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    Project Canada

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Project Canada on Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:42 am


    While googling something about laptop accessories, Russian computer brands came to my mind, so while doing my search I found this report from RT from 2009


    Asian laptop brands price out Russian producers
    Russia's laptop computer producers may cease to exist, due to tough competition with Asian brands. Only Rover Computers hopes that new import regulations will make its life easier.
    Large-scale laptop production in Russia began in the last ten years, as local products were a cheaper alternative to western brands.

    The market grew 100 percent year on year brining huge profits to domestic producers.
    The situation changed dramatically in 2004 after Asian brands, for example Acer and Asus, entered the growing Russian market with aggressive prices intended to build market share.

    Rover Computers was the pioneer on the home market, assembling entry-level laptops.

    Merlion followed Rover’s example and launched its own production line under iRU brand. Now iRU has already stopped producing laptops. In order to compete it needed huge investment and its shareholders decided that the project was not profitable enough. The company re-directed its activity to the desktop sector.

    The sole survivor – Rover Computers – now has 10% of the market and assembles 250,000 mobile PCs per year.

    The company’s management, however, is optimistic about the future.

    “Nowadays the share of so-called grey imports is significant. However, new customs regulations will soon come into force. All devices will have an individual tracking number. Thus the conditions will become tougher for importers and more favourable for domestic producers. So the market structure will change,” said Konstantin Kupchik, Rover Computers Director General.

    The company plans to increase its assembly capacity and almost double production over the next year.

    https://www.rt.com/business/asian-laptop-brands-price-out-russian-producers/

    its been 8 years, has this issue of Russian/locally manufactured computer brands losing to foreign brands been addressed by the government? with the current import substitution drive I think it is high time to look into this area as well Question
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:04 am

    No.

    Kraftway still makes them, so do others brands. Kraftway is quite huge in Russia.

    Not much else to say. Russia has healthy competition.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:46 pm


    Baikal Electronics started large scale production of microprocessors

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/91899/
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:16 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Baikal Electronics started large scale production of microprocessors

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/91899/

    The press release is very opaque but it sounds like this is pure domestic IC fabrication. They expect to go to millions
    of units by 2020 and use a 28 nm process. This is surprising since 65 nm looked like what Russia could get just recently.
    Clearly, there has been a lot of quiet movement in this industry.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:16 am

    https://vpk.name/news/180104_razvitie_opk_v_poiskah_putei_povyisheniya_nadezhnosti_elektroniki.html

    In other words, a lot of talk about how Russian electronics are behind, quality, blah blah blah. So the idea is to create a center to test it all and where the government can order from.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:03 am

    http://rostec.ru/news/4520237

    "Elbrus" will protect the plant from cyber attacks
    United Ruselectronics is involved in the development of a secure system for power facilities

    The United Ruselectronics holding participates in the development of secure microprocessor systems of relay protection and automation (RDA) for the Russian power substations. The system became a domestic computing systems microprocessor-based "Elbrus".

    The system is designed for installation on new and reconstructed substations, has a high level of fault tolerance that guarantees the absence of "bookmarks" and protection from unauthorized interference in the work of power facilities. In the "Roselektronika" the project is the Institute of electronic control machines (INEUM). I. S. Bruk has developed a range of microprocessors "Elbrus" and computers based on them.

    As the Deputy Director General of the United Ruselectronics holding Arseniy Brykin, in the framework of the program of import substitution today the company solves the problem of cyber defence, critical infrastructure, responsible for the livelihood of human settlements and the state as a whole.

    "It's no secret that many foreign models of computers contain hidden channels, allowing to silently remove information remotely to affect systems, disabling them, and even create an emergency situation. In contrast, they created a system where electronic components, design, software – everything Russian. This guarantees a high level of cyber security software and hardware and allows the use of this technique for the solution of critical problems," he commented.

    Create a secure system integrated into the automated control systems of technological processes of substations of the unified national electric network. It allows you to carry out the tasks of protection and control equipment in accordance with the IEC 61850 standard, equipped with self-diagnosis function and can operate without human intervention during the entire period of operation.

    The system microprocessor relay protection and automation will be presented during the International exhibition-conference "relay protection and automation of power systems-2017," which opens April 25 in St. Petersburg.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Singular_Transform on Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:17 pm

    Actualy this is the motibation behind all russia CPU development.


    It is cheaper to buy an Intel CPU, but very few person know actualy how many backdor implemented into each cpu.

    And that is not so safe for say an air deffense system.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 07, 2017 6:15 pm


    Article about 28nm semiconductor production, can anyone elaborate?

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2593209.html
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Sun May 07, 2017 9:22 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Article about 28nm semiconductor production, can anyone elaborate?

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2593209.html

    The 28 nm project is in search of infrastructure to save build time. They want to use the Angstrom-T fabrication plant but it seems
    that there is almost no communication. So the Angstrom-T plant is continuing with business as usual. There is no discussion about
    where they got the equipment to do 28 nm from (e.g. whether it was developed in Russia or bought from foreign suppliers).

    http://www.angstrem-t.com/eng/about-us/

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 07, 2017 9:29 pm

    Guarantee you it is Mikron who will get it. They have been pushing the 28nm and lower for some time now.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Singular_Transform on Tue May 09, 2017 12:03 am

    http://i.imgur.com/eezbRGE.jpg

    http://www.planetanalog.com/author.asp?section_id=385&doc_id=561004#msgs

    The 28nm is quite expensive, they need huge volume to justify that investment.

    It is not for low volume military/aerospace ICs .
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GarryB on Fri May 12, 2017 8:57 am

    Is there still such a thing as low volume any more?

    Everything has electronics these days including rifle scopes and most vehicles.

    If they are setting up networks for their military every node needs to have Russian made chips and components to ensure security...


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 12, 2017 4:33 pm

    From what I am able to piece together it looks like entire output of Elbrus CPUs is being scooped up by military so it prevents them from hitting consumer market properly even though they could.

    But it makes no difference. Consumer market already has access to various imported products, military gets locally made CPUs that they need and Elbrus gets sales. So far win-win.

    Here is another example: Belorussian company that makes military displays is about to launch products based on Elbrus processors:

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/93378/



    So one more Elbrus batch that goes into arms industry.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat May 13, 2017 12:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:Is there still such a thing as low volume any more?

    Everything has electronics these days including rifle scopes and most vehicles.

    If they are setting up networks for their military every node needs to have Russian made chips and components to ensure security...

    Small production lot with 28nm = 100 000 pcs.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:06 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/95609/

    RosElektronika has moved production of navigation chips (for GLONASS, GPS) to 55 nm and will move to 40 nm soon.
    Up to now production has been on the 130 nm process. It looks to me that there has been a rather substantial
    leap in semiconductor fabrication in Russia in the last few years. But I see no direct reporting on this.

    Looks like sanctions are not stopping this innovation. McShitStain should go and jump in a lake.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:24 am

    I was reading in. My understanding is, that some of this equipment like 90nm tech can actually produce at lower topology but of course in lower quantity. Awesome though!
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:01 am

    From what I can tell (could be wrong) they are gradually moving towards smaller architecture in small production batches that are picked up in bulk by military.

    I don't think they will be going for mass volumes until they reach the "sweet spot" in terms of architecture. Still some way to go there but they are moving in the right direction.

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