end of 2017 and 499,000 by the end of 2020. The draft total for the Fall 2015 Draft is 10,000 less then the Spring Draft. They were hoping to have 352,000 contractors by the end of 2015.

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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:38 am

    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:So they are still below the 1m army they are supposed to be in need for.

    Yes, and they are hitting the low point in the demographic curve for 18 year old's for the next two years. The planned contractor total is 425,000 by the end of 2017 and 499,000 by the end of 2020. The draft total for the Fall 2015 Draft is 10,000 less then the Spring Draft. They were hoping to have 352,000 contractors by the end of 2015.  

    Hmm, I imagine there are FAR more 18 year olds than less than a million.

    That said, they are hitting the low point. So by 2020 there should be far more? or less? or what?

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:03 am

    There will be gradually more each year but the plan is to reduce conscripts to less then 25% by 2020.

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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:37 am

    franco wrote:There will be gradually more each year but the plan is to reduce conscripts to less then 25% by 2020.

    Good. Conscripts are a good idea to keep the average person to be ready and skilled just in case there is an actual conflict that would be needed to get a larger more ready forces.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:20 am

    Fall 2015 call up of conscripts total 147,100. The Spring call up was for 150,145 conscripts.

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:08 pm

    Contractors now make up 60% of Rocket and Artillery units;

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Fdefense_safety%2F&sandbox=1

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:15 pm

    New training and reserve system in the Russian Armed Forces. University students now allowed to enlist and do their military service while attending school. After their graduation, they are put into the Reserve as trained Sergeants.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redstar.ru%2F&sandbox=1

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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:45 pm

    #Gerasimov: Russian Armed Forces staffing level has reached 92%, number of contract servicemen reached 352 thousand people



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    Re: Russian Armed Forces personnel

    Post  franco on Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:21 pm

    Defense Personnel end of 2015 = 902,000

    Volunteers = 572,000
    Conscripts = 267,000
    Cadets = 63,000
    Manning = 92%

    Volunteers are Officers, Warrant Officers, Sergeants and Contractors. All Sergeants were scheduled to be Volunteers by end of 2015.
    Conscripts for 2015 were 297,245 of which ~30,000 serve in the Troops of the Interior and the Kremlin Regiment.
    Cadets include 40,000 in Military Schools and 23,000 in University doing their Military Service by being trained as Reserve Sergeants.
    Manning is not 100% clear but my best guess is that all units presently active are at an average 92% manned.

    Planned end of 2020 totals = 1,000,000

    Volunteers = 720,000
    Conscripts = 200,000
    Cadets = 80,000

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