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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Project Canada on Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:42 am


    While googling something about laptop accessories, Russian computer brands came to my mind, so while doing my search I found this report from RT from 2009


    Asian laptop brands price out Russian producers
    Russia's laptop computer producers may cease to exist, due to tough competition with Asian brands. Only Rover Computers hopes that new import regulations will make its life easier.
    Large-scale laptop production in Russia began in the last ten years, as local products were a cheaper alternative to western brands.

    The market grew 100 percent year on year brining huge profits to domestic producers.
    The situation changed dramatically in 2004 after Asian brands, for example Acer and Asus, entered the growing Russian market with aggressive prices intended to build market share.

    Rover Computers was the pioneer on the home market, assembling entry-level laptops.

    Merlion followed Rover’s example and launched its own production line under iRU brand. Now iRU has already stopped producing laptops. In order to compete it needed huge investment and its shareholders decided that the project was not profitable enough. The company re-directed its activity to the desktop sector.

    The sole survivor – Rover Computers – now has 10% of the market and assembles 250,000 mobile PCs per year.

    The company’s management, however, is optimistic about the future.

    “Nowadays the share of so-called grey imports is significant. However, new customs regulations will soon come into force. All devices will have an individual tracking number. Thus the conditions will become tougher for importers and more favourable for domestic producers. So the market structure will change,” said Konstantin Kupchik, Rover Computers Director General.

    The company plans to increase its assembly capacity and almost double production over the next year.

    https://www.rt.com/business/asian-laptop-brands-price-out-russian-producers/

    its been 8 years, has this issue of Russian/locally manufactured computer brands losing to foreign brands been addressed by the government? with the current import substitution drive I think it is high time to look into this area as well Question
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:04 am

    No.

    Kraftway still makes them, so do others brands. Kraftway is quite huge in Russia.

    Not much else to say. Russia has healthy competition.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:46 pm


    Baikal Electronics started large scale production of microprocessors

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/91899/
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:16 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Baikal Electronics started large scale production of microprocessors

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/91899/

    The press release is very opaque but it sounds like this is pure domestic IC fabrication. They expect to go to millions
    of units by 2020 and use a 28 nm process. This is surprising since 65 nm looked like what Russia could get just recently.
    Clearly, there has been a lot of quiet movement in this industry.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:16 am

    https://vpk.name/news/180104_razvitie_opk_v_poiskah_putei_povyisheniya_nadezhnosti_elektroniki.html

    In other words, a lot of talk about how Russian electronics are behind, quality, blah blah blah. So the idea is to create a center to test it all and where the government can order from.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:03 am

    http://rostec.ru/news/4520237

    "Elbrus" will protect the plant from cyber attacks
    United Ruselectronics is involved in the development of a secure system for power facilities

    The United Ruselectronics holding participates in the development of secure microprocessor systems of relay protection and automation (RDA) for the Russian power substations. The system became a domestic computing systems microprocessor-based "Elbrus".

    The system is designed for installation on new and reconstructed substations, has a high level of fault tolerance that guarantees the absence of "bookmarks" and protection from unauthorized interference in the work of power facilities. In the "Roselektronika" the project is the Institute of electronic control machines (INEUM). I. S. Bruk has developed a range of microprocessors "Elbrus" and computers based on them.

    As the Deputy Director General of the United Ruselectronics holding Arseniy Brykin, in the framework of the program of import substitution today the company solves the problem of cyber defence, critical infrastructure, responsible for the livelihood of human settlements and the state as a whole.

    "It's no secret that many foreign models of computers contain hidden channels, allowing to silently remove information remotely to affect systems, disabling them, and even create an emergency situation. In contrast, they created a system where electronic components, design, software – everything Russian. This guarantees a high level of cyber security software and hardware and allows the use of this technique for the solution of critical problems," he commented.

    Create a secure system integrated into the automated control systems of technological processes of substations of the unified national electric network. It allows you to carry out the tasks of protection and control equipment in accordance with the IEC 61850 standard, equipped with self-diagnosis function and can operate without human intervention during the entire period of operation.

    The system microprocessor relay protection and automation will be presented during the International exhibition-conference "relay protection and automation of power systems-2017," which opens April 25 in St. Petersburg.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Singular_Transform on Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:17 pm

    Actualy this is the motibation behind all russia CPU development.


    It is cheaper to buy an Intel CPU, but very few person know actualy how many backdor implemented into each cpu.

    And that is not so safe for say an air deffense system.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 07, 2017 6:15 pm


    Article about 28nm semiconductor production, can anyone elaborate?

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2593209.html
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Sun May 07, 2017 9:22 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Article about 28nm semiconductor production, can anyone elaborate?

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2593209.html

    The 28 nm project is in search of infrastructure to save build time. They want to use the Angstrom-T fabrication plant but it seems
    that there is almost no communication. So the Angstrom-T plant is continuing with business as usual. There is no discussion about
    where they got the equipment to do 28 nm from (e.g. whether it was developed in Russia or bought from foreign suppliers).

    http://www.angstrem-t.com/eng/about-us/

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 07, 2017 9:29 pm

    Guarantee you it is Mikron who will get it. They have been pushing the 28nm and lower for some time now.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Singular_Transform on Tue May 09, 2017 12:03 am

    http://i.imgur.com/eezbRGE.jpg

    http://www.planetanalog.com/author.asp?section_id=385&doc_id=561004#msgs

    The 28nm is quite expensive, they need huge volume to justify that investment.

    It is not for low volume military/aerospace ICs .
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GarryB on Fri May 12, 2017 8:57 am

    Is there still such a thing as low volume any more?

    Everything has electronics these days including rifle scopes and most vehicles.

    If they are setting up networks for their military every node needs to have Russian made chips and components to ensure security...


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 12, 2017 4:33 pm

    From what I am able to piece together it looks like entire output of Elbrus CPUs is being scooped up by military so it prevents them from hitting consumer market properly even though they could.

    But it makes no difference. Consumer market already has access to various imported products, military gets locally made CPUs that they need and Elbrus gets sales. So far win-win.

    Here is another example: Belorussian company that makes military displays is about to launch products based on Elbrus processors:

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/93378/



    So one more Elbrus batch that goes into arms industry.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat May 13, 2017 12:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:Is there still such a thing as low volume any more?

    Everything has electronics these days including rifle scopes and most vehicles.

    If they are setting up networks for their military every node needs to have Russian made chips and components to ensure security...

    Small production lot with 28nm = 100 000 pcs.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:06 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/95609/

    RosElektronika has moved production of navigation chips (for GLONASS, GPS) to 55 nm and will move to 40 nm soon.
    Up to now production has been on the 130 nm process. It looks to me that there has been a rather substantial
    leap in semiconductor fabrication in Russia in the last few years. But I see no direct reporting on this.

    Looks like sanctions are not stopping this innovation. McShitStain should go and jump in a lake.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:24 am

    I was reading in. My understanding is, that some of this equipment like 90nm tech can actually produce at lower topology but of course in lower quantity. Awesome though!
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:01 am

    From what I can tell (could be wrong) they are gradually moving towards smaller architecture in small production batches that are picked up in bulk by military.

    I don't think they will be going for mass volumes until they reach the "sweet spot" in terms of architecture. Still some way to go there but they are moving in the right direction.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:44 am

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:13 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97524/

    Russian "oil" CPU ready to replace their rivals from US

    Experimental Russian processor srisa RAS, whose scope of application of the declared servers, tablets, all-in-ones, routers, and controllers of oil and gas equipment, showed in tests that he is ready to replace their foreign predecessors.
    Comparison of Russian and foreign chips
    Institute for system analysis, Russian Academy of Sciences (srisa RAS) compared developed in its walls, an experimental processor with two relevant foreign counterparts and, as can be judged according to the official conclusion came to the conclusion that they are quite similar in performance.
    In the test participated released in 2016 CPU the Institute 1890ВМ8Я with the original architecture, "the Divisional commander 64", which the Institute referred to as MIPS-compatible. Competition it was two chips from USA with the conventional MIPS architecture (Microprocessor without Interlocked Pipeline Stages), created in accordance with the concept of RISC, that is, for processors with a reduced set of commands. One of them was released in 2001, PMC-Sierra RM7000. The second — announced in 2011 NetLogic Microsystems XLP316.
    In a conversation with CNews head of Department of support of development of srisa RAS Sergey Sidorovexplained to this selection of rivals desire to test the range of chips used in products of the Institute. "RM7000 used in mass products, and 1890ВМ8Я need to replace it. Obviously, first and foremost, I wonder what will be the result, he says. — XLP316 the most similar in architecture to 1890ВМ8Я, and was used as a prototype in some dummy products, so the choice is obvious."
    Testing and its results
    As reported by the study authors in an article for the international journal "Software and systems", to evaluate the performance of chips used programming languages C and Assembler. With their help, it was built a testing methodology, which includes three successive stages.
    "At the first stage measured the execution time of individual processor instructions, provided these instructions and their data are in the cache of the first level. The instructions are divided into several groups, write N. Bikesand A. Godunov. In a second step, the measured efficiency with the structure of the cache memory of the first and second levels. The third compares the resulting measurements with theoretical estimates based on the results of the first two stages. For this purpose, synthetic benchmarks".

    The results of testing the Russian 1890ВМ8Я processor (4th column)with the American PMC-Sierra RM7000 and NetLogic Microsystems XLP316 (2 and 3 columns)
    From the point of view of the authors of the study, the measurements showed that among the studied processors, it is impossible to choose the leader in performance — under certain conditions each of them may show better results than the other two.
    "For example, computational problems with a small proportion of memory accesses, the fastest executing on the processor ВМ8 — the authors. To copy large amounts of data, in contrast, is best suited to the XLP processor on which the long duration load of lines in the cache memory kompensiruet increasing their size and their simultaneous downloading". The details of the methodology and full test results, see the original articleBaikova and Godunov.
    Some facts about 1890ВМ8Я
    As can be seen from materials posted on the website of srisa RAS, considered the Russian chip is one of two recently created the Institute of processors General industrial use. It is the most versatile in the scope of application, which claimed the servers, tablets, all-in-ones, routers, and controllers of oil and gas equipment.
    In September 2016 the "United instrument manufacturing Corporation" (OPK, part of state Corporation rostec) has announcedabout the creation of a processor-based 1890ВМ8Я army protected computer "Sunrise" for use in extreme conditions, including in the Arctic climate.
    1890ВМ8Я is a 2-core 64-bit superscalar microprocessor with domestic architecture, "the Divisional commander 64" with a built-in system and peripheral controllers, the cache memory of the second level and additional functions for digital signal processing. It is produced on 65 nm technology and is manufactured on the TSMC factory in Taiwan.
    Among its major features declared support for 32-bit execution mode of the instructions and addressing mode, the presence of real arithmetic coprocessor and a dedicated vector coprocessor, cache memory of the second level 512 KB (4 sections), 128-bit internal bus, 7-stage superscalar pipeline with instruction pre-fetch and execute two commands per clock, reading up to four teams in a single cycle.
    The chip contains two dynamic memory controller DDR2/DDR3 400/800MHz, two controller interfaces RapidIO, RapidIO built-in switch four serial and one parallel channels controller PCI 33/66 MHz, the controller serial ports RS232 (two ports), two 1000/100/10 Ethernet controller, the SATA 3.0 controller with two channels, host-USB 2.0 controller with two channels SPI controller (four devices), the I2C controller, 16 single commands, interrupt controller, five timers, controller EJTAG on-chip debug, the case of flip-chip BGA 1294 output.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:15 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97625/

    Ruselectronics has created import-substituting server platform TSP



    The TSP product line includes six models with different levels of performance. The solution can be used as a L2/L3 switch, router, firewall detection system and intrusion prevention, as well as a host of multi-service communications network as the IP-PBX enterprise-level mail servers, web servers and other servers services.

    "Import substitution is still one of the most pressing issues in the telecommunications sector and the IT sector. Many developers and manufacturers strive to obtain for their products the coveted status of telecommunication equipment of Russian origin (THORPE), — comments Deputy Director General of JSC "Ruselectronics" Arseniy Brykin. — As is known, such equipment must meet a number of criteria and to be approved at the expert Council. We have created a range of six TSP from TSP-500 and TSP-3500 depending on performance and the "stuffing". Each of them is a unified platform with different performance with the flexibility to build network interfaces and connections of means of information protection".

    The basis of constructing a hardware platform of TSP lies with the compute module format COM Express type 6. One of the major advantages of the standard COM Express is the interchangeability of modules. With a single standard and a wide choice of functional characteristics of the processor modules further upgrading of the system becomes fast and cost-effective.

    A distinctive feature of TSP is the ability to use the compute module from different manufacturers and architectures in the first place — simple module Е4С/COM processor-based Elbrus-4C development "INEUM them. I. S. Bruk". Moreover, instead of a typical COM Express modules, as the main computer can be used and SMARC module of the company "Baikal electronics". If on the platform to install the software "Scale" will be the decision with the highest level of attorney. At the same time with the hardware platform that forms the basis for TSP, Institute of "Scale" was developed by the TSP single Board computer-SBC (Single Board Computer), which allows to significantly extend the functionality of the platform. When used as a standalone product, embedded, SBC, designed for installation and operation in the TSP that are based on different structures of the processor (x86, "Elbrus" and "Baikal"). In the construction of the basic carrier Board is provided for mounting the SBC computer module COM Express format with an installed RAM and SSD mSATA.

    Range of platforms TSP consists of two options: TSP-OD designed for use in aggressive operating conditions, and TSP-ID — for use in stationary premises.
    Special attention is paid to developers of products resistance to external influencing factors, so its operation was possible in a variety of conditions. The basis was taken the GOST RV 20.39.304-98, regulating requirements for military equipment, ground equipment. As a result, all components of TSP are placed in galvanized painted enclosure with the following characteristics: depth 520mm (without handles), width 430mm (with mounts in the rack 480mm) height 44mm (1U).

    The creation of TSP was the result of joint work of the Institute, "Scale", University ITMO and OJSC "Avangard". Department ITMO provided the development of technical solutions to TSP and SBC. On the experimental production of ITMO was created PCB prototypes TSP. In the shops of the "Avant-garde" was made basic bearing designs of the product. "Scale" in the framework of the project carried out systematic work to determine the technical and functional appearance of the product, developed software that allowed seamless matching of the various processors. "To begin serial production of only one thing — to choose among the Russian enterprises of electronic industry who will be able qualitatively and in time to fulfill orders for the production of TSP and SBC platforms. The task of the research Institute "Scale" plans to decide before the end of 2017", — said Arseniy Brykin.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:00 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/100168/

    A new Russian processor

    Elvees releases a new 28nm processor.

    I have to say though, there are far too many researchers and developers of microprocessors in Russia. They need at least 2 or even 1 to stick to massive production.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:44 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/100168/

    A new Russian processor

    Elvees releases a new 28nm processor.

    I have to say though, there are far too many researchers and developers of microprocessors in Russia.  They need at least 2 or even 1 to stick to massive production.  

    Consolidating research is not a good idea and basically has nothing to do with production. They need to put the various
    research institutes in a UAC like structure and some select examples like the Elbrus can be volume produced for the consumer
    market. having 1 company do all the research is a recipe for intellectual stagnation.

    Also, the specific processor you bring up is not a general CPU and is a custom job for visual processing. It is not going to have
    anywhere near the general CPU volume no matter how much consolidation there is. But such low volume ICs are needed.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:48 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/100168/

    A new Russian processor

    Elvees releases a new 28nm processor.

    I have to say though, there are far too many researchers and developers of microprocessors in Russia.  They need at least 2 or even 1 to stick to massive production.  

    Folks will be praising this approach several years from now

    Honestly they need even more developers
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:32 am

    It's small pockets though. I imagine if resources are combined with lets say MCST, T platforms and the universities making the others (Komdiv processors) they could really create something amazing and to be used everywhere. MCST is close, same with T platforms

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