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    Militarov

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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:43 pm

    Werewolf wrote:You can't modernize old cobras to vipers. The fuselage is widened to fight more avionics, the structure is reinforced to have better protection ballistically aswell deformation in a free fall. They are always newly build.

    I said that "technology" from new Vipers can be applied to Cobras, that does not mean you literally have to refabricate them to be Vipers.

    Also you can evade widening of the hull with boxes that get welded to original fuselage and then with cabling, if you really want to keep old frames of some helicopter.
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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:01 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:You can't modernize old cobras to vipers. The fuselage is widened to fight more avionics, the structure is reinforced to have better protection ballistically aswell deformation in a free fall. They are always newly build.

    I said that "technology" from new Vipers can be applied to Cobras, that does not mean you literally have to refabricate them to be Vipers.

    Also you can evade widening of the hull with boxes that get welded to original fuselage and then with cabling, if you really want to keep old frames of some helicopter.

    That is what they do with Apaches and that is the Apaches armor sheme, the use the avionic "cheeks" as the main armor which can only withstand 7.62mm from long distances so the avionic modules are the first armor for the cockpit, not the best way to make a helicopter. The old cobras are ancient and have many failures by todays standards based on their flawed design such as the free hinge rotor system which caused significant amount of must bumping with fatal results.
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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:51 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
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    Militarov wrote:"Bell Helicopter is planning to offer its AH-1Z attack helicopter to Poland for a forthcoming requirement to replace the Mil M-24s operated by the country’s land forces.

    “We can provide the most cost-effective solution and state-of the-art helicopter with unmatched capability for Poland,” says Joel Best, regional director, military business development at the US manufacturer. “We are very interested in co-operation with Poland and in next few months we want to create Zulu Team with companies in the Polish defence sector,” he says.



    Intriguingly, Bell is also touting the UH-1Y utility variant as a back-up plan in case Warsaw’s proposed tri-service order with Airbus Helicopters for 50 H225Ms falls through. “If something happens with the Caracal deal, Bell will be happy to provide an attack and utility combination, with 85% of technical commonality and significant cost saving,” adds Mike Gleason, international military business development at Bell."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/bell-helicopter-offers-ah-1z-and-uh-1y-helicopters-to-poland.html

    I don't know what they smoke in Poland, but the Viper is the most costly choice...But I get the Rasha Dasha vibe.

    Well, would be for start cheaper than AH64E i suppose. But i am not sure on long run as there are not really many 1Zs around, so spares might become a bitch.

    The AH64E doesn't fit in the Polish tender. It was never considered. The Poles wanted ToT for Tigre, they kinda got it, then it went to hell after the pussyfooting between France and Russia and when it appeared that Sikorsky wouldn't have any of that competitive shit. Factually the Viper will be MORE costly than the Tigre because the Poles will not  get a spare production line.

    Also the Viper is not exactly a light attack Helicopter, it has twice the weight of the Tiger HAP, has lesser range than even the Tiger HAD and frankly will cost MORE down the years. But hey if Polsha wants to go that way...no problem.
    Hell the AH64E is lighter and has more payload cap than the Viper. But none of my bid'ness.

    Yeah i know it wasnt considered, but it would be better idea than Vipers at this point. Seems that Tiger has many issues these days, Australia and Germany are struggling to keep them flying.

    The Tigre is slowly becoming a Unicorn. But Poland wanted it because they could squeeze ToT and build their own Franken Tiger. Turkey pulled the same deal with the T129. Poland wanted a newer platform than the A129I so basically there was only the Tiger or their own hideous Pzl-W3 SuperGlushec/Hussar in the 3ton category.
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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:31 pm

    "Poland’s Ministry of Defense is aiming to acquire 24 Boeing AH-64 Apache helicopters under its ongoing tender to purchase new combat helicopters for the Polish Air Force. The procurement, dubbed the Kruk program, is most likely to be awarded to Boeing prior to the forthcoming NATO summit in Warsaw.

    The forthcoming deal is estimated to be worth between 5 and 6 billion zloty (US $1.3 to $1.6 billion), according to the information obtained by the paper. The Kruk procurement was launched by Poland’s previous government as part of its military modernization program under which some 130 billion zloty was to be spent by 2022 on new weapons and military equipment.



    However, Polish Defence Minister Antoni Macierewicz recently said the program was underfunded, and that if all of the acquisitions are carried out, the program will total at least 235 billion zloty."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/polands-ministry-of-defense-is-aiming-to-acquire-24-boeing-ah-64-apache-helicopters.html
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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  max steel on Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:14 pm

    Poland moves towards multi-billion-euro Patriot missile deal

    Polish Defence Minister Antoni Macierewicz on Monday said he would ink a letter of intent with US defence firm Raytheon to buy a Patriot missile system valued at an estimated 5 billion euros ($5.6 billion).

    The EU member's previous government had said in April it planned to buy the Patriot system, but soon after coming into power in November the current conservative administration placed a question mark over the purchase.

    Macierewicz himself had said at the time: "The price is much higher, the delivery time much longer... in short, this contract is practically non-existent."

    On Monday Macierewicz said Poland was able to move ahead with the plan because Raytheon had pledged that 50 percent of the missile system spending would be on works "done in Poland by Polish arms firms".

    "That being the case, we're signing the letter of intent," Macierewicz said, quoted by the Polish news agency PAP.

    He said that meant Raytheon would be the "most likely" maker of Poland's missile defence system.

    The defence ministry had said in April that it wanted to acquire eight missile batteries by 2025, with two of them to be delivered within three years of signing a deal.

    The Eurosam consortium including MBDA France, MBDA Italy and France's Thales Group had been the other party in the running for the missile deal
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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:57 am

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — Lockheed Martin Mission Systems and Training has received a $36.3 million contract to install and test new equipment at the US Aegis Ashore installation in Poland, the US Department of Defense announced.

    "Lockheed Martin Mission Systems and Training, Moorestown, New Jersey, is being awarded a $36.3 million… contract for the installation, integration and testing of Aegis Ashore equipment in a deckhouse and deckhouse support building," the announcement said on Tuesday.

    Work on the contract will be performed at the Aegis Ashore site in Poland, and is expected to be completed by December 31, 2018, the Defense Department added.

    The Defense Department plans to arm its Aegis Ashore system to be deployed in Poland in 2018 with land-based Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) interceptors as part of the European missile shield.


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160810/1044112449/lockheed-more-aegis-poland.html
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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:01 pm

    Poland's Defense Minister Russia Responsible for 2010 Polish Plane Crash


    Antoni Macierewicz, Poland's defense minister, has promised to present a new government report that he says “leaves no doubts” Russia is to blame for the 2010 plane crash that killed Polish president Lech Kaczyński.

    “The actions of the Russian navigators and their Moscow decision makers had the aim to lead to the catastrophy of the Polish plane with president Lech Kaczyński and the whole delegation on-board,” Macierewicz told Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita.

    The government plane crashed near Russia's Smolensk airport in April 2010 whilst carrying the first official delegation to commemorate the 1940 Katyn massacre. The plane carried the Polish president, his wife, the country's central bank chief, several MPs, its most senior military and cultural figures.
    Two independent investigations ruled that the crash was the result of a pilot error. The transcripts recovered from the plane's black box were made public and showed that the pilots of the Tupolev plane were under pressure by senior officials to land in poor visibility.

    But Poland's ruling party Law and Justice (PiS), led by the late president's identical twin brother Jarosław Kaczyński, has long alleged that Moscow and former Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk hold some blame for the disaster. Macierewicz is the party figure most associated with trying to uncover the “truth” about what happened in Smolensk. Shortly after the crash, he put forward his theory of an explosion on board.

    When PiS came to power late last year, it promised to re-open the probe into the crash. The new government commission started working in March. Today, Macierewicz promised to present a new report - “probably within the next month” - that he says will prove the Russians caused the crash.
    “The choice is not if the Polish pilots were responsible for the Smolensk tragedy or if it was an assassination. The question is if the destruction of the presidential plane happened in the air because the plane was consciously allowed to fly with a technical fault, or if we were dealing with intentional actions with the aim of destroying the plane in the air,” Macierewicz said.

    The crash is the worst national tragedy in modern Poland and has left deep scars on Polish politics and society.

    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/polands-defense-minister-blames-russia-for-2010-polish-plane-crash-55199
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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:53 pm

    Stay classy Poland.
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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:15 am

    Poland will purchase 70 aircraft cruise missiles, long-range JASSM-ER

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2294211.html


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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:21 pm

    "Abrams" in Poland in the snow

    Division 3rd Armored Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division of the US Army at the military exercises of the standard weapons M1 tanks "Abrams" and IFV "M2 Bradley" on Świętoszów range in Poland, January 2017









    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2390857.html



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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:00 pm

    Poland received the first aircraft JASSM cruise missiles

    According to Polish media and confirmed as the Deputy Minister of National Defence of Poland Bartosz Kovnyatsky in January 2017 from the US to Poland on 31st tactical air base in Krzesiny (Poznan), the first batch of purchased for the Polish Air Force US aviation tactical cruise missiles was delivered Lockheed Martin AGM-158a JASSM (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles). The missiles are designed to equip fighter aircraft F-16C / D Block 52+ Polish Air Force.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2392422.html


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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:47 pm

    Poland signed a memorandum on the acquisition of American anti-aircraft missile systems Patriot

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2715909.html


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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  arpakola on Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:16 pm

    bored to death... jocolor
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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:06 pm

    American notification about the planned delivery of the first four Patriot Patriot batteries to Poland

    The Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) on November 14, 2017, sent a notice to the US Congress about the possible upcoming sale of the first four batteries of the Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems to Poland through the inter-governmental military sales of Foreign Military Sales (FMS) in the PAC- 3+ with the new integrated Air Defense and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS). The sale is authorized by the US Department of State. The estimated cost of delivery is $ 10.5 billion.



    The delivery is planned to be implemented in response to the request of the Polish government as the first stage of a two-stage program for the acquisition of Poland by the IBCS system with the Patriot PAC-3 + radar system. According to the notification, as a first step, Poland is expected to supply four AN / MPQ-65 radar, four battery control points, 16 M903 launchers, 208 MSE RAS-3 missiles, 11 MSE test missiles, 14 IBCS Engagement Operations Centers (EOCs) of various configurations, 15 Integrated Fire Control Network (IFCN) network sets, four EPP III field power plants and five multifunction Multifunctional Information Distribution Systems / Low Volume Terminals (MIDS / LVT). Also, the delivery will include the corresponding other equipment, personnel training and technical support services.

    General contractors for the supply will be the corporation Raytheon, Lockheed Martin (the manufacturer of missiles RAS-3 MSE) and Northrop Grumman (producer IBCS).


    On the bmpd side,
    we recall that on July 6, 2017, during the visit of US President Donald Trump to Poland in Warsaw, the Polish and American sides signed a memorandum on the acquisition by Poland of US Patriot patrol boats. According to the memorandum, by the end of 2017, the parties must agree on all conditions for technology transfer and offset programs in the framework of the acquisition of the Patriot SAR, after which at the end of the year, direct contractual agreements on FMS can be concluded in the form of an exchange between the governments Letters of Offer and Acceptance Letters of Offer and Acceptance (LOA).

    In accordance with the official request submitted by the Polish government in early 2017, Poland plans to buy eight Patriot batteries, which have anti-missile capabilities with the additionally added anti-missiles Raytheon SkyCeptor (variant of Rafael / Raytheon Stunner missiles used in the Israeli missile defense complex Kela David, David's Sling). These interceptors in the Polish system are primarily designed to intercept ballistic missiles of Russian operational-tactical complexes Iskander-M. Also, the Polish Patriot SAMs should be equipped with a new air defense and air defense control system IBCS, created by Norhrop Grumman Corporation in the interests of the US Army.

    It was reported that in the framework of the Polish two-stage plan for the acquisition of the Patriot missile system, at the first stage, the agreement on which Poland is determined to conclude by the end of 2017, two Patriot batteries with the current AN / MPQ-65 radar and the PAC-3 MSE four M903 launchers in each battery) to be delivered to Poland in 2022 (the expected time frame for the introduction of the IBCS system), with the achievement of their combat readiness in 2023.

    The agreements of the second stage should be finalized by the end of 2018 and should include the supply to Poland from 2024 of six Patriot batteries, equipped with a prospective round-robin radar (which the US Army should only choose to develop under the LTAMDS program) and SkyCeptor anti-missiles.

    Observers from the very beginning have noted that when ordering the Patriot missile system in a prospective combination with IBCS, the radar of the circular survey and the SkyCeptor anti-missile system, Poland requires complexes that do not yet exist in nature, which creates significant technical, cost and temporary risks for the Polish program of acquiring these systems.

    Judging by the promulgated notice, now the plans for the delivery of Patriot Poles to Poland have been revised, and in the first stage the USA proposes to supply the Poles with four batteries with AN / MPQ-65 standard radar and MPE-3 antiaircraft missiles.

    At the same time, the 14 command posts of the IBCS system planned for delivery are intended to ensure the integration and operation of the entire prospective air defense and missile defense system of Poland to be deployed, which explains the high cost of the anticipated delivery of the first stage.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2959784.html


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