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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:44 pm

    They already do through both Angstrom and Mikran.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:30 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    My bet is US is waiting for the perfect time , to block Russia from using Taiwan manufacturing industry .
    So the whole project of balkai and elbrus will collapse as soon take off. No
    Russia semiconductor industry could be killed withing an hour in US Senate with a new Round
    of Sanctions. No  
     


    Russia dual source the elbrus CPUs, the mil grade manufactured in Russia, the non important ones in Taiwan.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:00 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    My bet is US is waiting for the perfect time , to block Russia from using Taiwan manufacturing industry .
    So the whole project of balkai and elbrus will collapse as soon take off. No
    Russia semiconductor industry could be killed withing an hour in US Senate with a new Round
    of Sanctions. No  
     


    Russia dual source the elbrus CPUs, the mil grade manufactured in Russia, the non important ones in Taiwan.

    Same with Komdiv 32 and 64, various of Micron chips of 65nm and higher, Elvees chips of the same, etc.

    It's funny but technically Russia has two FABS. If you count the facility in Kaliningrad at GS technopolis, then 3.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:37 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/103276/

    From 2008 to 2018, the speed of the Russian processors have increased 10 000 times

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:15 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    My bet is US is waiting for the perfect time , to block Russia from using Taiwan manufacturing industry .
    So the whole project of balkai and elbrus will collapse as soon take off. No
    Russia semiconductor industry could be killed withing an hour in US Senate with a new Round
    of Sanctions. No  
     


    Russia dual source the elbrus CPUs, the mil grade manufactured in Russia, the non important ones in Taiwan.

    Same with Komdiv 32 and 64, various of Micron chips of 65nm and higher, Elvees chips of the same, etc.

    It's funny but technically Russia has two FABS.  If you count the facility in Kaliningrad at GS technopolis, then 3.



    The KOMDIV-64 (Russian: КОМДИВ-64) is a family of 64-bit microprocessors developed by the Scientific Research Institute of System Development (NIISI) of the Russian Academy of Sciences and manufactured by TSMC, UMC, GlobalFoundries, and X-Fab.

    So where is Russian chips manufactured...  again??

    TSMC =Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company...
    UMC = United Microelectronics Corporation.. .Taiwan.
    GlobalFoundries=  foundry headquartered in Santa Clara, California, United States.
    X-Fab =  The X-FAB Silicon Foundries is a group of semiconductor foundries, with headquarters in Erfurt ,Germany.

    Russia needs to be a real Independence nation.. and end its dependence on the west and its puppet allies
    for technology..
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:38 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    My bet is US is waiting for the perfect time , to block Russia from using Taiwan manufacturing industry .
    So the whole project of balkai and elbrus will collapse as soon take off. No
    Russia semiconductor industry could be killed withing an hour in US Senate with a new Round
    of Sanctions. No  
     


    Russia dual source the elbrus CPUs, the mil grade manufactured in Russia, the non important ones in Taiwan.

    Same with Komdiv 32 and 64, various of Micron chips of 65nm and higher, Elvees chips of the same, etc.

    It's funny but technically Russia has two FABS.  If you count the facility in Kaliningrad at GS technopolis, then 3.



    The KOMDIV-64 (Russian: КОМДИВ-64) is a family of 64-bit microprocessors developed by the Scientific Research Institute of System Development (NIISI) of the Russian Academy of Sciences and manufactured by TSMC, UMC, GlobalFoundries, and X-Fab.

    So where is Russian chips manufactured...  again??

    TSMC =Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company...
    UMC = United Microelectronics Corporation.. .Taiwan.
    GlobalFoundries=  foundry headquartered in Santa Clara, California, United States.
    X-Fab =  The X-FAB Silicon Foundries is a group of semiconductor foundries, with headquarters in Erfurt ,Germany.

    Russia needs to be a real Independence nation.. and end its dependence on the west and its puppet allies
    for technology..

    Bugger off, troll. You cite and example of a case where Russia takes advantage of global foundries and claim
    this proves that no domestic foundries exit. This is patent trolling.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:56 am

    Can you put him on ignore please? He doesn't contribute anything to the forums as well doesn't know what he is talking about. It's a waste of time.

    Instead, we can talk about real stuff like real development of Russian processors and Angstrom T as well as Russia's other tech sites and fabs.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:56 am

    kvs wrote:
    Bugger off, troll.   You cite and example of a case where Russia takes advantage of global foundries and claim
    this proves that no domestic foundries exit.    This is patent trolling.

    If Russia have domestic foundries.. then why he use Taiwan to manufacture their silicon then?
    or Americans industries? Because their foundries are primitive and not as advanced as TMSC ?

    Russia is way behind that even small nations like Taiwan and Israel or even South Korea in semiconductors
    and electronics.. And i don't see things to be better any time soon ,if they continue depending of foreign nations for
    advance technology . No

    What will Russia do if Russia banned from Using electronics from US and its allies? from the electronic giants?
    Perhaps that will be a good thing if happens.. that way will teach him to no longer depend of foreign
    technology ,specially the one that comes from Puppet states of the west. No

    Russia investment in semiconductors is a step in the right direction.. but will be a waste of time ..
    if they continue depending on the American Business world.. the one they own or control. Russia semiconductor
    industry needs to be done all at home . Thats what Independence really is.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Singular_Transform on Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:10 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Bugger off, troll.   You cite and example of a case where Russia takes advantage of global foundries and claim
    this proves that no domestic foundries exit.    This is patent trolling.

    If Russia have domestic foundries.. then why he use Taiwan to manufacture their silicon then?
    or Americans industries? Because their foundries are primitive and not as advanced as TMSC ?

    Russia is way behind that even small nations like Taiwan and Israel or even South Korea in semiconductors
    and electronics.. And i don't see things to be better any time soon ,if they continue depending of foreign nations for
    advance technology . No

    What will Russia do if Russia banned from Using electronics from US and its allies? from the electronic giants?
    Perhaps that will be a good thing if happens.. that way will teach him to no longer depend of foreign
    technology ,specially the one that comes from Puppet states of the west. No

    Russia investment in semiconductors is a step in the right direction.. but will be a waste of time ..
    if they continue depending on the American Business world.. the one they own or control. Russia semiconductor
    industry needs to be done all at home . Thats what Independence really is.

    There is two grade, military and industrial.

    The military , like the S-400 CPUs, C&C computer and so on needs to be manufactured in Russia.

    The other , second importance stuff can came from abroad.
    The advantage in that case is the lack of backdoor, like on AMD/Intel CPUs.

    All of these boiling down to cost.Russia is not the CCCP.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:01 pm

    Vann is just a retard.

    It's simple really, as you said. The military grade variants are usually 90nm and higher while Russia produces 65nm and higher for military and or government use. All others as said can be made at TMSC. China does the same thing, especially with their new upcoming processors that's a JV between Shanghai company and VIA of Taiwan.

    Already Mikron and Rostec are negotiating to work together once the lawsuit against rosneft and their parents company is done (they already came to an agreement) and the plan is to get financing from Rostec to upgrade existing facility to produce 25nm and lower.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:01 pm

    Concern "Almaz-Antey" has created a personal computer for the needs of military and rescuers




    All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Radio Equipment "(VNIIRA, a member of the Almaz-Antey VKO Concern) is completing the creation of a personal computer using exclusively domestic components, said Jan Novikov, the general director of the concern, Interfax reported on Wednesday.

    "Only the domestic component base, from the case to the microcircuit, is used in the product, which completely excludes any theoretically possible extraneous influence on the operation of the computer," said Y.Novikov, whose words are given by the press service of the concern.

    He noted that the holding expects interest in the new development by the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia.

    In the future, a separate production line can be opened for the production of new computers, Ya. Novikov said.

    According to him, another rescuer may be interested in another new development of the holding - a specialized robotic complex. 

    Work on this product is conducted by another concern of the concern - JSC Design Bureau of Special Machine Building. For the production of these robotic complexes, the territory of the North-West regional center of the concern in St. Petersburg, which is not currently in use, will be used, the report said.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:06 pm

    I wonder which processor though? The Baikal T MIPS or the VLIW Elbrus? The Elbrus 1C also has a igpu to it, not sure about the Baikal T.

    Guess they want to compete against the likes of others such as Kraftway in trying to get into the domestic computer market using domestic components.

    If they are aiming for another processor line of their own design, then I am not so sure about it.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Project Canada on Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:21 pm


    Medvedev confirmed: The state is not able to purchase Russian microelectronics


    The plan of guaranteed purchases of Russian civilian microelectronics in 2017 was almost completely not fulfilled. This was announced by Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Medvedev at a meeting of the government commission on the use of IT to improve the quality of life and business conditions. "The plan is carried out in quantitative terms by 13% for 2017," he said.

    Note that this assessment fully confirms the  recent conclusionsmade by  CNews  in the context of a detailed study of this issue. According to the editorial board, in 2017, with the state's plans to purchase domestic chips at least 18.6 billion at public tenders, electronics purchases can be traced at best to only 349 million rubles.


    What was not purchased



    "We oriented Russian manufacturers and government customers to purchase microelectronics, approved the plan," Medvedev said. - There are documents with electronic carriers, which are developed using microchips made in Russia. This is an electronic policy of compulsory medical insurance, passport and visa documents, bank cards, of course. Russian components should be used for the production of servers and computers. "

    According to Medvedev, the funds allocated for the purchase of domestic microcircuits can be considered significant. "Frankly speaking, they are spending badly," the head of the Russian government gave his assessment of the execution of the project under consideration.

    "We discussed with some colleagues who are present at this table: there are also subjective, probably reasons, and objective," Medvedev added. - But this is exactly the situation when money was like, and yet they are not used for the acquisition of our microelectronics. I think that there are problems here, including the organizational plan. They must be eliminated. "

    What else Medvedev sees as problems on the road to digitalization



    The above topic was touched upon by Medvedev in the context of the discussion of the state program "Digital Economy", adopted in 2017. In its consideration, the Prime Minister also noted the need to improve the education system so that it could provide the digital economy with literate personnel. "We should have more university graduates who have the basic competencies of the digital economy," he said. - More to produce IT professionals and more those who confidently use these technologies. It is important that people have the motivation to learn new directions that are in demand in the digital economy. This needs to involve employers. It is advantageous for them if their employees develop, receive additional knowledge. And large companies, including those with state participation, could create training services, courses. "

    Another topic touched by Medvedev, was the import substitution of software. "To support our developers, we have set a number of restrictions on the admission of foreign software to participate in public procurement," he recalled. - Municipal and state customers can only purchase programs that are in a special register. It is necessary to improve, by the way, the rules for maintaining this register. We need to take into account new programs that were created in Russia, and not only that the ownership of such software belongs to Russian companies. But this should be discussed, because there are pluses and minuses here. "

    The Head of the Russian Government is aware of the fact that state bodies retain the right to purchase foreign software if there are no adequate analogues in the register, but considers such purchases to be inadmissible if there are Russian programs that are similar in functionality.

    "We need to monitor this, including the Communications Ministry," he said. "Moreover, these things are rather delicate, and when they use various technical arguments in the discussion, they say:" We can not do this with such parameters, but we can not work with such parameters, buy foreign ... ". It is very difficult to assess this. But it is advisable to take experts from this industry, so that they subscribe to the fact that a particular software can not be used on this or that equipment. If experts independent of the company, including the state-owned company, said that our software is not good, then you need to buy. But I would ask you to follow this very carefully. "


    https://defence.ru/article/medvedev-podtverdil-gosudarstvo-ne-v-sostoyanii-zakupit-rossiiskuyu-mikroelektroniku/
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:02 am

    "We need to monitor this, including the Communications Ministry," he said. "Moreover, these things are rather delicate, and when they use various technical arguments in the discussion, they say:" We can not do this with such parameters, but we can not work with such parameters, buy foreign ... ". It is very difficult to assess this. But it is advisable to take experts from this industry, so that they subscribe to the fact that a particular software can not be used on this or that equipment. If experts independent of the company, including the state-owned company, said that our software is not good, then you need to buy. But I would ask you to follow this very carefully. "

    Is Dima really so stupid? Cannot believe this is just the way to hide bad will and state executives corruptive mentality.

    If you cannot achieve parameters with domestic change parameters for first release and wait 1-2 years to get what you need right?  or it is even worse those people are liberal who believe in"invisible hand" In any case no education but managers have to replaced by somebody with right mindset.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:11 am

    There may be a good reason to why they didn't blow all the allocated funds, especially in purchasing purely domestic.

    Elbrus-8CS which is technically Elbrus-16 is coming out this year, and the modernization of the Elbrus earlier iterations to work on DDR4 memory is also coming out this year.  Elrbus-4C has been the main purchase and a huge order was made to modernize various organizations in Russia to use it.  I believe majority of the defense industries, intelligence and police are now using systems based upon Elbrus-4C.  But there is also the introduction of the Baikal processors too, which are supposed to be used to various degrees as well.

    One thing is to talk about needing to purchase these systems, the next is the need to.  While it would be good to replace older systems with these new systems, there is some fundamental flaws.

    1) Software - not all software is optimized currently to use the Elbrus architecture.  It will take time for new software to be developed for it.  That also includes for very specific tasks.
    2) need to - A lot of industries in Russia were purchasing up super computers during the days prior to sanctions.  T-Platforms being the most popular of them, and also a couple other companies.  Their entire systems lineup were all Intel Xeon processors as example.  If billions have been spent already on these, why bother upgrading now?

    It will happen, but it will always be gradual.  By the sounds of it, they didn't even spend all the money allocated.  So it was really small number of purchases at current time.  This will change as new software and newer iterations come out.

    Key note is from above about Almaz Antey working on domestic PC's of domestic electronics.  Almaz Antey being one of the largest military companies producing such PC's will become rather popular among other companies.  It will take time.  I imagine a lot of the domestic computers being purchased up at smaller rates, will end up being used to test software to see if it will work as intended.  Where I work, we still use old HP Itaniums and older Xeons, while being specific on software only because we know it works with our systems.  After adjustments in systems are done, we use small amount of tests subjects to test everything out.  It takes years, before fully implemented everywhere.

    Can you imagine with major government institutions?

    It will happen, don't worry about that.  It will just take a lot of time.  They may even offer incentives for purchasing domestic pc's and software.  Those who do not want to purchase it, wont get the money or incentives.  Simple as that.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:21 am

    All articles coming from Russia should be taken with a grain of salt. There is a clear pattern of hysteria in many of them.
    I guess this is modern Russian journalism's attempt at sensationalist revenue generation.

    I cannot see how the Federal government can commit to any level of Russian electronics purchases. Most government
    computer buying is of the PC variety for secretaries. Sorry to say, but MS Office, Windows and Intel-compatible hardware
    rule this niche. Sure, there are Linux office applications, but people don't like to transition to them and prefer to stick to
    Windows. There are also Russian companies that sell these standard solutions and I am sure are lobbying hard if not bribing
    to keep the status quo.

    As for big iron scientific computing, here is where Medvedev and pals should exert some effort. They should make it affordable
    for Elbrus based supercomputers to be widely adopted by subsidizing them. Don't waste the effort of office PCs. I bet
    the original plan fell apart because idiots decided to fight in the PC Office market instead of market where it made sense.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:53 am

    kvs wrote:All articles coming from Russia should be taken with a grain of salt.   There is a clear pattern of hysteria in many of them.
    I guess this is modern Russian journalism's attempt at sensationalist revenue generation.

    I cannot see how the Federal government can commit to any level of Russian electronics purchases.   Most government
    computer buying is of the PC variety for secretaries.   Sorry to say, but MS Office, Windows and Intel-compatible hardware
    rule this niche.   Sure, there are Linux office applications, but people don't like to transition to them and prefer to stick to
    Windows.   There are also Russian companies that sell these standard solutions and I am sure are lobbying hard if not bribing
    to keep the status quo.

    As for big iron scientific computing, here is where Medvedev and pals should exert some effort.  They should make it affordable
    for Elbrus based supercomputers to be widely adopted by subsidizing them.   Don't waste the effort of office PCs.   I bet
    the original plan fell apart because idiots decided to fight in the PC Office market instead of market where it made sense.

    They are aiming more for office use with new software packages. But too many different companies making same iteration of Linux is major hold back. They are also looking at the market of terminals like used in hospitals.

    Servers are indeed their major market though. HPC's in general. Plus majority of news about sales to government agencies are rather new. Last couple of months.
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    Medvedev confirmed: The state is not able to purchase Russian microelectronics

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:47 am

    kvs wrote: As for big iron scientific computing, here is where Medvedev and pals should exert some effort.  They should make it affordable
    for Elbrus based supercomputers to be widely adopted by subsidizing them.   Don't waste the effort of office PCs.   I bet
    the original plan fell apart because idiots decided to fight in the PC Office market instead of market where it made sense.

    +1 however state agencies should also run Elbrus based office machines due to security issues, same with office software.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:13 am

    AFK Sistema and Rostek technically created a joint venture in the field of microelectronics
    http://tass.ru/forumsochi2018/articles/4963750

    SOCHI, February 15th. / TASS /. AFK Sistema and Rostek have completed the technical aspects of setting up a joint venture in the field of microelectronics, it remains to settle a number of procedural issues, Vladimir Yevtushenkov, the main shareholder of Sistema, told journalists on the sidelines of the Russian Investment Forum in Sochi.

    "We created [a joint venture with Rostekh]. We will issue a government decree, and it will be considered that we created it," Yevtushenkov said. According to him, technical details have already been negotiated, "procedural things remained."

    The JV includes seven enterprises from the AFK side: the assets of the NIIME Group (part of the RTI concern) and the assets of Micron. On the part of Rostekh, the joint venture included 15 enterprises of the RosElectronics group of companies.
    In June of this year, AFK Sistema and Russian Electronics (part of the Rostekh state corporation) signed an agreement on intentions to create a joint company in the field of microelectronics. It was assumed that AFC will get control in the joint venture. Then it was noted that the deal to create the merged company is supposedly to be closed before the end of the first quarter of 2018. However, at the end of 2017, the head of Rostek, Sergei Chemezov, said that the state corporation had frozen the project with AFK Sistema to unite the assets in the electronics sector because of courts of the AFC with Rosneft.

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    ARPE: Russia should take 3% of the world electronics market for the development of the digital economy
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    MOSCOW, June 28. / TASS /. Russia now occupies only 0.3% of the world electronics market. However, for the successful development of the digital economy in the future, the country needs to increase its share to 3% by 2035, said Ivan Pokrovsky, Executive Director of the Association of Electronics Developers and Manufacturers (ARPE) at the conference "Russian Electronics: Finding New Growth Points".

    According to him, the task of the state in this situation is to adjust the regulation in such a way that there is an opportunity for creative competition, "compensating" a little for the backlog of Russian companies from foreign companies at the start. Pokrovsky believes that it is necessary to make the electronics industry in Russia profitable (now it is subsidized).

    "0.3% of the world market is the level from which you can only roll down." The industry can not develop with modern requirements of scale of activity if we occupy a minimum of 3% of the world market. We need to somehow overcome this gap. a ticket to the development of technology, "Pokrovsky said, stressing that without this it will be impossible to successfully develop the digital economy in the future.

    Now in the global electronics market the situation is such that a number of transnational companies "take all investment resources from the market, others do not have anything left," the expert added.

    In his view, for the successful development of Russian electronics, it is necessary to identify 6-8 priority areas and ensure the emergence of 12 companies with billions of turnover, the total revenue of which should be 25 billion rubles. "These are the guidelines that we need to adjust to," Pokrovsky said.

    One of the indicators that the state "correctly adjusted development," will be an increase in investment in the electronics industry of distribution companies, system integrators and telecom operators and other IT services. When such companies become profitable to invest in development and production, the industry will develop very quickly, Pokrovsky is sure.

    Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation Andrey Belousov, commenting on the situation, noted that the support of Russian electronics by the state up to the present moment was reduced to subsidizing various kinds of expenses. "It's clear that such a support model is running out pretty quickly," he said. "A year ago, we connected another form, an attempt to consolidate state demand and focus it on Russian producers."

    He specified that this mechanism was only concerned with microelectronics. "We have one and a half enterprises there -" Mikron "and" Angstrom-T "as a half," Belousov said.

    Now, in his opinion, the situation is changing, and it is necessary to define "the forms of development that need to be created in the next three to five years." Belousov suggested that representatives of the electronics industry within a week prepare proposals for the regulation of the program for the development of the digital economy of Russia, which will be considered on July 5 at the Presidential Council on Strategic Development and Priority Projects.

    In addition, Belousov also proposed the creation of a working group of developers and electronics manufacturers, which will develop its proposals to increase import duties on electronics. He did not rule out that in case of urgent need it is possible to introduce temporary duties at the level of Russia.

    Chances to reach 3% exist
    Chairman of the Board of Directors of the company "Altonika radio systems" Alexander Sheptovetsky believes that Russia has a chance to increase its share to 3% in the global electronics market. "But in the world of electronics, there are three trends - auto electronics, gadgets, IoT (Internet of things - ed., TASS), we do not have much of anything in auto electronics, we can move there, but we will not be in time for global players.In the field of gadgets, we need to move to the market, and this is mainly South-East Asia - it's also hard with our conditions, regulators, etc. It remains IoT - Russia in this area can take its place, "he said.

    Vasily Brovko, the director for special assignments of the state corporation Rostek, said that the problem of Russian electronics is that it is not competitive in terms of product characteristics, and for its development it is necessary to actively include partnerships and buy Russian players. "If we do not grow at this rate (22.5% per year) and we do not reduce the difference in size between us and our competitors, we will simply be absorbed at some point," he said.

    At the same time, Russian electronics should be supplied not only to the domestic market, but also to the international market, Brovko believes. To do this, Russian electronics need, first of all, to increase their own efficiency, as well as develop new products and key technologies.

    The program currently under development for the development of the digital economy in Russia will provide "the maximum multiplier effect for the Russian industry," Brovko believes. "There will be no Russian industry if it is not digital, if it does not meet the current challenges of the 21st century, and these challenges are electronics," he stressed.

    Consortia are needed
    Andrei Bezrukov, the strategic marketing director of the GS Group holding, is confident that the basis of the digital economy is electronics. "It is quite difficult to build an independent international subject Russia by 2035, without advanced technology, without making a bet on Russian electronics," he said. In addition, it is important for the digital economy to create communities and consortia, Bezrukov added.

    The need to create consortia in the development of the digital economy in the framework of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum in June this year, said the head of the Center for Strategic Research Alexei Kudrin. He noted that, according to the organization, in the next two to three years in Russia, it is necessary to create from 15 to 20 such consortia.

    Bezrukov believes that the goal - to take 3% of the world electronics market by 2035 - should be fixed at the legislative level. "Obviously, if we want Russia as a leader and an independent country in 2035, we need to attend to it now." We are not on the threshold, we have already completely plunged into this new world, "he said. Earlier GS Group together with other large private players of the Russian electronics industry - Zelax, Atol, Etalon Factory and Svyaz Engineering - created ARPE, whose goal is to develop the industry and dialogue with the state.

    "We, as an investor, have already invested more than 6 billion rubles in the creation and production, and competencies, several thousand jobs, training of personnel." We are ready to invest the same order of magnitude in the case if Russia really does appear (the goal is to achieve 3% of the world electronics market - Ed. Tass), "Bezrukov added.

    Requires project office
    According to Bezrukov, to improve business interaction with ministries and departments, it is necessary to create a project office within the government of the Russian Federation for the development of information technology, electronics and the digital economy. "We believe that this initiative is timely, it will improve coordination and help implement many programs, including the program for the development of Russia's digital economy," he said.

    According to ARPE, there are more than 3,000 companies (developers and manufacturers) in the electronics industry in Russia, about 500 of them are controlled by the state, the rest - private. The annual sales of electronic equipment are estimated at $ 10 billion.

    TASS together with the Association of Developers and Electronics Manufacturers are the organizers of the conference "Russian Electronics: Finding New Points of Growth".

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    Look, I understand you wish for Russia to have all these mega corporations to appear everywhere around the world.  But judging by your comments, you seem to really lack basic concept of world affairs.  You think its equal trade.  It isn't.  NAFTA exists as a method to have control of the auto market between countries of Canada, US and Mexico.  Hence why here in Canada you do not see Renault, Datsun, Tata Motors, Ashok Leland, Mahindra, Great Wall, or other motor brands.

    Lets be real here, Russia already has its Toyota.  Its called Avtovaz.  

    Actually Avtovaz is like 50%- blocking share in Renault's hands since 2014 but localization level is huge. Russia IMHO has ost of chance sin new industries (industry 4.0 if you prefer) so IoT, all around robotization  , cognitive systems, additive manufacturing, genetic  engineering.[/quote]
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:40 pm

    Predictions about market share are a joke. The focus should be on developing innovative solutions at affordable prices. And
    having the manufacturing capacity to deliver.

    The developers of the Elbrus processor need to put a true 64 bit version does not have any FLOP penalty from doing double precision
    math. Single precision is crap for many scientific computations. Test this by doing some accounting with a single precision program.
    For sums not exceeding $10,000 you will see errors in the tens of cents and cents categories.

    The aim should be to develop a serious processor for supercomputers. They could have a consumer variant but you get no 64 bit math penalty in AMD and Intel consumer processors.

    Russia could take advantage of the coming transition to super-massive parallel computing using GPU-like processors. GPU processors
    require serious code changes since they cannot handle branching. Some sort of code manipulator can be designed that isolates branches
    and calculates all of them at once explicitly instead of relying on branch prediction in hardware. Such code tools are not trivial to design
    and Russian abstract software knowhow is world class.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:49 pm

    Well, GPU processors are VLIW, which is what Elbrus processors are. Their method of 64bit computing works in raw power which in this case, I agree, they need 64bit instructions by default these days. The path forward is rather set and their new Elbrus 8SM sounds promising. So I ha e faith in MCST (Don't forget, their the innovator initially with dual core processing).

    I am quite intrigued by their 64bits MIPS processor. Too bad it's rather limited to research and some applications only
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:42 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/104263/

    JSC "Angstrem" has completed the creation of 95 types of power transistors



    In the implementation of development work "Power-I8" the specialists of JSC "Angstrem" has developed 95 types of power transistors medium and high power. These products replace more than 1,000 foreign counterparts. The work was performed in the framework of the state program of import substitution. In December 2017 the customer was put all products under reference. Transistors made on three technologies: LOW CHARGE, TRENCH and LOW Space CHARGE. "Angstrom" is ready to accept orders for mass production and shipment of new transistors.

    Today only a few countries in the world possess the competence for the production of microelectronics capable of operating in extreme conditions. In 2015, Russia has announced a number of tenders for the execution of development works (ROC) in the framework of the state program "Development of industry and increasing its competitiveness." The most ambitious Akram was "Force-I8", which included the creation of 95 types of transistors are General-purpose. The specialists of "Angstrom" was to develop a series of powerful fast-acting n - and p-channel MOS (metal-oxide-semiconductor) transistors in plastic and hermetic ceramic-metal housings that will replace imported counterparts.

    In December 2017 the customer was put all products under the assignment:

    n-channel transistors in plastic enclosures covers a range from 30 V to 1500 V;

    p — channel transistors in plastic housings from -30 V to -200 V;

    n-channel transistors in metal-ceramic housings from 30 V to 900 V;

    p — channel transistors in metal-ceramic housings -30 V to -200 V.

    Transistors made on three technologies: LOW CHARGE, TRENCH and LOW Space CHARGE.

    The application of the new transistors are so wide that allows to speak about a large-scale replacement of foreign ECB: automation systems, control systems, actuators, drivers, switches, power supplies. One of the most promising areas of use of the new transistors are the control system of road transport, including electric and robotic.

    Director of the center for microelectronics, chief designer of JSC "Angstrom": "It was a very difficult job. In a short period of time we had to develop, produce test samples, and then pass almost a hundred products to the customer. We did that talks about our ability to continue to create and produce modern electronic components for the domestic industry. We are now ready to replace imported power electronics on the Railways, in housing and in the automotive industry".

    Simultaneously with Okra "Power-I8" in 2015 "Angstrem" has won the right to perform two other works: "Power-14" (commissioned in 2017) and "Sila-16" (delivery in 2018).

    Angstrem annually launches the serial production of not less than 50 new types of integrated circuits, microprocessors and transistors for industrial and special purposes. Over the past three years has been updated about 20% of its production of 2000 items.
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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:45 am

    Elbrus 101-RS Minicomputer





    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/105221/

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:01 pm


    Russia latest computers and processors is really good news..
    a good step in the right direction.. and Russia needs to continue pushing in this direction..
    the more ambitious the better.. The cold war is already visible and Russia will need full
    independence from the west in technology. Including civilians use and for entertainment too.
    and create strong alternative to what American Technology Giants are doing.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:24 pm

    How good are these new processor developed in Russia ?

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/106116/

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