Scottish Indepedence

Luckily, Scotland has Cameron who, judging by his statements, should be the pinup boy of the Scottish independent movement.

A lot will depend on decision of Scotland about their independence and membership in NATO and on a deal with UK what military equipment Scotland will inherit.

On the other hand Kingdom of Scotland in history have good relations with France, so maybe even now they will more consider french equipment than russian. But who knows, Russia could also offer them good stuff.

I have spoken to many Scottish residents, none of them thinks it will pass.  I certainly hope it does, there are very few things I would rather see than the dissolution of the UK.

Vladimir79 wrote:I certainly hope it does, there are very few things I would rather see than the dissolution of the UK.

Mind if I ask Why ? They built an empire by subjugating and torturing people across the world . When the British finally left their colonies these countries were left as barren wasteland .

When the USSR retreated from its empire, these countries were left as modern and industrialized nations with the probable exception of Afghanistan , but that was a different ball game.

only issue i see about France is that westminister is very friendly with them and i think France would side with westminister than scotlland, after all its westminister and France who go around getting involved with foreign countries affairs along with the USA.

medo wrote:A lot will depend on decision of Scotland about their independence and membership in NATO and on a deal with UK what military equipment Scotland will inherit.

On the other hand Kingdom of Scotland in history have good relations with France, so maybe even now they will more consider french equipment than russian. But who knows, Russia could also offer them good stuff.

Well it depends on whats Scots you speak to, if there protestant then they want to be kept under westminister's boot, but if there catholic or have a brain in there head, then they want independence. I for one will be voting YES for independence next year.

Vladimir79 wrote:I have spoken to many Scottish residents, none of them thinks it will pass.  I certainly hope it does, there are very few things I would rather see than the dissolution of the UK.

That was long ago, Scotland isnt a barren wasteland, it has a strong economy and huge renewable energy sources, aswell among other things, infact scotland is out perfoming most the UK.

Mind if I ask Why ? They built an empire by subjugating and torturing people across the world . When the British finally left their colonies these countries were left as barren wasteland .

When the USSR retreated from its empire, these countries were left as modern and industrialized nations with the probable exception of Afghanistan , but that was a different ball game.[/quote]

Well British apparently have huge fears worst might happen so they are securing themselves in every possible way.

Media: Database of nuclear submarines in Scotland may pass under the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom

The trouble with Scotland... is that it's full of Scots!!

Vladimir79 wrote:I have spoken to many Scottish residents, none of them thinks it will pass.  I certainly hope it does, there are very few things I would rather see than the dissolution of the UK.

Wow! But why?

flamming_python wrote:The trouble with Scotland... is that it's full of Scots!!

 

Viktor wrote:

flamming_python wrote:The trouble with Scotland... is that it's full of Scots!!

 

it wont be long intill the croats are moving here to take advantage of the welfare and benefits system now there paryt of eu

d_taddei2 wrote:it wont be long intill the croats are moving here to take advantage of the welfare and benefits system now there paryt of eu

Thats for sure. Situation here is alarming and no government press is telling the truth (not even close to it. It is like one big massive black information hole).

Anyway Croats have long history of emigration because of different reasons and I personally dont know a single person who would not like to go and live

some place else (not only EU).

From my outsider's perspective, Scottish nationalism is essentially very empty. They talk about independence and referendums but they are heavily addicted to welfare payments from England. Ultimately the threats to leave the United Kingdom are intended simply to extract concessions in the form of more wealth transfer payments and perhaps some local autonomy, but they don't want to leave and go it on their own.

I don't see much in the way of genuine nationalists in Scotland. But again, as I said, that is my outsider's perspective.

I certainly hope it does, there are very few things I would rather see than the dissolution of the UK.

They have certainly worked long and hard at trying to achieve the same with Russia so I am not surprised by your wish.

If Scotland leaves then I wonder if a name change to NSGB, (Not So Great Britain), Or the Less United Kingdom (LUK).

Seeing how the rest of the UK is currently faring (from a social point of view), I think it would be in Scotland's best interest to become independant.

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Teachers-Derby-s-Muslim-school-ordered-wear/story-19822232-detail/story.html

Vladimir Putin has refused to get involved in Scottish Inpendence, but hasnt ruled out Scotland joining the Customs Union if it waqnted to.


http://www.eastlothiannews.co.uk/news/scottish-news/russia-avoids-independence-question-1-3274168


interesting

What outcome you predict on independence referendum?

the yes vote is getting stronger. I am all for independence. alittle home work shows we would be much better off.

I even posted a topic on here about Russian equipment an independent Scotland could (and should ) get.

Vladimir Putin has refused to get involved in Scottish Inpendence,

Evil, land grabbing, communist leader, undermines the democracy of Scotland by sitting on the fence and promising not to get involved...

The EU repeatedly tells Russia what it needs to do... the US tells Putin to let this punk rock band out of prison, or to repeal this or that law on homosexuality... getting harder and harder to tell the good guys from the bad guys... NOT.

GarryB wrote:

Vladimir Putin has refused to get involved in Scottish Inpendence,

Evil, land grabbing, communist leader, undermines the democracy of Scotland by sitting on the fence and promising not to get involved...

The EU repeatedly tells Russia what it needs to do... the US tells Putin to let this punk rock band out of prison, or to repeal this or that law on homosexuality... getting harder and harder to tell the good guys from the bad guys... NOT.

More like US tells Russia to allow public acts of masturbation using a frozen chicken as a dildo, or be sanctioned for crimes against humanity.

Putin is correct, Scottish independence is a mater of Scots votes in referendum. All other depend on negotiations between Edinburgh and London.

I personally doubt, that Scots will join Custom Union, more probably they will join EU.

What do you think about British referendum to go out of EU?

medo wrote:Putin is correct, Scottish independence is a mater of Scots votes in referendum. All other depend on negotiations between Edinburgh and London.

I personally doubt, that Scots will join Custom Union, more probably they will join EU.

What do you think about British referendum to go out of EU?

I would prefer a world referendum to kick Brits out from this planet.

if you are going to Scotland; you need to be prepared, this introduction may help


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFubsxHTApw

d_taddei2 wrote:the yes vote is getting stronger. I am all for independence

I have a hunch it'll go the other way. Hope you're right though.
Could fill a few pages here about my drunken nights in Glasgow and Edinborough...but best keep silent   
Love Scotland though. Beautiful country (well, except Glasgow perhaps  ).

BBC wrote:Scottish independence: Barroso says joining EU would be 'difficult'

BBC wrote:European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has said it would be "extremely difficult, if not impossible" for an independent Scotland to join the European Union.

Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr show he said independent Scotland would have to apply for membership and get the approval of all current member states.

I'll bet that if the Scots were to as much as hint at negotiating with Russia and China about joining the SCO, all of those "complications" will soon dissappear.
The propaganda against Scottish independence in British/EU media is on par with the Russia smearing campaign.
Though I don't think the Scots will choose independence, I surely hope they do and tell both Westminster and Brussels to p-ss off!!!

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