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    Post  max steel on Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:33 pm

    Work on U.S. BMD complex in Poland expected to start in summer

    The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers expects to break ground this summer for a ballistic missile defense facility in Poland.

    The Aegis Ashore BMD complex will be located on Poland's Redzikowa Air Base and when completed in 2018 will complement the Aegis Ashore facility completed last month in Romania.

    The two land facilities, together with Aegis-equipped U.S. warships based in Spain, are to protect European NATO allies and U.S. forces in the region "against growing ballistic-missile threats from the Middle East," the Army said.

    Two contracts will be awarded soon under the program.

    "The first is a $100 million to $200 million contract to build the missile-defense facilities," said Curt Heckelman, chief of USACE Europe District's Missile Defense Branch. "The second is a $25 million to $100 million contract to build the offices, housing and other facilities where U.S. Navy personnel will work and live.

    "We are currently accepting proposals, and this contract is open to all major construction companies."

    About 80 companies attended a pre-proposal conference in Poland last month as part of contract-solicitation process.

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    Post  DerWolf on Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:58 pm

    US seems in a rush to build missile defence system, in december the system was put into operation in Romania, and in 2018 it will be ready in Poland. Russia is clearly against this system. This will complicate the ralations even more.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:11 am

    Complicate?

    Land based SM-3 missiles violates the INF treaty...


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    Post  DerWolf on Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:20 am

    GarryB wrote:Complicate?

    Land based SM-3 missiles violates the INF treaty...
    Russia could break the treaty too now that US broke that. It has all the right to do that.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:15 am

    One could argue the US broke the INF treaty years ago with the Predator UCAVs...


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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:14 am

    max steel wrote:Poland orders 1,000 more Spike-LR ATGMs


    Poland has placed a PLN602 million (USD152 million) order for extra Rafael Spike-LR (long-range) anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs).

    Signed on 17 December, the contract covers the delivery of 1,000 missiles, manufactured under license by ZM Mesko in Poland.

    The first 100 missiles will be delivered to Polish Land Forces in 2017, with 300 following in 2018, 300 in 2019, and the final 300 in 2020.

    No new firing units are included in the order, with all the new missile containers to be equipped with a mounting attachment to allow them to be fitted to the dual launchers used on the Hitfist-30P two-crew turret that arms Poland's modernised Rosomak 8x8 Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV).

    The new Spike-LR missiles will also be used on the dual launcher of the new Huta Stalowa Wola (HSW) ZSSW-30 remote-controlled turret currently being tested by the military for the Rosomak and the 'Borsuk' future Polish tracked IFV being developed by HSW. The serial production of the ZSSW-30 turret is planned to start in 2017.

    Poland selected the Spike-LR under a non-competitive process in 2002. A PLN1.49 billion contract followed in December 2003 for 264 launchers and 2,675 missiles for dismounted use by the mechanised, air assault, and air cavalry battalions. Under the original deal, 53% of the missiles were produced by ZM Mesko, including both the precursor and main warheads, launch and flight motors, argon gas titanium pressure tank, solid-fuel, a canister, and partially the servo. While CCD/IIR seeker, gyroscope, battery, and the rest of the servo components are delivered by Rafael ADS. The initial Rafael-built missiles entered Polish service in 2004, with Rafael awarding ZM Mesko a production certificate for the missiles in 2007.


    I have no idea why have you posted this article here.

    I believe the missiles are Israeli.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:03 am

    "Bell Helicopter is planning to offer its AH-1Z attack helicopter to Poland for a forthcoming requirement to replace the Mil M-24s operated by the country’s land forces.

    “We can provide the most cost-effective solution and state-of the-art helicopter with unmatched capability for Poland,” says Joel Best, regional director, military business development at the US manufacturer. “We are very interested in co-operation with Poland and in next few months we want to create Zulu Team with companies in the Polish defence sector,” he says.



    Intriguingly, Bell is also touting the UH-1Y utility variant as a back-up plan in case Warsaw’s proposed tri-service order with Airbus Helicopters for 50 H225Ms falls through. “If something happens with the Caracal deal, Bell will be happy to provide an attack and utility combination, with 85% of technical commonality and significant cost saving,” adds Mike Gleason, international military business development at Bell."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/bell-helicopter-offers-ah-1z-and-uh-1y-helicopters-to-poland.html

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:35 am

    Militarov wrote:"Bell Helicopter is planning to offer its AH-1Z attack helicopter to Poland for a forthcoming requirement to replace the Mil M-24s operated by the country’s land forces.

    “We can provide the most cost-effective solution and state-of the-art helicopter with unmatched capability for Poland,” says Joel Best, regional director, military business development at the US manufacturer. “We are very interested in co-operation with Poland and in next few months we want to create Zulu Team with companies in the Polish defence sector,” he says.



    Intriguingly, Bell is also touting the UH-1Y utility variant as a back-up plan in case Warsaw’s proposed tri-service order with Airbus Helicopters for 50 H225Ms falls through. “If something happens with the Caracal deal, Bell will be happy to provide an attack and utility combination, with 85% of technical commonality and significant cost saving,” adds Mike Gleason, international military business development at Bell."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/bell-helicopter-offers-ah-1z-and-uh-1y-helicopters-to-poland.html

    I don't know what they smoke in Poland, but the Viper is the most costly choice...But I get the Rasha Dasha vibe.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:57 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Bell Helicopter is planning to offer its AH-1Z attack helicopter to Poland for a forthcoming requirement to replace the Mil M-24s operated by the country’s land forces.

    “We can provide the most cost-effective solution and state-of the-art helicopter with unmatched capability for Poland,” says Joel Best, regional director, military business development at the US manufacturer. “We are very interested in co-operation with Poland and in next few months we want to create Zulu Team with companies in the Polish defence sector,” he says.



    Intriguingly, Bell is also touting the UH-1Y utility variant as a back-up plan in case Warsaw’s proposed tri-service order with Airbus Helicopters for 50 H225Ms falls through. “If something happens with the Caracal deal, Bell will be happy to provide an attack and utility combination, with 85% of technical commonality and significant cost saving,” adds Mike Gleason, international military business development at Bell."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/bell-helicopter-offers-ah-1z-and-uh-1y-helicopters-to-poland.html

    I don't know what they smoke in Poland, but the Viper is the most costly choice...But I get the Rasha Dasha vibe.

    Well, would be for start cheaper than AH64E i suppose. But i am not sure on long run as there are not really many 1Zs around, so spares might become a bitch.

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    Post  Grazneyar on Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:51 pm

    Has Poland just become a dumping groung for Vietnam era second hand choppers ? They will be on the hook for spares as these will be worn out. I suspect this is the most cost effective solution for US arms industry not the Polish tax payer. Will they get a refit before or will they just get worn out choppers, the US has done this before, dumping scrap Huey's with a South American nation. As for unmatched capability, they couldn't beat rice farmers, are Poland planning on spraying Russia with agent orange ?

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:00 pm

    I quite like the Cobra... but as mentioned it is getting a little old and the latest up to date versions are not that cheap anymore...

    Hey, they have an ABM system they need to defend... of course they should spend money on light attack helos... ???

    Just the old... if you want to be in our club you need to wear our old cast offs... Hinds and Fulcrums out and crappy only worn out Cobras and F-16s in.

    It has nothing to do with the capability or otherwise of the equipment you buy,and everything to do with being inside the United States apron of protection... now you can do no wrong no matter if you burn people at the stake or sell body parts of the people you kidnap and murder... or even if you use artillery on your own population.

    Not only are you no longer condemned for such actions but you can criticise Russia for anything you like with impunity because Uncle Sam has your back right?


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:18 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Bell Helicopter is planning to offer its AH-1Z attack helicopter to Poland for a forthcoming requirement to replace the Mil M-24s operated by the country’s land forces.

    “We can provide the most cost-effective solution and state-of the-art helicopter with unmatched capability for Poland,” says Joel Best, regional director, military business development at the US manufacturer. “We are very interested in co-operation with Poland and in next few months we want to create Zulu Team with companies in the Polish defence sector,” he says.



    Intriguingly, Bell is also touting the UH-1Y utility variant as a back-up plan in case Warsaw’s proposed tri-service order with Airbus Helicopters for 50 H225Ms falls through. “If something happens with the Caracal deal, Bell will be happy to provide an attack and utility combination, with 85% of technical commonality and significant cost saving,” adds Mike Gleason, international military business development at Bell."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/bell-helicopter-offers-ah-1z-and-uh-1y-helicopters-to-poland.html

    I don't know what they smoke in Poland, but the Viper is the most costly choice...But I get the Rasha Dasha vibe.

    Well, would be for start cheaper than AH64E i suppose. But i am not sure on long run as there are not really many 1Zs around, so spares might become a bitch.

    The AH64E doesn't fit in the Polish tender. It was never considered. The Poles wanted ToT for Tigre, they kinda got it, then it went to hell after the pussyfooting between France and Russia and when it appeared that Sikorsky wouldn't have any of that competitive shit. Factually the Viper will be MORE costly than the Tigre because the Poles will not get a spare production line.

    Also the Viper is not exactly a light attack Helicopter, it has twice the weight of the Tiger HAP, has lesser range than even the Tiger HAD and frankly will cost MORE down the years. But hey if Polsha wants to go that way...no problem.
    Hell the AH64E is lighter and has more payload cap than the Viper. But none of my bid'ness.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:39 pm

    Grazneyar wrote:Has Poland just become a dumping groung for Vietnam era second hand choppers ? They will be on the hook for spares as these will be worn out. I suspect this is the most cost effective solution for US arms industry not the Polish tax payer. Will they get a refit before or will they just get worn out choppers, the US has done this before, dumping scrap Huey's with a South American nation. As for unmatched capability, they couldn't beat rice farmers, are Poland planning on spraying Russia with agent orange ?

    AH-1Z Viper is newly built, but technology from it can be applied to old hulls. Poland wants newly built ones for sure.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:40 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Bell Helicopter is planning to offer its AH-1Z attack helicopter to Poland for a forthcoming requirement to replace the Mil M-24s operated by the country’s land forces.

    “We can provide the most cost-effective solution and state-of the-art helicopter with unmatched capability for Poland,” says Joel Best, regional director, military business development at the US manufacturer. “We are very interested in co-operation with Poland and in next few months we want to create Zulu Team with companies in the Polish defence sector,” he says.



    Intriguingly, Bell is also touting the UH-1Y utility variant as a back-up plan in case Warsaw’s proposed tri-service order with Airbus Helicopters for 50 H225Ms falls through. “If something happens with the Caracal deal, Bell will be happy to provide an attack and utility combination, with 85% of technical commonality and significant cost saving,” adds Mike Gleason, international military business development at Bell."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/bell-helicopter-offers-ah-1z-and-uh-1y-helicopters-to-poland.html

    I don't know what they smoke in Poland, but the Viper is the most costly choice...But I get the Rasha Dasha vibe.

    Well, would be for start cheaper than AH64E i suppose. But i am not sure on long run as there are not really many 1Zs around, so spares might become a bitch.

    The AH64E doesn't fit in the Polish tender. It was never considered. The Poles wanted ToT for Tigre, they kinda got it, then it went to hell after the pussyfooting between France and Russia and when it appeared that Sikorsky wouldn't have any of that competitive shit. Factually the Viper will be MORE costly than the Tigre because the Poles will not  get a spare production line.

    Also the Viper is not exactly a light attack Helicopter, it has twice the weight of the Tiger HAP, has lesser range than even the Tiger HAD and frankly will cost MORE down the years. But hey if Polsha wants to go that way...no problem.
    Hell the AH64E is lighter and has more payload cap than the Viper. But none of my bid'ness.

    Yeah i know it wasnt considered, but it would be better idea than Vipers at this point. Seems that Tiger has many issues these days, Australia and Germany are struggling to keep them flying.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:I quite like the Cobra... but as mentioned it is getting a little old and the latest up to date versions are not that cheap anymore...

    Hey, they have an ABM system they need to defend... of course they should spend money on light attack helos... ???

    Just the old... if you want to be in our club you need to wear our old cast offs... Hinds and Fulcrums out and crappy only worn out Cobras and F-16s in.

    It has nothing to do with the capability or otherwise of the equipment you buy,and everything to do with being inside the United States apron of protection... now you can do no wrong no matter if you burn people at the stake or sell body parts of the people you kidnap and murder... or even if you use artillery on your own population.

    Not only are you no longer condemned for such actions but you can criticise Russia for anything you like with impunity because Uncle Sam has your back right?

    I think Poles will opt for newly built Vipers rather than modernisation of used ones.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:50 pm

    You can't modernize old cobras to vipers. The fuselage is widened to fight more avionics, the structure is reinforced to have better protection ballistically aswell deformation in a free fall. They are always newly build.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:43 pm

    Werewolf wrote:You can't modernize old cobras to vipers. The fuselage is widened to fight more avionics, the structure is reinforced to have better protection ballistically aswell deformation in a free fall. They are always newly build.

    I said that "technology" from new Vipers can be applied to Cobras, that does not mean you literally have to refabricate them to be Vipers.

    Also you can evade widening of the hull with boxes that get welded to original fuselage and then with cabling, if you really want to keep old frames of some helicopter.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:01 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:You can't modernize old cobras to vipers. The fuselage is widened to fight more avionics, the structure is reinforced to have better protection ballistically aswell deformation in a free fall. They are always newly build.

    I said that "technology" from new Vipers can be applied to Cobras, that does not mean you literally have to refabricate them to be Vipers.

    Also you can evade widening of the hull with boxes that get welded to original fuselage and then with cabling, if you really want to keep old frames of some helicopter.

    That is what they do with Apaches and that is the Apaches armor sheme, the use the avionic "cheeks" as the main armor which can only withstand 7.62mm from long distances so the avionic modules are the first armor for the cockpit, not the best way to make a helicopter. The old cobras are ancient and have many failures by todays standards based on their flawed design such as the free hinge rotor system which caused significant amount of must bumping with fatal results.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:51 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Bell Helicopter is planning to offer its AH-1Z attack helicopter to Poland for a forthcoming requirement to replace the Mil M-24s operated by the country’s land forces.

    “We can provide the most cost-effective solution and state-of the-art helicopter with unmatched capability for Poland,” says Joel Best, regional director, military business development at the US manufacturer. “We are very interested in co-operation with Poland and in next few months we want to create Zulu Team with companies in the Polish defence sector,” he says.



    Intriguingly, Bell is also touting the UH-1Y utility variant as a back-up plan in case Warsaw’s proposed tri-service order with Airbus Helicopters for 50 H225Ms falls through. “If something happens with the Caracal deal, Bell will be happy to provide an attack and utility combination, with 85% of technical commonality and significant cost saving,” adds Mike Gleason, international military business development at Bell."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/bell-helicopter-offers-ah-1z-and-uh-1y-helicopters-to-poland.html

    I don't know what they smoke in Poland, but the Viper is the most costly choice...But I get the Rasha Dasha vibe.

    Well, would be for start cheaper than AH64E i suppose. But i am not sure on long run as there are not really many 1Zs around, so spares might become a bitch.

    The AH64E doesn't fit in the Polish tender. It was never considered. The Poles wanted ToT for Tigre, they kinda got it, then it went to hell after the pussyfooting between France and Russia and when it appeared that Sikorsky wouldn't have any of that competitive shit. Factually the Viper will be MORE costly than the Tigre because the Poles will not  get a spare production line.

    Also the Viper is not exactly a light attack Helicopter, it has twice the weight of the Tiger HAP, has lesser range than even the Tiger HAD and frankly will cost MORE down the years. But hey if Polsha wants to go that way...no problem.
    Hell the AH64E is lighter and has more payload cap than the Viper. But none of my bid'ness.

    Yeah i know it wasnt considered, but it would be better idea than Vipers at this point. Seems that Tiger has many issues these days, Australia and Germany are struggling to keep them flying.

    The Tigre is slowly becoming a Unicorn. But Poland wanted it because they could squeeze ToT and build their own Franken Tiger. Turkey pulled the same deal with the T129. Poland wanted a newer platform than the A129I so basically there was only the Tiger or their own hideous Pzl-W3 SuperGlushec/Hussar in the 3ton category.

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    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:31 pm

    "Poland’s Ministry of Defense is aiming to acquire 24 Boeing AH-64 Apache helicopters under its ongoing tender to purchase new combat helicopters for the Polish Air Force. The procurement, dubbed the Kruk program, is most likely to be awarded to Boeing prior to the forthcoming NATO summit in Warsaw.

    The forthcoming deal is estimated to be worth between 5 and 6 billion zloty (US $1.3 to $1.6 billion), according to the information obtained by the paper. The Kruk procurement was launched by Poland’s previous government as part of its military modernization program under which some 130 billion zloty was to be spent by 2022 on new weapons and military equipment.



    However, Polish Defence Minister Antoni Macierewicz recently said the program was underfunded, and that if all of the acquisitions are carried out, the program will total at least 235 billion zloty."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/polands-ministry-of-defense-is-aiming-to-acquire-24-boeing-ah-64-apache-helicopters.html

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    Post  max steel on Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:14 pm

    Poland moves towards multi-billion-euro Patriot missile deal

    Polish Defence Minister Antoni Macierewicz on Monday said he would ink a letter of intent with US defence firm Raytheon to buy a Patriot missile system valued at an estimated 5 billion euros ($5.6 billion).

    The EU member's previous government had said in April it planned to buy the Patriot system, but soon after coming into power in November the current conservative administration placed a question mark over the purchase.

    Macierewicz himself had said at the time: "The price is much higher, the delivery time much longer... in short, this contract is practically non-existent."

    On Monday Macierewicz said Poland was able to move ahead with the plan because Raytheon had pledged that 50 percent of the missile system spending would be on works "done in Poland by Polish arms firms".

    "That being the case, we're signing the letter of intent," Macierewicz said, quoted by the Polish news agency PAP.

    He said that meant Raytheon would be the "most likely" maker of Poland's missile defence system.

    The defence ministry had said in April that it wanted to acquire eight missile batteries by 2025, with two of them to be delivered within three years of signing a deal.

    The Eurosam consortium including MBDA France, MBDA Italy and France's Thales Group had been the other party in the running for the missile deal

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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:57 am

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — Lockheed Martin Mission Systems and Training has received a $36.3 million contract to install and test new equipment at the US Aegis Ashore installation in Poland, the US Department of Defense announced.

    "Lockheed Martin Mission Systems and Training, Moorestown, New Jersey, is being awarded a $36.3 million… contract for the installation, integration and testing of Aegis Ashore equipment in a deckhouse and deckhouse support building," the announcement said on Tuesday.

    Work on the contract will be performed at the Aegis Ashore site in Poland, and is expected to be completed by December 31, 2018, the Defense Department added.

    The Defense Department plans to arm its Aegis Ashore system to be deployed in Poland in 2018 with land-based Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) interceptors as part of the European missile shield.


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160810/1044112449/lockheed-more-aegis-poland.html

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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:01 pm

    Poland's Defense Minister Russia Responsible for 2010 Polish Plane Crash


    Antoni Macierewicz, Poland's defense minister, has promised to present a new government report that he says “leaves no doubts” Russia is to blame for the 2010 plane crash that killed Polish president Lech Kaczyński.

    “The actions of the Russian navigators and their Moscow decision makers had the aim to lead to the catastrophy of the Polish plane with president Lech Kaczyński and the whole delegation on-board,” Macierewicz told Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita.

    The government plane crashed near Russia's Smolensk airport in April 2010 whilst carrying the first official delegation to commemorate the 1940 Katyn massacre. The plane carried the Polish president, his wife, the country's central bank chief, several MPs, its most senior military and cultural figures.
    Two independent investigations ruled that the crash was the result of a pilot error. The transcripts recovered from the plane's black box were made public and showed that the pilots of the Tupolev plane were under pressure by senior officials to land in poor visibility.

    But Poland's ruling party Law and Justice (PiS), led by the late president's identical twin brother Jarosław Kaczyński, has long alleged that Moscow and former Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk hold some blame for the disaster. Macierewicz is the party figure most associated with trying to uncover the “truth” about what happened in Smolensk. Shortly after the crash, he put forward his theory of an explosion on board.

    When PiS came to power late last year, it promised to re-open the probe into the crash. The new government commission started working in March. Today, Macierewicz promised to present a new report - “probably within the next month” - that he says will prove the Russians caused the crash.
    “The choice is not if the Polish pilots were responsible for the Smolensk tragedy or if it was an assassination. The question is if the destruction of the presidential plane happened in the air because the plane was consciously allowed to fly with a technical fault, or if we were dealing with intentional actions with the aim of destroying the plane in the air,” Macierewicz said.

    The crash is the worst national tragedy in modern Poland and has left deep scars on Polish politics and society.

    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/polands-defense-minister-blames-russia-for-2010-polish-plane-crash-55199

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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:53 pm

    Stay classy Poland.

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    Re: Poland - US military relations:

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:15 am

    Poland will purchase 70 aircraft cruise missiles, long-range JASSM-ER

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2294211.html


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