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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:06 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/95609/

    RosElektronika has moved production of navigation chips (for GLONASS, GPS) to 55 nm and will move to 40 nm soon.
    Up to now production has been on the 130 nm process. It looks to me that there has been a rather substantial
    leap in semiconductor fabrication in Russia in the last few years. But I see no direct reporting on this.

    Looks like sanctions are not stopping this innovation. McShitStain should go and jump in a lake.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:24 am

    I was reading in. My understanding is, that some of this equipment like 90nm tech can actually produce at lower topology but of course in lower quantity. Awesome though!
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:01 am

    From what I can tell (could be wrong) they are gradually moving towards smaller architecture in small production batches that are picked up in bulk by military.

    I don't think they will be going for mass volumes until they reach the "sweet spot" in terms of architecture. Still some way to go there but they are moving in the right direction.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:19 am

    Scientist from Sarov has created a coprocessor which is several times better than Intel
    http://www.atomic-energy.ru/news/2017/07/14/77667

    A young Russian scientist from Sarov has created a math coprocessor, which is several times better than Intel. The invention Ilya Asinine won the competition at the Federal level, and its Creator has received funding under the Presidential program of research projects. It is reported portal "finobzor.ru".

    Osinin is a candidate of technical Sciences. On the competition of Russian science Foundation from sent your "Modular-logarithmic mass coprocessor for arithmetic".

    "Development is a hardware unit for domestic processors, allowing to perform mathematical calculations on real numbers in a unique modular-logarithmic number system", — explained the specialists of VNIIEF.

    As he told Osinin, his invention works in conjunction with another processor. Your math coprocessor sarojani developed specifically for the domestic devices of "Elbrus-8S", "Baikal M" and "KOMDIV-64".

    Logarithms of Sarov "re" paired with domestic processors considers a thousand times faster than Intel, and complex polynomials — 3 times faster, and all this despite the fact that the clock frequency of the processor more Western 26 times. It is important to note that the cost of production of domestic appliances 17% cheaper.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:44 am

    http://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2017-08-17_protsessory_bajkal_priblizilis_na_testah_k?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    "Baikal" came close on the tests to modern Intel processors
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:13 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97524/

    Russian "oil" CPU ready to replace their rivals from US

    Experimental Russian processor srisa RAS, whose scope of application of the declared servers, tablets, all-in-ones, routers, and controllers of oil and gas equipment, showed in tests that he is ready to replace their foreign predecessors.
    Comparison of Russian and foreign chips
    Institute for system analysis, Russian Academy of Sciences (srisa RAS) compared developed in its walls, an experimental processor with two relevant foreign counterparts and, as can be judged according to the official conclusion came to the conclusion that they are quite similar in performance.
    In the test participated released in 2016 CPU the Institute 1890ВМ8Я with the original architecture, "the Divisional commander 64", which the Institute referred to as MIPS-compatible. Competition it was two chips from USA with the conventional MIPS architecture (Microprocessor without Interlocked Pipeline Stages), created in accordance with the concept of RISC, that is, for processors with a reduced set of commands. One of them was released in 2001, PMC-Sierra RM7000. The second — announced in 2011 NetLogic Microsystems XLP316.
    In a conversation with CNews head of Department of support of development of srisa RAS Sergey Sidorovexplained to this selection of rivals desire to test the range of chips used in products of the Institute. "RM7000 used in mass products, and 1890ВМ8Я need to replace it. Obviously, first and foremost, I wonder what will be the result, he says. — XLP316 the most similar in architecture to 1890ВМ8Я, and was used as a prototype in some dummy products, so the choice is obvious."
    Testing and its results
    As reported by the study authors in an article for the international journal "Software and systems", to evaluate the performance of chips used programming languages C and Assembler. With their help, it was built a testing methodology, which includes three successive stages.
    "At the first stage measured the execution time of individual processor instructions, provided these instructions and their data are in the cache of the first level. The instructions are divided into several groups, write N. Bikesand A. Godunov. In a second step, the measured efficiency with the structure of the cache memory of the first and second levels. The third compares the resulting measurements with theoretical estimates based on the results of the first two stages. For this purpose, synthetic benchmarks".

    The results of testing the Russian 1890ВМ8Я processor (4th column)with the American PMC-Sierra RM7000 and NetLogic Microsystems XLP316 (2 and 3 columns)
    From the point of view of the authors of the study, the measurements showed that among the studied processors, it is impossible to choose the leader in performance — under certain conditions each of them may show better results than the other two.
    "For example, computational problems with a small proportion of memory accesses, the fastest executing on the processor ВМ8 — the authors. To copy large amounts of data, in contrast, is best suited to the XLP processor on which the long duration load of lines in the cache memory kompensiruet increasing their size and their simultaneous downloading". The details of the methodology and full test results, see the original articleBaikova and Godunov.
    Some facts about 1890ВМ8Я
    As can be seen from materials posted on the website of srisa RAS, considered the Russian chip is one of two recently created the Institute of processors General industrial use. It is the most versatile in the scope of application, which claimed the servers, tablets, all-in-ones, routers, and controllers of oil and gas equipment.
    In September 2016 the "United instrument manufacturing Corporation" (OPK, part of state Corporation rostec) has announcedabout the creation of a processor-based 1890ВМ8Я army protected computer "Sunrise" for use in extreme conditions, including in the Arctic climate.
    1890ВМ8Я is a 2-core 64-bit superscalar microprocessor with domestic architecture, "the Divisional commander 64" with a built-in system and peripheral controllers, the cache memory of the second level and additional functions for digital signal processing. It is produced on 65 nm technology and is manufactured on the TSMC factory in Taiwan.
    Among its major features declared support for 32-bit execution mode of the instructions and addressing mode, the presence of real arithmetic coprocessor and a dedicated vector coprocessor, cache memory of the second level 512 KB (4 sections), 128-bit internal bus, 7-stage superscalar pipeline with instruction pre-fetch and execute two commands per clock, reading up to four teams in a single cycle.
    The chip contains two dynamic memory controller DDR2/DDR3 400/800MHz, two controller interfaces RapidIO, RapidIO built-in switch four serial and one parallel channels controller PCI 33/66 MHz, the controller serial ports RS232 (two ports), two 1000/100/10 Ethernet controller, the SATA 3.0 controller with two channels, host-USB 2.0 controller with two channels SPI controller (four devices), the I2C controller, 16 single commands, interrupt controller, five timers, controller EJTAG on-chip debug, the case of flip-chip BGA 1294 output.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:15 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97625/

    Ruselectronics has created import-substituting server platform TSP



    The TSP product line includes six models with different levels of performance. The solution can be used as a L2/L3 switch, router, firewall detection system and intrusion prevention, as well as a host of multi-service communications network as the IP-PBX enterprise-level mail servers, web servers and other servers services.

    "Import substitution is still one of the most pressing issues in the telecommunications sector and the IT sector. Many developers and manufacturers strive to obtain for their products the coveted status of telecommunication equipment of Russian origin (THORPE), — comments Deputy Director General of JSC "Ruselectronics" Arseniy Brykin. — As is known, such equipment must meet a number of criteria and to be approved at the expert Council. We have created a range of six TSP from TSP-500 and TSP-3500 depending on performance and the "stuffing". Each of them is a unified platform with different performance with the flexibility to build network interfaces and connections of means of information protection".

    The basis of constructing a hardware platform of TSP lies with the compute module format COM Express type 6. One of the major advantages of the standard COM Express is the interchangeability of modules. With a single standard and a wide choice of functional characteristics of the processor modules further upgrading of the system becomes fast and cost-effective.

    A distinctive feature of TSP is the ability to use the compute module from different manufacturers and architectures in the first place — simple module Е4С/COM processor-based Elbrus-4C development "INEUM them. I. S. Bruk". Moreover, instead of a typical COM Express modules, as the main computer can be used and SMARC module of the company "Baikal electronics". If on the platform to install the software "Scale" will be the decision with the highest level of attorney. At the same time with the hardware platform that forms the basis for TSP, Institute of "Scale" was developed by the TSP single Board computer-SBC (Single Board Computer), which allows to significantly extend the functionality of the platform. When used as a standalone product, embedded, SBC, designed for installation and operation in the TSP that are based on different structures of the processor (x86, "Elbrus" and "Baikal"). In the construction of the basic carrier Board is provided for mounting the SBC computer module COM Express format with an installed RAM and SSD mSATA.

    Range of platforms TSP consists of two options: TSP-OD designed for use in aggressive operating conditions, and TSP-ID — for use in stationary premises.
    Special attention is paid to developers of products resistance to external influencing factors, so its operation was possible in a variety of conditions. The basis was taken the GOST RV 20.39.304-98, regulating requirements for military equipment, ground equipment. As a result, all components of TSP are placed in galvanized painted enclosure with the following characteristics: depth 520mm (without handles), width 430mm (with mounts in the rack 480mm) height 44mm (1U).

    The creation of TSP was the result of joint work of the Institute, "Scale", University ITMO and OJSC "Avangard". Department ITMO provided the development of technical solutions to TSP and SBC. On the experimental production of ITMO was created PCB prototypes TSP. In the shops of the "Avant-garde" was made basic bearing designs of the product. "Scale" in the framework of the project carried out systematic work to determine the technical and functional appearance of the product, developed software that allowed seamless matching of the various processors. "To begin serial production of only one thing — to choose among the Russian enterprises of electronic industry who will be able qualitatively and in time to fulfill orders for the production of TSP and SBC platforms. The task of the research Institute "Scale" plans to decide before the end of 2017", — said Arseniy Brykin.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:35 am

    https://vpk.name/news/191222_minpromtorg_potratit_3_milliarda_na_zamenu_mikroshem_iz_ssha_germanii_i_yaponii.html

    The Ministry will spend $ 3 billion on a replacement chip from USA, Germany and Japan

    I think MCST and others are going to soon get a massive order from the ministry of defense.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:55 pm

    Sounds like some of those chips can be replaced with programmable ASICs. Much like with the Motorola 680** series of CPUs,
    these can be much faster and "debugged" compared to the original.

    http://www.apollo-core.com/
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:00 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/100168/

    A new Russian processor

    Elvees releases a new 28nm processor.

    I have to say though, there are far too many researchers and developers of microprocessors in Russia. They need at least 2 or even 1 to stick to massive production.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:44 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/100168/

    A new Russian processor

    Elvees releases a new 28nm processor.

    I have to say though, there are far too many researchers and developers of microprocessors in Russia.  They need at least 2 or even 1 to stick to massive production.  

    Consolidating research is not a good idea and basically has nothing to do with production. They need to put the various
    research institutes in a UAC like structure and some select examples like the Elbrus can be volume produced for the consumer
    market. having 1 company do all the research is a recipe for intellectual stagnation.

    Also, the specific processor you bring up is not a general CPU and is a custom job for visual processing. It is not going to have
    anywhere near the general CPU volume no matter how much consolidation there is. But such low volume ICs are needed.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:48 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/100168/

    A new Russian processor

    Elvees releases a new 28nm processor.

    I have to say though, there are far too many researchers and developers of microprocessors in Russia.  They need at least 2 or even 1 to stick to massive production.  

    Folks will be praising this approach several years from now

    Honestly they need even more developers
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:32 am

    It's small pockets though. I imagine if resources are combined with lets say MCST, T platforms and the universities making the others (Komdiv processors) they could really create something amazing and to be used everywhere. MCST is close, same with T platforms
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:37 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/101994/

    Ruselectronics started producing transistors for communication networks 5G

    Make note: they are talking about expanding GaN transistors for this production. Keyword: expanding.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:33 am

    In Russia, created a unique microscope able to "see" inside of nanotubes



    The invention will allow to begin development of the next generation of computers, which is impossible without evaluation of the properties of nanomaterials used. Russian engineers have published information about the unique atomic-force microscope in the pages of «Ultramicroscopy» eminent scientific journal.

    " Unique microscope technique to determine the change in properties of peptide nanotubes that can be used to cool the core of the latest computer processors. This will significantly increase their performance and will increase energy efficiency throughout the system. After studying nanomaterials, we can reduce its size. In general, the main task of the microscope - to get new data on the properties of nanotubes and understand where they can be used in the future ", - said the head of the project, Alexander Target of ITMO University, St. Petersburg.

    http://www.newsband.ru/4763-v-rossii-sozdan-unikalnyj-mikroskop-sposobnyj-zaglyanut-v-nanotrubki?utm_source=finobzor.ru
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:20 pm


    Russian Physicists Create First Working Secure Quantum Link Between Two Banks

    https://sputniknews.com/science/201712291060405982-russian-quantum-secure-connection/
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:02 am

    Not as "sexy" as the previous 2 posts but one more potentially important development...

    They're planning on launching large scale production of chips for multimedia equipment, which should cover more than 40% of the domestic market...currently dominated by foreign designs. Financing of the project has already been organised

    Large-scale project: Russia to launch large-scale production of chips ...
    Источник: https://politexpert.net/84398-masshtabnyi-proekt-v-rossii-zapustyat-krupnoe-seriinoe-proizvodstvo-mikroskhem?utm_source=finobzor.ru
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:02 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Not as "sexy" as the previous 2 posts but one more potentially important development...

    They're planning on launching large scale production of chips for multimedia equipment, which should cover more than 40% of the domestic market...currently dominated by foreign designs. Financing of the project has already been organised

    Large-scale project: Russia to launch large-scale production of chips ...
    Источник: https://politexpert.net/84398-masshtabnyi-proekt-v-rossii-zapustyat-krupnoe-seriinoe-proizvodstvo-mikroskhem?utm_source=finobzor.ru


    Actually very sexy but from different category. Economically very important. The question is:  hat is the size of market and how do they plan to capture it? Chinese, Korean or Japanese  manufacturers to replace own chips with Russian ones?

    The only way si to produce own equipment but no way you can do it with 6 millions of  USD in capital
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:10 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Not as "sexy" as the previous 2 posts but one more potentially important development...

    They're planning on launching large scale production of chips for multimedia equipment, which should cover more than 40% of the domestic market...currently dominated by foreign designs. Financing of the project has already been organised

    Large-scale project: Russia to launch large-scale production of chips ...
    Источник: https://politexpert.net/84398-masshtabnyi-proekt-v-rossii-zapustyat-krupnoe-seriinoe-proizvodstvo-mikroskhem?utm_source=finobzor.ru


    Actually very sexy but from different category. Economically very important. The question is:  hat is the size of market and how do they plan to capture it? Chinese, Korean or Japanese  manufacturers to replace own chips with Russian ones?

    The only way si to produce own equipment but no way you can do it with 6 millions of  USD in capital

    Aparently you can buy some equipment on the cheap...from the link

    At this point it is important to purchase the necessary equipment and establish the assembly process. After the release of the prototype and qualitative study of all its possibilities, it will be possible to start mass production. According Dantseva, mass production of such systems is scheduled for the period 2019....
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:20 am

    Cyberspec wrote:

    Aparently you can buy some equipment on the cheap...from the link

    At this point it is important to purchase the necessary equipment and establish the assembly process. After the release of the prototype and qualitative study of all its possibilities, it will be possible to start mass production. According Dantseva, mass production of such systems is scheduled for the period 2019....

    True, but I meant those are only chips not smartphones, ipods, tablets, smart tvs and so on.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:20 am

    Multimedia...what does that mean?

    Russia produces so far:
    Chips for top boxes - GS Group in Kaliningrad
    Microprocessors for desktops - Elbrus and now Baikal - MCST/Baikal electronics (T-Platforms)
    Microprocessors for controllers of various type - Baikal Electronics, Komdiv MIPS processors, Elbrus

    But the more the better.

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:

    Aparently you can buy some equipment on the cheap...from the link

    At this point it is important to purchase the necessary equipment and establish the assembly process. After the release of the prototype and qualitative study of all its possibilities, it will be possible to start mass production. According Dantseva, mass production of such systems is scheduled for the period 2019....

    True, but I meant those are only chips not smartphones, ipods, tablets, smart tvs  and so on.

    Tablets and Smartphones can technically use the Elbrus 1C but the issue is, no one is doing it.  Instead you will probably end up seeing the Elbrus 1C on alternatives to Raspberry Pi and replacement for controllers.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:35 am

    https://vpk.name/news/203956_processoryi_baikal_nachinayut_prodavatsya_v_roznice_cena_snizhaetsya_v_chetyire_raza.html

    Processors "Baikal" started to sell in retail. The price is reduced four times




    Russian processors "Baikal" became available for free testing everyone. Soon they will be available at retail where they will be able to buy individuals, and their price will decrease four times.


    "Baikal" — for everyone

    As it became known CNews, in the first quarter of 2018 will begin the availability of sales of domestic microprocessors Baikal in retail stores specializing in the sale of electronic components and devices. Processors Baikal-T1 will be sold in the composition of evaluation boards family BFK 3.1 (abbreviation: functional unit control), which produces the company "Baikal electronics" — the developer of the chips.


    In fact the CBF is a single Board computer without the graphics subsystem (specialized video card). In addition, for visual display fee, you can connect to an external monitor — video will be processed by the CPU.


    In the company explain that before these boards with processors "Baikal" was available only for legal entities, and their price was about 200 thousand rubles. Now BFK 3.1 in retail will be sold at a price in the range of 50 thousand rubles., although this amount may be corrected by approximately 5 thousand rubles., depending on the adopted system of taxation.


    The representative of the "Baikal electronics" Andrey Malafeev in a conversation with CNews explained such a substantial reduction in the cost two main factors. First, for the last time significantly increased the circulation of the processors that are manufactured on TSMC Taiwan factory. And secondly, the retail price was excluded the cost of technical support for legal entities was required.


    What stores will be sold "Baikal", the developers have not yet spoken, referring to the unfinished status of the ongoing negotiations.


    Where free can test the "Baikal"

    Wishing to test the capabilities "Baikalov" to their purchase can now do so for free. January 11, it became known that the efforts of the "Baikal electronics", and the faculty of computational mathematics and Cybernetics (CMC), Moscow state University named after M. V. Lomonosov on the basis of the data center VMK started the domestic electronics laboratory, access to which is open to all interested persons.


    Using the resources of the laboratory, called the Laboratory of electronics "Baikal" (LEB),it is possible to evaluate CPU performance and decisions based on it, as well as debugging application and system software.


    Currently a set of equipment LEB formed on the basis of evaluation boards that is family BFK 3.1. The server part of the LAB built on the platform of E-Class produced by the company "T-Platforms" — the parent structure in relation to the "Baikal electronics". With the development of LEB and planned increase in the fleet of available devices based on the domestic processors.


    Access to the LAB is organized using domains: baik.al and baikal.cs.msu.ru. Priority access to the lab is available to students and staff of MSU, members of the research teams in Russia and abroad. For all users of the LAB provide for reservation of computing resources, it is the administrator of the laboratory on request.


    The cooperation agreement between "Baikal electronics", and CMC MSU was signed in the spring of 2017 It provides use in educational process of the University of modern computing systems based on processors of the family, "Baikal", the research on performance analysis of such computer systems and search for possibilities of improvement, and coordination of efforts to monitor the fundamental, technological and technical achievements in the field of computing systems.


    Baikal-T1, copies of releases, the cost of development, consumers

    Baikal-T1 is a processor architecture MIPS (Microprocessor without Interlocked Pipeline Stages), created in accordance with the concept of RISC, that is, for processors with a reduced set of commands.


    Development of the processor was completed at the end of 2014, and in December "Baikal electronics" has transferred to the factory TSMC so-called GDS code products for its release. In may 2015, the company announced the release of engineering samples.


    Then it was reported that the development was implemented with the support of the Ministry of industry and trade with funding from the Department and the Federal target program "Development of electronic component base and radio electronics for 2008-2015" and investment companies "T-nano" and "T-platforms" (parent company "Baikal electronics"). The specific amount of investment in the project "Baikal" did not disclose.


    Next, the samples were manually tested, and the "Baikal" made sure they work properly. After that, the company at the end of summer 2015, submitted an application to the expert Council of the industry development Fund (PDF) under the Ministry of industry and trade to receive thematic loan to continue the project — start of serial production.


    In October 2015, the preferential loan was approved. At the level of private capital to 288 million rubles. the volume of this loan amounted to 500 million rubles-For the money "Baikal" in December 2015, placed an order for TSMC. In September 2016, the world saw the so-called initial batch of about 10 thousand processors.


    In March 2017, in the "Baikal electronics" announced the imminent release of the 100-thousandth of the industrial party. After that, the company ordered other copies, but to disclose information about their volumes are not yet ready.


    The main consumers of Baikal-T1 are producers of telecommunication equipment (routers, IP phones, storage, etc.), computing, hardware for embedded systems (industrial control, terminals, automotive systems, etc.). Consumption of processors in these markets, according to estimates of FRP, increases in the range of 7-15% per year.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:30 am



    Russia needs to build and produce their own Semiconductors at home.. not in Taiwan..
    Because the later is a puppet State of US and can be easily demanded by Americans to cut
    any business with Russia and they will need to obey their masters.

    The ideal computer industry in Russia will be one ,where Russia design and manufacture
    at home all the parts of a computer or at least the most complex ones.. like is the CPU,
    Graphic Card and Motherboard and the memories too. And also needs to produce the
    software too at home... and as a bonus develop an intranet.. that is a country wide
    private internet with the goals to expand it later to China all Asia ,to friendly nations
    to Russia. Movements like this will really scare Americans industry giants , the idea
    of a growing alternative to their controlled Internet. Later Russia can offer their internet
    through satellite world wide for free with limited speed and with higher speed for people
    that pays. and use Crypto Currencies to buy technology and IT services from Russia.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Project Canada on Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:20 am


    Russia needs to build and produce their own Semiconductors at home.. not in Taiwan..
    Because the later is a puppet State of US and can be easily demanded by Americans to cut
    any business with Russia and they will need to obey their masters.

    Yeah but how come the people pushing for import substitution haven't realized this? Semiconductor is a significant high tech industry so i cant see how they could miss this

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:30 pm

    Project Canada wrote:

    Yeah but how come the people pushing for import substitution haven't realized this? Semiconductor is a significant high tech industry so i cant see how they could miss this

    Because Putin is an Clueless Ignorant.. that don't know what he is doing ...  No

    My bet is US is waiting for the perfect time , to block Russia from using Taiwan manufacturing industry .
    So the whole project of balkai and elbrus will collapse as soon take off. No
    Russia semiconductor industry could be killed withing an hour in US Senate with a new Round
    of Sanctions. No  

    If Putin wants Russia to ever become relevant in the world , and be taken seriously and no longer
    disrespected and humiliated ,as they are every week , then Putin needs to promote REAL INDEPENDENCE.. and no
    a limited one . as they now have. no longer depend on foreign technology Business ,that Americans can easily block for them.  Is not practical that Russia start building every little thing , the west produce.. but that it needs to jump
    in the business of the future race.. like major electronic giants are , all NATO allies , and leave behind their soviet past.

    Russia needs to look at Japan ,South Korea ,Taiwan.. or even Israel.  far smaller nations ,without oil and gas ,
    that are far more developed than Russia in modern civilian business. Russia have everything to become the world
    leader in innovative and future looking Business , it all the resources at hand ,all the energy and scientific talent too.
    what it lacks is on leadership. and the correct direction. If Putin support for meaningless sports was magically changed for support for technology and science .. then Russia already will be at the level of Japan if not better in Innovative
    technology Future looking business. and NATO will not be looking to fight Russia.. but instead to get closer to it..
    Since every one likes to follow leaders..


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