The Russians are selling the Chinese their big powerful rocket motors in return for microelectronics technology... which makes me wonder what electronics technology they are getting.
Sounds like a great deal for both sides as new more powerful and reliable rocket engines will boost Chinese capability to operate in space, and the new electronics the Russians are getting is obviously something they want too...
80% of Russia's semiconductors are used in their satellites. They are using same microprocessor used in various radar systems onboard their satellites as they have DSP cores.
To be clear, the Chinese are selling Russia some microtechnology that Russia obviously didn't have before. It is not clear what that technology is, but Russia getting that technology is a good thing especially when all it cost them is Rocket technology they already sold to the US anyway, so it was not like it was exclusively Russian technology anyway.
China could simply have stolen all the relevant information from the US, but instead they traded information with Russia which benefits Russia and benefits China.
That is how adult countries should behave... negotiate and trade and help each other instead of stealing from others and trying to screw them at every opportunity like the US does.
As I said, it would be interesting to find out what technology the Russians got in this trade... this should make them stronger, and the new rocket technology will certainly improve the bigger Chinese space rockets too... they will be more powerful and much more efficient... they are excellent rocket motors...
Not sure if this was already posted before but it seems Russia's flagship semiconductor company Angstrem has been obliterated by American sanctions
Russia's major semiconductor manufacturer declared bankrupt
MOSCOW, October 28 (RAPSI) – The Moscow Commercial Court has declared Angstrem-T, the leading Russia’s semiconductor manufacturer, bankrupt, RAPSI is informed by the court on Monday.
This March, a monitoring procedure was introduced at the enterprise. The court included in the list of creditors of Angstrem-T the State Development Corporation VEB.RF, to which the manufacturer owes 14.3 billion rubles (about $225 million at the present exchange rate).
In June, the commercial court put on the list an 83.1-billion-ruble ($1.3 billion) debt of Angstrem-T to VEB.RF on the demand of the latter.
According to the applicant, the debt resulted from an 815-million-euro credit agreement made with the semiconductor manufacturer yet in 2008. Due to the fact that the debtor failed to comply with the repayment schedule, the debt amount was increased by the sum of the penalty.
VEB.RF said it acquired 100% of the voting stock of Angstrem-T in December of 2018.
Angstrem-T and Angstrem-M, subsidiaries of Angstrem Holding, were put on the US sanctions list in 2016.
JSC Angstrem-T was founded on June 10, 2005, for implementation of the investment project of establishing a submicron semiconductor manufacture foundry.
Angstrem is the leading Russian Semiconductor Company that produces full range of products from discrete components to high end microcontrollers and microprocessors
VEB.RF, Russia’s largest development institution, in partnership with commercial banks provides financing for large-scale projects to develop the country’s infrastructure, industrial production and social sphere, strengthen its technological potential and improve the quality of life.
Russian state lender VEB takes over chip plant hit by U.S. sanctions
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian state development bank VEB has taken over Angstrem-T’s semiconductors plant, the lender said on its website, after the company was hit by U.S. sanctions and crippled by debts.
Reuters reported in October that Angstrem-T had accumulated significant debts and was set to be taken over by VEB after failing to reimburse an 815-million-euro ($945 million) loan dating back to 2008.
A former owner of the plant confirmed it had been taken over. VEB did not immediately comment.
President Vladimir Putin has stressed the need to develop Russia’s domestic tech industry to make it less dependent on foreign equipment amid a broader stand-off with the West.
But Moscow’s efforts to manufacture Russian microchips and other high tech products have been thwarted by U.S. sanctions against a string of Russian tech companies.
NATO is working hard to deprive and prevent Russia from developing technologies that can help it advance both economically and militarily, just like what they are doing to China with sanctions against Huawei, what is Russia doing about this situation in the semiconductor industry? Will there ever be a time when Russia can challenge current electronics superpowers like Taiwan, South Korea and US?? China is catching up very fast, meanwhile Russia's efforts seem to be producing limited results.
That's not how things work. Angstrom T was faltering since day 1 before sanctions. It all started with those 90nm from AMD. They never recovered the cost. This has nothing to do with US, just typical Reuters bullshit. Competition was coming from Mikron plant which has 65nm tech already and able to do lower (45nm). Essentially it was uncompetitive the moment it came out.
VEB bank owned I believe majority of the shares as is. They just recieved the remaining after the other company relinquished it from the bankruptcy charges.
The equipment doesn't magically disappear nor does the building. VEB just either 1) is running it or (2) will be finding a buyer for the equipment.
Since this year Ruselectronics and Rostec have created a third party company together to work on various semiconductors for government, chances are they already obtained the plant especially since it was tasked to make the Elbrus 2C+ which is still being made for S-400 AD systems and Su-57.
Well the Russian state lender just took control of the failed company... so they can either invest in a full upgrade to make them actually competitive or strip it down and cut their losses and learn from their mistakes and build another company to fill the gap.
Put a tarif on any US owned competition to pay for a Russian competitor to be developed.
Roselectronica Holding Rostec State Corporation has developed the first domestic microwave generators needed to produce promising means of communication and identification. The new devices were created as part of the import substitution program of the electronic component base. Products differ from foreign counterparts with higher reliability and tightness of design. The new line of microwave generators, created by the Omsk Instrumentation Research Institute (part of Roselectronics), is designed to form a microwave signal in wired and wireless telecommunications, radar systems, automotive and aviation electronics. The developed devices are included in the "E-component database list allowed for use in the development, modernization, manufacture and operation of weapons, military and special equipment" by the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation. The main feature of the new devices, made on the basis of resonators on surface cross waves (PAW, surface transverse waves - STW), is the provision of pulse modulation of the output signal and high resistance to mechanical, biological and climatic influences. The generators range from 500 to 2000 MHz and are 21 x13 x7 mm in size. "Due to the lack of analogues in the domestic market, Russian manufacturers of communication systems are forced to purchase microwave products from foreign suppliers. Generators developed by ONYIP specialists are the first domestic products of this kind, which will allow to fully ensure the import substitution of this type of product on the Russian market. We have already actively started the supply and mass production of products," said Vladimir Berezovsky, director general of the Omsk Institute of Instrumentation.
The first module based on "Elbrus-4S" is launched in a series
Mass production of the Fastwel CPC514 processor module of the 3U CompactPCI Serial format based on "Elbrus-4S" (1891VM8YA) has begun.
The Fastwel CPC514 processor module is designed for use in real-time systems, critical infrastructure solutions, and data collection and processing systems. Taking into account the architectural features and advanced technological solutions, Fastwel CPC514 modules are designed for harsh operating conditions and critical applications.
The CPC514 model supports a 4-core "Elbrus-4S" processor, 8 GB of ECC RAM, as well as 64 Mbit of SPI-Flash for the BIOS and a 16 GB SATA SSD. The main advantages of the module are flexible expansion capabilities (4 connectors for installing mezzanine expansion boards are located on the Board) and a wide set of interfaces: 3x SATA, 3xethernet up to 1Gbit/s, 9xusb 2.0, video output 1920×1440.
Fastwel CPC514 is equipped with integrated hardware controls and is available in two versions: with forced cooling by external fans or in a "closed" design with integrated conductive cooling.
In the production of Fastwel CPC514 modules, specialized technological solutions are used that provide operation in conditions of high humidity, support for extended temperature conditions: from -40 to + 85 ° C, as well as increased strength and resistance to vibrations. These specialized features ensure that the CPC514 meets the requirements for use in control systems operating in harsh environments and high-level responsibility systems.
https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/134014/ The new Fastwel NM800 network managed switch
Fastwel, a Russian developer of computer equipment for industrial and special applications, has released the NM800 network managed switch.
The new product is designed for integration into industrial networks for various purposes and provides a total throughput of up to 80 GB.
The Fastwel NM800 allows you to solve a wide range of tasks: from connecting video cameras with a data transfer rate of 1 GB/s and supporting PoE technology to aggregating communication lines and using an optical channel with a bandwidth of 10 GB/s.
Thanks to its ability to operate in the temperature range of -40...+55 ° C and support for the network topology "Reserved ring", the NM800 can be used to build fault-tolerant industrial data networks.
Russian space systems has introduced 3D Assembly technology for microelectronics production
Russian space systems holding (part of Roscosmos state Corporation) was the first Russian public sector company to introduce the latest 3D-Assembly technology for microelectronics production, which allows mounting up to eight crystals vertically on top of each other instead of the previously used horizontal mounting on the Board plane. This allows us to significantly reduce the cost of devices for Russian satellites of the new generation.
The technology provides a high density of integration of components in one single compact package, which also reduces the cost of 3D devices in comparison with 2D schemes. 3D Assembly is used for manufacturing flash memory modules. The technology has been successfully tested and implemented in the production of onboard equipment for earth remote sensing satellites and navigation spacecraft of a new generation.Engineer-technologist of the 1st category of the RCS microelectronics center Tatyana Ivanova: "The application of the new technology increases the capabilities of the RCS in the production of the latest reliable and efficient equipment for spacecraft. We have already mastered the Assembly of four and eight crystals in one stack and plan to increase their number, try new build architectures, use new materials."
Now the microelectronics center is forming an insurance stock of memory crystals for further use in its own production when creating memory modules of the required configuration. Reducing the mass and dimensions of components and instruments makes it possible to make the payload of new Russian spacecraft more efficient and reduces the cost of launching them into orbit. RCS specialists are constantly working to improve these characteristics of the equipment, as well as to expand its functionality and increase reliability.
RCS has been operating a microelectronics center since 2017, which was formed to provide the holding's enterprises and the industry as a whole with modern microelectronic components — microprocessors, switches, signal generators, phase shifters, attenuators, amplifiers, microwave components and other products for use in the rocket and space industry.
That is good news. But the article writer is a typical journalist hack. This is not just some 3D flash tech. It is a general purpose stacking tech that can vertically integrate ICs.
Rostec signed a contract with Russian Railways for the supply of 15 thousand computers based on Russian processors
The state corporation Rostec will supply 15,000 automated workstations (AWPs) in the interests of Russian Railways on the Russian Elbrus and Baikal processors. The corresponding contract in the amount of 1.08 billion rubles was signed by the National Informatization Center of Rostec and Transinform (a branch of Russian Railways).
In accordance with the contract, the customer will be supplied with 1,000 computers based on the Elbrus processor and 14,000 machines based on the Baikal processor. In accordance with the terms of reference, computers are preinstalled with an operating system based on the Linux kernel "Alt Workstation", included in the register of domestic software of the Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications. The system contains application software, including a browser, text, graphical and spreadsheet editors. The equipment will be used to operate in secure networks using "thin client" technology in 230 Russian Railways branches throughout the country.
“The digital transformation strategy of Russian Railways involves updating the company's infrastructure based on Russian solutions, which will allow us to ensure the required level of information security. The supply of computers with domestically produced microprocessors is provided for in the procurement plan for Russian civilian microelectronic products approved by the Government of the Russian Federation, ”noted Evgeny Charkin, Director of Russian Railways Information Technologies.
The users of the new automated workstations will be specialists from information and computing centers, railway station directorates, communication departments, health care, traffic control, repair of traction rolling stock, maintenance of buildings and structures, capital construction, management of telecommunications resources, and administrative centers.
“This is the first large supply of domestic computers in the history of Russia in the interests of a state-owned company. Railways are among the critical infrastructure facilities where a high level of cybersecurity must be ensured. The use of Russian telecommunications equipment will ensure the absence of undocumented functions and ensure the information security of the system. Increasing the volume of purchases of high-tech products from Russian manufacturers is one of the priorities of the country's electronics industry development strategy. The measures taken by the Government of the Russian Federation to support domestic enterprises contribute to the creation of a guaranteed long-term market and ensure the technological sovereignty of the state ",- noted the industrial director of the radio-electronic complex of the Rostec State Corporation Sergey Sakhnenko.
https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/134803/
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Good news. The clowns at the Russian anti-monopoly agency quashed the initial attempt thanks to lobbying by Intel-AMD based manufacturers. Elbrus or Baikal are not a monopoly issue. Intel and AMD are a duopoly issue. In fact, x86 is a pure monopoly. The clowns in the agency are either rotten or idiots.
The first ever proper consumer review of an Elbrus computer. Previous reviews all used binary translated Windows and applications. This shows the test of a native port of Doom 3 BFG with updates that stress the CPU and graphics. Basically, with OpenGL of a reasonably recent vintage and a not so old AMD Radeon RX570 the game stays close to 120 fps. So the CPU is not the bottleneck and all the previous whinging about it being sub-par are BS.
But this testing is rather pointless itself in my view. It involves unnecessary dependencies such as the performance of the graphics card and the game is not exactly a universal test of the CPU. A better test would be SPECfp and SPECint. They use a suite of application modes such as "compiling", "shallow water model", etc., to give a sense of the relative performance of the CPU itself. So these tests are not memory bound since that would result in a pointless test exercise.
This was posted before most likely but is worth reposting:
https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/95446/
Эльбрус-8С (1300 MHz, 8 cores) — 13,03/17,02
Уровень производительности соответствует (int/fp):
So the Elbrus-8C has the same floating point performance as the Xeon X5355 with less than half the clock rate. Future revisions of the Elbrus architecture will include improvement of the floating point processing. The Xeon and AMD 64 FPUs are vectorized. I doubt the Elbrus has vectorized floating point. It is using its VLIW approach to sort of get vector-like throughput but it is not dedicated vectorization as with SSE (1, 2 and 3). So the above comparison is rather misleading.
Elbrus-16C is a promising microprocessor with the Elbrus architecture of the 6th generation. JSC "MCST" is developing it with the support of the Ministry of industry and trade, with completion in 2021. Its first engineering prototype, the Elbrus-16C, was demonstrated at the Microelectronics 2020 forum.
Processor Elbrus-16S — system on chip (SOC), which contains 16 cores total capacity of 1.5 teraFLOPS single-precision and 750 GFlops double technote, 8 channel memory DDR4-3200 ECC, embedded Ethernet controllers 10 and 2.5 GB/s, 32 lines PCI-Express 3.0, 4-channel SATA 3.0. It will support the Union in a multiprocessor system to 4 processors with shared memory up to 16 TB. The total number of transistors in the processor will be 12 billion.
On many points this processor should be the first in Russia:
The first 16 nm processor designed in Russia and based on Russian technologies. The first universal Elbrus microprocessor with hardware support for virtualization. The first microprocessor Elbrus, normally operating at a frequency of 2 GHz. The first Russian universal processor with 8 channels of DDR4-3200 ECC implementation. The development of this chip began in 2018 in Moscow. The resulting engineering sample is currently being studied. In particular, the Elbrus Linux operating system has already been loaded.
Confirmation of readiness for mass production is expected at the end of 2021. The processor will comply with the requirements for Russian level 2 integrated circuits in accordance with government decree No. 719 of July 17, 2015.
Currently, server microprocessors Elbrus-1C+ and Elbrus-8C of the 4th generation of the Elbrus architecture and Elbrus-8SV of the 5th generation of the Elbrus architecture are delivered as standard.
Too bad that the recent talk of improved FP units is not being implemented but nonsensical over-integration such as putting in an ethernet controller are. Do they want some cheesy consumer netbook CPU or do they want a server processor? With 16 cores one would think that they care enough about the latter but maybe it is not so.
I am glad it has various advances, but on-chip ethernet, seriously? Just more chance for defects to reduce fabrication yields and keep the price higher.
Without a serious revamp of the FPU(s), the Elbrus will remain an "also ran". I fail to grasp why they are taking their sweet time with it. Use all those wasted transistors on the FPUs instead of controllers. It is unacceptable to have a factor of 2 performance hit when using double precision floating point. Single precision floating point is literally sh*t. I run complex atmospheric physics codes for a living and for many processes double precision is not optional. Hell, you can even see round off errors at the cent level with single precision when doing some travel expense budgets.
kvs wrote:Too bad that the recent talk of improved FP units is not being implemented but nonsensical over-integration such as putting in an ethernet controller are. Do they want some cheesy consumer netbook CPU or do they want a server processor? With 16 cores one would think that they care enough about the latter but maybe it is not so.
I am glad it has various advances, but on-chip ethernet, seriously? Just more chance for defects to reduce fabrication yields and keep the price higher.
Without a serious revamp of the FPU(s), the Elbrus will remain an "also ran". I fail to grasp why they are taking their sweet time with it. Use all those wasted transistors on the FPUs instead of controllers. It is unacceptable to have a factor of 2 performance hit when using double precision floating point. Single precision floating point is literally sh*t. I run complex atmospheric physics codes for a living and for many processes double precision is not optional. Hell, you can even see round off errors at the cent level with single precision when doing some travel expense budgets.
More secure. Less chance of that a suplier insert same spiced up controller.
kvs wrote:Too bad that the recent talk of improved FP units is not being implemented but nonsensical over-integration such as putting in an ethernet controller are. Do they want some cheesy consumer netbook CPU or do they want a server processor? With 16 cores one would think that they care enough about the latter but maybe it is not so.
I am glad it has various advances, but on-chip ethernet, seriously? Just more chance for defects to reduce fabrication yields and keep the price higher.
Without a serious revamp of the FPU(s), the Elbrus will remain an "also ran". I fail to grasp why they are taking their sweet time with it. Use all those wasted transistors on the FPUs instead of controllers. It is unacceptable to have a factor of 2 performance hit when using double precision floating point. Single precision floating point is literally sh*t. I run complex atmospheric physics codes for a living and for many processes double precision is not optional. Hell, you can even see round off errors at the cent level with single precision when doing some travel expense budgets.
More secure. Less chance of that a suplier insert same spiced up controller.
For military applications yes. For HPC centers not so much. Die real estate is precious.
miketheterrible wrote:Performance wise of Elbrus 8SM was around a xeon of the more recent series. So I don't know why all the hate KVS.
Also, this is a prototype. Wait till newer prototypes are out.
Spare the hyperbole. Hate is an obvious mischaracterization of my post. Nobody is supposed to worship everything that MCST does.
Here is a fact for you: the Elbrus chips are supposed to be used in Russian HPC systems. So my comments are right on target. Hiding behind "military applications" is pure BS. That would make Russia a military-kolonka that does not care about it civilian economy. If Russia want to support domestic science and engineering it needs to stop artificially limiting its prime domestic CPU and get people who have a clue on the job. Right now it looks like the chip is being treated like it is intended for $50 appliances. Ironic given its touted "military" credentials.
Where is the improved FPU prototype? I guess it's not a priority.
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