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    Scottish Admirals in Russian Imperial Navy

    Post  Godric on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:42 pm

    never knew this but it was a Scottish Admiral in the service of the Russian empire that  founded Sevastopol and the Russian naval base, his father  also served in the Russian navy as a rear admiral and his mother was alo the daughter  of another Scottish admiral in the service of the Russian empire Thomas Gordon

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_MacKenzie_(Russian_admiral)
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    Re: Scottish Admirals in Russian Imperial Navy

    Post  kvs on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:53 pm

    Godric wrote:never knew this but it was a Scottish Admiral in the service of the Russian empire that  founded Sevastopol and the Russian naval base, his father  also served in the Russian navy as a rear admiral and his mother was alo the daughter  of another Scottish admiral in the service of the Russian empire Thomas Gordon

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_MacKenzie_(Russian_admiral)

    There seems to have been a few Scots that were historical figures in Russia. The poet Lermontov comes to mind.

    Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov was born in Moscow into a respectable noble family, and grew up in the village of Tarkhany (now Lermontovo in Penza Oblast).[2] His paternal family descended from the Scottish family of Learmonth, and can be traced to Yuri (George) Learmonth, a Scottish officer in the Polish-Lithuanian service who settled in Russia in the middle of the 17th century.[3][4][5] He had been captured by the Russian troops in Poland in the early 17th century, during the reign (1613–1645) of Mikhail Fyodorovich Romanov.[2] Family legend asserted that George Learmonth descended from the famed 13th-century Scottish poet Thomas the Rhymer (also known as Thomas Learmonth).[2] Lermontov's father, Yuri Petrovich Lermontov, like his father before him, followed a military career. Having moved up the ranks to captain, he married the sixteen-year-old Maria Mikhaylovna Arsenyeva, a wealthy young heiress of a prominent aristocratic Stolypin family. Lermontov's maternal grandmother, Elizaveta Arsenyeva (née Stolypina), regarded their marriage as a mismatch and deeply disliked her son-in-law.[6] On October 15, 1814, in Moscow where the family temporarily moved to, Maria gave birth to her son Mikhail.[7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov

    There were other such "contractors" like Hieronymus Karl Friedrich (aka Baron Munchausen). Some of them settled and some of them went
    back home.
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    Re: Scottish Admirals in Russian Imperial Navy

    Post  Godric on Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:02 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Godric wrote:never knew this but it was a Scottish Admiral in the service of the Russian empire that  founded Sevastopol and the Russian naval base, his father  also served in the Russian navy as a rear admiral and his mother was alo the daughter  of another Scottish admiral in the service of the Russian empire Thomas Gordon

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_MacKenzie_(Russian_admiral)

    There seems to have been a few Scots that were historical figures in Russia.   The poet Lermontov comes to mind.

    Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov was born in Moscow into a respectable noble family, and grew up in the village of Tarkhany (now Lermontovo in Penza Oblast).[2] His paternal family descended from the Scottish family of Learmonth, and can be traced to Yuri (George) Learmonth, a Scottish officer in the Polish-Lithuanian service who settled in Russia in the middle of the 17th century.[3][4][5] He had been captured by the Russian troops in Poland in the early 17th century, during the reign (1613–1645) of Mikhail Fyodorovich Romanov.[2] Family legend asserted that George Learmonth descended from the famed 13th-century Scottish poet Thomas the Rhymer (also known as Thomas Learmonth).[2] Lermontov's father, Yuri Petrovich Lermontov, like his father before him, followed a military career. Having moved up the ranks to captain, he married the sixteen-year-old Maria Mikhaylovna Arsenyeva, a wealthy young heiress of a prominent aristocratic Stolypin family. Lermontov's maternal grandmother, Elizaveta Arsenyeva (née Stolypina), regarded their marriage as a mismatch and deeply disliked her son-in-law.[6] On October 15, 1814, in Moscow where the family temporarily moved to, Maria gave birth to her son Mikhail.[7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lermontov

    There were other such "contractors" like Hieronymus Karl Friedrich (aka Baron Munchausen).   Some of them settled and some of them went
    back home.

    a lot of Scots see Russia/USSR as a kindred nation ... we are pretty much a socialist nation ... in the summer i wear my red T-Shirt With CCCP emblazoned with a hammer and sickle .. i get stopped all the time with guys asking where i got it from

    Ewan Mcgregor's Long way around road bike documentary with Charlie Boardman 9 minutes 50 seconds in McGregor's comparing the rugged beauty of Siberia with Scotland and Boardman calling it a sh!tehole

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    Re: Scottish Admirals in Russian Imperial Navy

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:19 am

    Ewan Mcgregor's Long way around road bike documentary with Charlie Boardman 9 minutes 50 seconds in McGregor's comparing the rugged beauty of Siberia with Scotland and Boardman calling it a sh!tehole

    The problem with long way rounds and indeed long way down was they just rode through places.

    They didn't stop and spend any real time anywhere... it is just like getting a window seat and flying from airport to airport around the world... OK you have been around the world and you would sit next to some different people but it is not really much more than a flight or drive anywhere... like to work and home each day.

    Boreman would probably call anything less than a 4 star hotel a sh!thole... didn't Jeremy Clarkson get fired from Top Gear again because he didn't get a hot meal after a days filming... I mean these british presenters are a bit soft... of course they are not going to like places where to cook you have to start a fire... no microwave to be seen.


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    Re: Scottish Admirals in Russian Imperial Navy

    Post  Godric on Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:44 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Ewan Mcgregor's Long way around road bike documentary with Charlie Boardman 9 minutes 50 seconds in McGregor's comparing the rugged beauty of Siberia with Scotland and Boardman calling it a sh!tehole

    The problem with long way rounds and indeed long way down was they just rode through places.

    They didn't stop and spend any real time anywhere... it is just like getting a window seat and flying from airport to airport around the world... OK you have been around the world and you would sit next to some different people but it is not really much more than a flight or drive anywhere... like to work and home each day.

    Boreman would probably call anything less than a 4 star hotel a sh!thole... didn't Jeremy Clarkson get fired from Top Gear again because he didn't get a hot meal after a days filming... I mean these british presenters are a bit soft... of course they are not going to like places where to cook you have to start a fire... no microwave to be seen.

    very true Garry ... but a article has appeared in one of our newspapers apparently Scots are descendants of Russian Nomads according to our genes ... who'd of thought it Scots and Russians love of strong alcohol lol

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/genetics-show-many-scots-are-descended-from-russian-nomads-1-4272744
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    Re: Scottish Admirals in Russian Imperial Navy

    Post  kvs on Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:10 pm

    There is an ancestral Scotland in the Urals.  It is called Udmurtia.   Udmurts have a lot of physical similarity to Scots (e.g. red hair)



    There is evidence that modern Europeans (including the Celts) originated in Central Asia and moved both west and east. Archeological digs have unearth
    Caucasian mummies and tartan weave fabric from kurgans in the region of Mongolia.

    https://japanesemythology.wordpress.com/in-the-news-celticmummies-may-be-the-clue-as-to-how-european-celtic-ideas-and-mythical-elements-crept-into-east-asian-culture/

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    Re: Scottish Admirals in Russian Imperial Navy

    Post  Godric on Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:22 pm

    we have the highest concentration of red heads in the world 16% of Scots are red headed and 52% have the recessive red hair gene (which i have and my twin sister whose hair is now turning ginger/red) and Ireland is 2nd so their must be truth in those genetic samples that Scotland and Ireland are long lost Russian tribes because Scots also originated from Ireland they later merged with the native red headed Picts to form Scotland
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    5 Russian Admirals ...

    Post  Godric on Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:33 am

    of the old Russian Empire were Scots no other country has been so highly represented in the Admiralty of the Russian Navy's history or came close to it:

    Admiral Samuel Greig, Admiral Thomas Gordon, Rear Admiral John Paul Jones (1 of 3 founders of the US navy),  Rear Admiral Thomas Mackenzie Snr and Rear Admiral Thomas Mackenzie Jnr (founded the port of Sevastopol )

    On 28 June 1782 he was promoted to captain of major-general rank, and on 1 January 1783 to rear admiral in the Black Sea fleet. With a squadron of nine frigates and some smaller ships, he wintered in the practically uninhabited bay of Akhtiar on the Crimean peninsula. He cleared the shore of forests and founded the city of Sevastopol on 14 June [O.S. 3 June] 1783.

    At MacKenzie's initiative the city was developed, with a shipyard, shops, hospital and church, as well as barracks and living quarters for officers. He worked to establish limestone quarries and developed the land to meet the supplies required by the wooden fleet, as well as food supplies.

    He is considered the first commander-in-chief of the port of Sevastopol. The MacKenzie Hills (Мекензиевые горы) on the outskirts of the city are named in his honour, and he was given a farmstead there by Potemkin as a reward for his service. He had a house in the city where Empress Catherine the Great would once later stay.

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