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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:57 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    They aren't bombing anywhere in libya.

    Yet his forces are defeating the LNA right now.

    They aren't bombing anywhere because they lost one of their fighters and are too afraid to get back into the fight.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:42 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:LNA looking like they going to lose Tripoli international airport.

    How much we bet that Haftar wins? Smile

    Depends on his own or with international aid? because at this point he ain't winning unless a major player starts helping him actively.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:49 pm

    The military downed an islamist Mirage F-1 yesterday. Tail:

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    Post  Aristide on Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:42 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:LNA looking like they going to lose Tripoli international airport.

    How much we bet that Haftar wins? Smile

    Depends on his own or with international aid? because at this point he ain't winning unless a major player starts helping him actively.

    He already won. He won 90% of teh country. Has full support of France, Russia and Trump.

    We want a military dictator in Libya and i´m qute sure we will get one.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:10 am

    Aristide wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:LNA looking like they going to lose Tripoli international airport.

    How much we bet that Haftar wins? Smile

    Depends on his own or with international aid? because at this point he ain't winning unless a major player starts helping him actively.

    He already won. He won 90% of teh country. Has full support of France, Russia and Trump.

    We want a military dictator in Libya and i´m qute sure we will get one.

    He only wins when his forces seize the capital, All those nations are just supporting him with words nothing more.

    Words in politics are worthless.

    But hey if you want to consider words meaningful Lazrov called for Haftar to seize his "advance" seven or so hours ago.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:18 am

    Both sides are composed of militias. There is no army and no one will control anything in Lybia for a long time.

    Investing in this country right now is worthless. Even stupid.

    Even if he got the capital, it will be as safe for him as Baghdad is for GIs.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:28 am



    He already won. He won 90% of teh country. Has full support of France, Russia and Trump.

    We want a military dictator in Libya and i´m qute sure we will get one.

    In the meantime, the military continues its operations to regain the rest of the country. Islamists have been successfully driven away from Ghaylan all the way to Aziziyah. M109 howitzers were extensively used in the operation. attack

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    Top brass in Tobruk plans the operations for the next month. study study

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    Post  MiamiMachineShop on Fri May 03, 2019 3:44 am

    The Libyan National Army (LNA) has imposed control of the area of al-Sbeaa south of the Libyan capital, Tripoli, the army’s media office confirmed on May 2.

    Al-Sbeaa is located on a key highway leading to the southern part of Tripoli. The area links the Libyan capital, which is controlled by forces loyal to the Government of National Accord (GNA), with the towns recently captured by the LNA in the southern part of the country.

    Over the last few days, pro-GNA forces launched several counter attacks and even attempted to flank LNA forces south of Tripoli. However, these attempts failed and the LNA is apparently still advancing towards the capital.

    The upcoming few days will likely witness more advance by the LNA, whose leadership is still determined to capture Tripoli as soon as possible. The GNA’s failed counter-attacks may have weakened the defensive positions around the capital.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat May 04, 2019 9:09 am

    MiamiMachineShop wrote:The Libyan National Army (LNA) has imposed control of the area of al-Sbeaa south of the Libyan capital, Tripoli, the army’s media office confirmed on May 2.

    Al-Sbeaa is located on a key highway leading to the southern part of Tripoli. The area links the Libyan capital, which is controlled by forces loyal to the Government of National Accord (GNA), with the towns recently captured by the LNA in the southern part of the country.

    Over the last few days, pro-GNA forces launched several counter attacks and even attempted to flank LNA forces south of Tripoli. However, these attempts failed and the LNA is apparently still advancing towards the capital.

    The upcoming few days will likely witness more advance by the LNA, whose leadership is still determined to capture Tripoli as soon as possible. The GNA’s failed counter-attacks may have weakened the defensive positions around the capital.

    They already lost that position.
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    Post  George1 on Sun May 19, 2019 10:14 am

    Turkish armored vehicles Kirpi II in Libya

    Erdogan began on a grand scale to fulfill the recent promise to render all possible support to the Government of National Accord (Unity) led by Faiz Sarraj against Field Marshal Haftar, the Libyan National Army. Let me remind you that in late April, in a conversation with Sarraj, Erdogan promised to stand firm on the side of the PNS and use all the opportunities of Turkey to say: "prevent a plot against the Libyan people."

    Judging by the photos and videos that appeared today [May 18, 2019], as part of the fulfillment of these promises, a ship of the new BMC Turkish Kirpi II armored vehicles arrived at the Libyan Tripoli port in Turkey from Turkey. Thus, in Libya we now have Turkish armored vehicles that will fight against the armored vehicles Panthera T6, Panthera F9, etc. supplied by the United Arab Emirates for the troops of Haftar.

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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Sun May 19, 2019 10:54 am

    Haftar has backings from UAE,SA,US,France and Russia combined. I am really curious about each backing country's intention in doing that.

    At the end of the day, Haftar will have to decide his final partner in building his own reign. He cant pursue this club dance with all backers forever.

    GNA is not perfect option for a suitable government for Libya though, but at least they were the legitimate structure after Libyan conflict. Thats why they have a seat in UN.

    Haftar is number one threat for Turkey in Libya as he accepts European demands on giving up EEZ borders that Turkey assumes mutual with Libya. Haftar literally betrays to his own country by doing so.

    What Russians would benefit from him is another story yet to be seen and understood.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun May 19, 2019 11:08 am

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Haftar has backings from UAE,SA,US,France and Russia combined. ..
    Haftar is number one threat for Turkey in Libya as he accepts European demands on giving up EEZ borders that Turkey assumes mutual with Libya.
    I'm not sure the US actively supports him- IMO they just don't support the GNA. EEZs of Libya & Turkey r too far apart- Italy's EEZ, the closest to Libya, is none of Turkey's business.
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Sun May 19, 2019 11:19 am

    Libyan eastern most EEZ border does border Turkey's western most EEZ boundary. Greek claims nullify Turkish coastline effect but it is unfair. Thats why Libya is crucial for Turkish claims.

    As for Italy they support GNA as well.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun May 19, 2019 11:37 am

    https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/worldarmedforcesforum/conflicting-eez-views-of-greece-and-turkey-in-the--t211324-s40.html?sid=7154f9744068d5482b7111dc986da5fa

    How would the EU redraw the Libyan EEZ & how will it affect Turkey?
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:41 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/towersight/status/1144478565812936704

    Javlin missiles captured by GNA.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:14 am


    AFP news agency
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    #BREAKING Libyan commander Haftar orders forces to attack Turkish ships and interests in the country, according to spokesman
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:04 am

    Isos wrote:
    AFP news agency
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    #BREAKING Libyan commander Haftar orders forces to attack Turkish ships and interests in the country, according to spokesman


    I wasn't keeping up, why Turkey?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:06 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:
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    I wasn't keeping up, why Turkey?

    The Turks support his rivals.

    The LNA lost Gharyan two days ago, his offensive has failed and stalled out.

    Has I said, unless he can win and fast he will get bogged down and fail.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:52 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    The Turks support his rivals.

    The LNA lost Gharyan two days ago, his offensive has failed and stalled out.

    Has I said, unless he can win and fast he will get bogged down and fail.

    With two battalions defecting from the GNA it is less about controlling ground and more about loyalty.  Hafter has the oil which Total is paying royalties directly to him for his protection.  GNA has no funds.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:46 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    The Turks support his rivals.

    The LNA lost Gharyan two days ago, his offensive has failed and stalled out.

    Has I said, unless he can win and fast he will get bogged down and fail.

    With two battalions defecting from the GNA it is less about controlling ground and more about loyalty.  Hafter has the oil which Total is paying royalties directly to him for his protection.  GNA has no funds.

    GNA is being funded by the ones who want them to remain in control of the Capital if that funding stops then sure the LNA will have no hard time with em.

    Those were weak and undermanned divisions, I agree any defection hurts the GNA but it wasn't two full-strength battalions.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:36 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Russia definitely does NOT back Haftar.  He is a French and Arab pawn.  

    FGM-148 Javelins that were captured from of Field Marshal Haftar's Libyan National Army (LNA), by the Government of the National Accord (PNS), belonged to French special forces and were in stock, as they were damaged and temporarily stored for subsequent destruction.
    But this explanation then actually puts the situation in such a way that it turns out that French special forces are on the side of LNA. France’s support for Haftar is certainly not a secret, but Paris somehow tried not to advertise its direct participation in the Tripoli attack.

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    Post  Isos on Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:05 pm

    Chinese are probably trying to buy some of them to GNA and they will probably succeed. So IMO in two or 3 months there will be a chinese Javelin presented for export.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:04 am

    Isos wrote:Chinese are probably trying to buy some of them to GNA and they will probably succeed. So IMO in two or 3 months there will be a chinese Javelin presented for export.

    The Javelin's been around for 2 decades, if they wanted a copy, they would have done it already.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:12 am

    Two Ukrainian Il-76TD transport aircraft destroyed in Libya

    Reportedly, on the night of July 26, 2019 in Libya at the airfield of Al-Jufra, controlled by Libyan National Army (LNA), Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar, two IL-76TD transport aircraft were destroyed by an air strike of the forces of the Government of the National Accord (PNS) of Libya (Ukrainian registration numbers UR-CMC and UR-CRP), belonging to the Ukrainian airline LLC "Europe Air". At the same time, the commander of the crew of one of the planes, Vladimir Bukhalsky, died. The blow, according to a number of reports, was inflicted by Turkish unarmed aerial vehicles TB2 Bayraktar used by the PNS forces. Both Ukrainian aircraft were chartered by the United Arab Emirates and were used to deliver weapons from the Emirates to Field Marshal Haftar’s forces.

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    Sources from among the retirees of the 25th Transport Aviation Brigade residing in the city of Nikolaev, who wished to remain incognito, reported that the flights were also performed by military retirees, including the aircraft commander Il-76TD and UR-CMC board number, a citizen of Ukraine V. Bukhalsky AT. According to the source, the aircraft was attacked by a UAV, the commander tried to save ship's documents and died.

    Killed one of the most experienced pilots of the 25th Guards Moscow Aviation Brigade of transport aviation, based in Melitopol (military unit A3840), - Vladimir Bukhalsky, who once served as deputy commander of the airborne brigade. He passed more than one hot spot, took part in many operations of the Northern Falcon. Had he ever been in Libya, where he died. In 2011, he was the commander of the crew of the plane that took Ukrainians from Libya with the start of riots. In August 2012, the crew under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Vladimir Bukhalsky flew to Damascus to evacuate Ukrainians from Syria.

    He graduated from the Tambov Higher Aviation School in 1992. He served in Zaporozhye, where his parents still live. In 1998 transferred to Melitopol. Here he became commander of an airship, commander of a detachment, deputy commander of a squadron and deputy commander of the Melitopol air raid, Dmitry Mymrikov.

    As noted on the site of the JSC "Ilyushin" the life of the vessel expires on August 31, 2019.
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    By board number on FlightRadar24, EPV-1506 flight was last recorded over the territory of Egypt, in the direction of Libya.

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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:06 am

    Isos wrote:Chinese are probably trying to buy some of them to GNA and they will probably succeed. So IMO in two or 3 months there will be a chinese Javelin presented for export.

    Does China back GNA?

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