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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:00 pm

    Great thought but that will hardly have the Israelis quaking in their boots and planning a change in strategy.
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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:14 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Great thought but that will hardly have the Israelis quaking in their boots and planning a change in strategy.

    it sets a precedence .... Israel does not take kindly to being criticised .... it will hurt more because Scotland is the only country not to have persecuted Jews in Europe ... Scotland has been a sanctuary for Jews throughout the centuries

    in Scotland standing up to their illegal settlements hopefully other countries in the EU and beyond follow suit
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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:18 pm

    Godric wrote:Israel will face sanctions from Scotland when we leave the UK and we won't be kow towed by America to drop them

    Sure lol!
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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:40 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:Israel will face sanctions from Scotland when we leave the UK and we won't be kow towed by America to drop them

    Sure lol!

    remind us how it went with Scotland telling the US to mind their own business in regards to the so called Lockerbie bomber abdelbaset al megrahi convicted on the grounds of evidence provided by 2 paid CIA informants (unknown at the time) when we announced we were releasing him .... we don't answer to America and the SNP government has heavily criticised the Israelis government and stated they would put sanctions on them

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:33 am

    Such a shame that your dream may never be realised. But then at least the impotence of a probably poor and small country will not be exposed.
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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:49 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Such a shame that your dream may never be realised. But then at least the impotence of a probably poor and small country will not be exposed.

    seriously you haven't a clue John ... if threats and bullying is the UK establishment is the only tools left to keep the UK "United" then it is obvious that union is finished ... i think you will find the rest of the UK will lose way more For example its seat in the permanent council of the UN as you will no longer be the UK, over £65 billion exports to Scotland all Scotland's exports will leave from Scottish ports and airports 10s of thousands of oil and gas jobs in England back to Scotland you have very little oil and Gas and the maritime borders will have to be redrawn back to 1999 when the westminster redrew Scottish maritime borders without the consent of Scotland and UNCLOS when the rUK grabbed 6,000 square miles of Scotland's maritime waters ... we have vast amounts of oil and gas reserves worth trillions in even todays prices, we have large deposits of gold untapped over 200 tonnes in one site alone nr Loch Lomond ... i think you will find we will do just fine

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:07 pm

    Godric wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Such a shame that your dream may never be realised. But then at least the impotence of a probably poor and small country will not be exposed.

    seriously you haven't a clue John ... if threats and bullying is the UK establishment is the only tools left to keep the UK "United" then it is obvious that union is finished ... i think you will find the rest of the UK will lose way more  For example its seat in the permanent council of the UN as you will no longer be the UK, over £65 billion exports to Scotland all Scotland's exports will leave from Scottish ports and airports 10s of thousands of oil and gas jobs in England back to Scotland you have very little oil and Gas and the maritime borders will have to be redrawn back to 1999 when the westminster redrew Scottish maritime borders without the consent of Scotland and UNCLOS when the rUK grabbed 6,000 square miles of Scotland's maritime waters ... we have vast amounts of oil and gas reserves worth trillions in even todays prices, we have large deposits of gold untapped over 200 tonnes in one site alone nr Loch Lomond ... i think you will find we will do just fine
    As I have said, I love your optimism and hope. I wish you God speed and, from the perspective of serf in middle England I hope it all happens and we lose both Scotland and the seat on the UNSC. But, I am not sure:

    - that anyone other than a few in Scotland will be aware that they are being "bullied", it will be part of an honest, open and factual discussion of the financial implications of independence

    - what we export that is worth £65B to Scotland and if we do where the alternative economic supply is for you as Scots will still want their Range Rovers, Astras, Nissans etc. Just as we will still want you whiskey etc

    - if it was economic then Scotland's exports would already be going from Scotland's ports/airports. As I have said before, even most of your salmon goes via Heathrow as cargo in planes leaving from there. Those planes will never go to their destinations from Scotland

    - there are no longer 10s of thousands of jobs in oil. With oil under $50 new undersea fields are no longer viable and exploration in them around the world has virtually stopped

    - as the last point, ownership of the seabed is now irrelevant. But you are welcome to it as restitution costs are going to be serious

    - good luck with the gold.
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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  franco on Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:57 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Such a shame that your dream may never be realised. But then at least the impotence of a probably poor and small country will not be exposed.

    Troll much Very Happy
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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:47 pm

    The Scottish First Minister has just announced she will be starting the process for a 2nd Scottish Independence referendum the UK is in a spin with support for Independence at 50% without even campaigning with the Scottish Greens the Yes movement has the majority in Holyrood again .... bring it f**king on

    http://news.sky.com/story/sturgeon-seeks-second-scottish-independence-referendum-10800578

    stick yer trident up the Thames
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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:12 am

    Can I ask Godric, how has this evolved...

    Scotland is sick of being dictated to by London, but will leave the Britian to be dictated to by Brussels.

    I just find it odd.

    I mean I can semi understand it in the sense that we here in New Zealand wanted independence from London, but wanted to remain part of the british commonwealth... but that was mostly economic and really has no real meaning now as the EU dictates trade to us now.

    For instance France murders a photographer in New Zealand and then threatens us that we wont be able to trade within the EU if we don't just shut up and ignore their act of terrorism.

    No help from the UK and silence of course from interpol... I think a lot of New Zealanders started to turn to the US after all that...


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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:45 pm

    GarryB wrote:Can I ask Godric, how has this evolved...

    Scotland is sick of being dictated to by London, but will leave the Britian to be dictated to by Brussels.

    I just find it odd.

    I mean I can semi understand it in the sense that we here in New Zealand wanted independence from London, but wanted to remain part of the british commonwealth... but that was mostly economic and really has no real meaning now as the EU dictates trade to us now.

    For instance France murders a photographer in New Zealand and then threatens us that we wont be able to trade within the EU if we don't just shut up and ignore their act of terrorism.

    No help from the UK and silence of course from interpol... I think a lot of New Zealanders started to turn to the US after all that...

    Brussels is very different from Westminster/London our parliament has very little control over everything that matters leaving the UK and remaining in the EU will give Holyrood control over almost everything ... only a small percentage of power will be transferred over to Brussels ... you have to understand Scotland's history to understand our connection with Europe ... The Scottish alliance with France is the oldest in history dating back to 1296 AD and is still in operation 720 years later

    and with Scotland leaving the UK it throws a massive spanner in Nato they would lose control of a massive area of the North Atlantic

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