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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:39 pm

    2SPOOKY4U wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
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    Vladimir Putin has refused to get involved in Scottish Inpendence,

    Evil, land grabbing, communist leader, undermines the democracy of Scotland by sitting on the fence and promising not to get involved...

    The EU repeatedly tells Russia what it needs to do... the US tells Putin to let this punk rock band out of prison, or to repeal this or that law on homosexuality... getting harder and harder to tell the good guys from the bad guys... NOT.


    More like US tells Russia to allow public acts of masturbation using a frozen chicken as a dildo, or be sanctioned for crimes against humanity.
    Did they seriously do this? Did Pussy Riot actually do this? If they did I would laugh until I choked, can anyone find a good article that actually tells information on Pussy Riot and what they did and why they are jailed? All I can find is U.S. Propaganda and "Free Pussy Riot" internal media consumption.  
    Here's an old article:
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/23/the-secret-history-of-pussy-riot/

    And here's the video:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aea_1343072683

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:53 pm

    I would just like to point out it ain't over yet ... their will be another referendum coming and with the growth of the SNP we will win it ... as for Nato f**k Nato as a socialist I am for Russia

    in the UK general election the SNP has 54% of the support and looks like capturing all 59 Scottish seats and next year will see the Holyrood election which will bring a mandate for another referendum

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Fri May 01, 2015 1:56 am

    Better luck this time comrade!

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  kvs on Fri May 01, 2015 1:59 am

    It's too bad the North Sea oil and gas reserves were basically depleted before Scotland could properly take
    advantage of them. I believe that Thatcher's economic "success" was 100% due to the oil and gas revenues
    coming on stream after 1979. Of course, this aspect is ignored when extolling Mrs. Monetarism.

    However, I will give all the western politicians before 1990 credit for having some caliber. They are just a
    waste of space these days. And that actually makes things extremely dangerous. Their collective decisions
    could lead to a nuclear war and are leading to economic ruin.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri May 01, 2015 4:28 am

    kvs wrote:It's too bad the North Sea oil and gas reserves were basically depleted before Scotland could properly take
    advantage of them.   I believe that Thatcher's economic "success" was 100% due to the oil and gas revenues
    coming on stream after 1979.   Of course, this aspect is ignored when extolling Mrs. Monetarism.  

    However, I will give all the western politicians before 1990 credit for having some caliber.  They are just a
    waste of space these days.   And that actually makes things extremely dangerous.  Their collective decisions
    could lead to a nuclear war and are leading to economic ruin.


    They aren't depleted they have found another 6 sites and the whole of the west coast hasn't been explored due to Trident being based in the area. Scientists claim there could be one of the biggest oil fields off the west coast. Westminister knows this thats why they tried so hard to stop Scotland from leaving.

    the SNP are now the third biggest party in the UK and i think the last referendum just strengthened the SNP and the cause for independence, and believe one day in the not so distant future Scotland will become independent. Westminister lied and duped the people of Scotland into voting no but they realise this now and they won't fall for it a second time.

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Fri May 01, 2015 11:15 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    kvs wrote:It's too bad the North Sea oil and gas reserves were basically depleted before Scotland could properly take
    advantage of them.   I believe that Thatcher's economic "success" was 100% due to the oil and gas revenues
    coming on stream after 1979.   Of course, this aspect is ignored when extolling Mrs. Monetarism.  

    However, I will give all the western politicians before 1990 credit for having some caliber.  They are just a
    waste of space these days.   And that actually makes things extremely dangerous.  Their collective decisions
    could lead to a nuclear war and are leading to economic ruin.


    They aren't depleted they have found another 6 sites and the whole of the west coast hasn't been explored due to Trident being based in the area. Scientists claim there could be one of the biggest oil fields off the west coast. Westminister knows this thats why they tried so hard to stop Scotland from leaving.

    the SNP are now the third biggest party in the UK and i think the last referendum just strengthened the SNP and the cause for independence, and believe one day in the not so distant future Scotland will become independent. Westminister lied and duped the people of Scotland into voting no but they realise this now and they won't fall for it a second time.

    well said d_taddei2 we are surrounded by oil and gas off our east coast, off our northern coast and off our west coast and geological surveys done in the 1990s claim their is more oil and gas off our western margin than their ever was in the north sea they expect a 100 years of industrial levels of oil and gas extraction off our west coast alone North sea has 24 billion barrels of extractable oil reserves alone and they said that was a drop in a basin compared to our west coast margin reserves

    the Snp has now 105,000 - 115,000 members from a population of 5.3 million

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  kvs on Fri May 01, 2015 1:48 pm

    I hope that it works out and peacefully. I don't see certain parties playing fair, ever.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/north-sea-oil-production-continues-to-slide-1424736097

    After reading numbers like 70% decline since the 1999 peak, it looks like serious depletion. But you are right, the whole shelf has not
    been scoured clean.

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Sat May 09, 2015 9:13 am

    The first step towards another referendum SNP won 56 out of a possible 59 seats in the UK election and with the holyrood election next year will give the SNP/Greens another mandate to hold another referendum ... and with the conservatives winning out right a EU referendum in 2017 will lead to another Indy referendum or the failure to deliver the powers promised just before the referendum vote either way another referendum is coming respekt

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:15 pm

    Conservative Party have just slit their throat by breaking the vow they made before September the 18th around "The Scottish parliament could only be abolished by the Scottish parliament itself following a referendum of the Scottish people" they voted against this amendment! as part of the Scottish bill

    The result was (approx) 320 to 280.

    thus Westminster can vote to abolish Holyrood at any time .... with SNP sitting at 60% on the Holyrood vote you can bet their will be another referendum soon after the 2016 Holyrood election ... the no campaign has a massive problem who to front their campaign all the political big hitters have lost their seats and Labour's finances as well as the party in Scotland is a complete shambles they are in no fit shape to run any campaign like they did with the No campaign last time round cheers

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:31 pm

    support for Independence is now up to 53% according to todays poll even though Independence has not been on the forefront of the SNP campaign of late .... the unionists have every right to worry thumbsup

    http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/1327913-stv-poll-scots-would-vote-yes-if-a-second-referendum-were-held-now/

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:58 pm

    As an Englishman I wish you guys had voted for independence as I believe all should have a choice. There may well be, as said above, lots of oil under the sea to the west of Scotland but North Sea experience show that it would be years, if not decades, before it was being pumped out and turned into tax revenue. Also, it will be very expensive to do so. The problem that Scotland would have is trying to maintain its current level of prosperity until then. The following puts it pretty bluntly and there is a very good chart at the link showing the effect of different oil prices.

    Oil Price Crash and SNP Independent Scotland

    Nothing illustrates the magnitude of the potential catastrophe that was the SNP's economic programme for an Independent Scotland (I.S.) that was reliant on an oil price well NORTH of $120 so as to turn Scotland into the promised land of milk and honey, the picture being painted was of an Independant Scotland (I.S.) of a paradise on earth, not that far removed from reality then that which the Syrian I.S. paints for the worlds gullible muslims that crave a fast track to paradise.

    With every dip in the oil price SNP propaganda responded with the price drop being just temporary instead as we have seen a year on the economic collapse of an Independent Scotland would have been spectacular even worse then that of Bankrupt Greece, e SNP's Economic Baldrick-esk Master Plan for an Independent Scotland that was wholly based on reaping huge rewards from North Sea oil exports where SNP propaganda had convinced many Scots to Vote to effectively commit economic and social suicide by voting Yes in last Septembers referendum that came close to achieving the catastrophe on the basis of propaganda implying upwards of £7 billion in North Sea oil tax revenues that would be raised to finance Scotland's budgetary black hole, which in the fever pitch of the campaign had reached the heights of £11 billion so as to exaggerate the degree to which Scotland could prosper and fill the void left by the withdrawal of the English subsidy that currently amounts to £9 billion per year.

    Even the Governor of the Bank of England stepped in at the start of the year by warning "the Scottish economy was heading for a “negative shock”.

    The problem with SNP economic propaganda is that it was based on a oil price being well NORTH of $100 per barrel, however a sub $50 oil price does not just mean that an Independent Scotland would have made half the forecast tax revenues i.e. £3.5 to £5 billion, instead the reality is that an Independant Scotland today would be forced to bear COSTS in support of a collapsing oil industry, just as the UK government has stepped in to support the Scottish oil industry to the tune of £1.5 billion. So an Independant Scotland would today have a negative cash flow from North Sea oil of about -1.5 billion a year and it is this that illustrates the magnitude of the catastrophe that Scotland only just missed if they had fallen for SNP nationalist fanaticism.

    However the rhetoric from SNP fanatics has not changed and given the impending May 2017 EU referendum then Scotland could still vote to commit suicide and thus trigger a series of 'inevitable' consequences that turns the video warning into a reality, much as which has taken place in Syria and Ukraine.


    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article52068.html

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:33 pm

    that website is a joke ... you do realise the entire area of Scotland voted for the SNP and liberals only won the Shetland and Orkneys with a slim majority through lies and the sitting MP is going on trial for said lies ... every time a news team goes to the islands and ask the locals their national identity they say they are Scottish ... this breakaway group touted by the liberals has 130 members and only 3 of them live in the Orkney's and Shetlands ... oil and gas we are surrounded with oil and gas not just in the north sea 24 billion barrels, we have vast reserves in the north atlantic margin and West coast margin including the Clyde basin ... oil has plunge for 1 reason "Saudi Arabia" as for our economy .... yeah right oil and gas makes up less than 13% of our economy when it was at $120 a barrel ... oil and gas is just the jam our economy is diverse with a massive banking centre with assets worth over £1.7 trillion (bank of England's figures) do you honestly think our banks will stick with the rUK if Scotland stays in the EU and the rUK leaves ... Edinburgh is already a financial centre which will only grow bigger under independence ... we have massive renewable energy sectors we produce more electricity than we need ... the bulk of our exports leave through England in Independence our exports will leave through Scottish ports and Airports .... Heathrow's biggest single customer is Scottish Salmon ..... the majority of shellfish sold in France was harvested in Scotland by Scots ... we have 25% of Europe's maritime waters and the most profitable fishing waters in the EU our game industry is worth between £5 and £8 billion a year with titles like Grand theft auto and call of Duty programmed in Scotland ... I could go on and on ... our education is the best in Europe according to the ONS education is the building blocks to creating a prosperous economy ... Gers and IFS figures based Scottish economy on UK capital programmes that included HS2, 3rd airport in London and the £1 Trillion cost of modernising London's sewers and the renew trident ... costs we wouldn't have if we are independent ...


    if our economy was so weak ... then why won't Westminster give Holyrood control of our entire Economy ... the simple fact is with our Economy 8.4% of the UK provides 9.9% of the UK's taxes and via the barnet formula we receive 9.3% of the UK's taxes

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:48 pm

    Nicola Sturgeon the First Minister of Scotland and leader of the SNP announced at today's rally that the SNP will be campaigning for another Scottish Referendum in the summer regardless of the UK EU referendum result


    the Holyrood elections are being held on the 7th of May ... the SNP are set for another landslide majority victory

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/12/nicola-sturgeon-snp-to-resume-drive-for-scottish-independence#comment-70448098

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:25 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:

    Footage of that train still haunts as I watched it live on TV, same for the RTS LGB attack with that journalist brains getting poured out of his head.
    We remember.





    These you refer to i belive.

    Yeah... sadly, many Serbs forgot, or prefer to not remember.

    their is a video of the former SNP leader Alex Salmond in the UK Parliament lambasting the UK government and Nato for bombing Serbia and found it disgusting that NATO was bombing European cities on youtube ... i can't find it now

    early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:53 pm

    Godric wrote:

    early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

    I'm all in favour of Scotland having to stand on its own two feet but I don't think it will happen and this is not the thread to discuss it.

    All this stuff about Serbia shouldn't be here either.

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:28 pm

    Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

    Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
    If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.


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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:31 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

    Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
    If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.

    WTF has this to do with Ukraine???

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:40 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

    Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
    If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.

    WTF has this to do with Ukraine???

    It's a fitting response to a separatist post here. Move on and a direct your "WTF" posts elsewhere.

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:51 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

    Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
    If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.


    seriously you are like John you haven't a clue when it comes to Scotland Shetlands and Okney's are both Scottish and have been part of Scotland or indigenous Scotland for 2000 years out of the past 2,400 years ... you have 1 lib dem councillor shouting his mouth of equating to Independence for Orkney's and shetlands ffs

    my response was to Militarov's in regards to Nato bombing Serbia and the SNP were deeply opposed to Nato's bombing at the time ... SNP are very much pro UN and abiding by the UN

    oh and john their will be another Indy vote early next year

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:58 pm

    Godric wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

    Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
    If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.


    seriously you are like John you haven't a clue when it comes to Scotland Shetlands and Okney's are both Scottish and have been part of Scotland or indigenous Scotland for 2000 years out of the past 2,400 years ... you have 1 lib dem councillor shouting his mouth of equating to Independence for Orkney's and shetlands ffs

    my response was to Militarov's in regards to Nato bombing Serbia and the SNP were deeply opposed to Nato's bombing at the time  ... SNP are very much pro UN and abiding by the UN

    oh and john their will be another Indy vote early next year

    Insallah brother lol1

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Firebird on Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:35 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

    Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
    If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.


    That picture is so ugly, its almost funny.
    Thats Muslim's smugness is only overshadowed by his disbelief that the woman can be so moronic.

    I've no doubt that the way things are going, Britain will be much like 1990s Chechnya in around 20 or so years. Britain is already some kind of Orwellian state with all its harrassment of indigeneous citizens trying to speak their mind. The cops have to report "hate incidents" when no crime was commited but someone expresses disapproval eg of immigration. But if you try and report a real crime eg a violent attack/robbery/burglary etc they often refuse to record it because it might lower their "successful clearup" figures.

    I got banned from Facebook this week for pointing out that a Pakistani is not "British". And I cited ASIAN newspapers in Britain as my authority. Because every single Asian in Britain was described as "Asian" not "British" or "Asian British" in it

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:41 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:early next year will see the 2nd Scottish Independence referendum .... we will not be a member Nato will make a stipulation of Scotland's continuing of basing the rUKs nuclear deterrent at faslane  which will never be accepted by any political party in Scotland accept from the Scottish tories

    Don't mix these two issues. Shetland and Orkney will gladly keep the UK, same for major cities and counties in Scotland itself.
    If SNP wants to become the New Palestinian authority, they can go right ahead.


    That picture is so ugly, its almost funny.
    Thats Muslim's smugness is only overshadowed by his disbelief that the woman can be so moronic.

    I've no doubt that the way things are going, Britain will be much like 1990s Chechnya in around 20 or so years. Britain is already some kind of Orwellian state with all its harrassment of indigeneous citizens trying to speak their mind. The cops have to report "hate incidents" when no crime was commited but someone expresses disapproval eg of immigration. But if you try and report a real crime eg a violent attack/robbery/burglary etc they often refuse to record it because it might lower their "successful clearup" figures.

    I got banned from Facebook this week for pointing out that a Pakistani is not "British". And I cited ASIAN newspapers in Britain as my authority. Because every single Asian in Britain was described as "Asian" not "British" or "Asian British" in it


    muslims make up 0.5% of Scotland's population and the Scottish first Minister is the first minister of all of Scotland ... and by wearing a headscarf in place of muslim worship she is being respectful of their faith ... Scotland is a country of many faiths and No faith

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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:43 pm

    Godric wrote:muslims make up 0.5% of Scotland's population and the Scottish first Minister is the first minister of all of Scotland ... and by wearing a headscarf in place of muslim worship she is being respectful of their faith ... Scotland is a country of many faiths and No faith


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    temp scot independence

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:19 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:

    WTF has this to do with Ukraine???

    It's a fitting response to a separatist post here. Move on and a direct your "WTF" posts elsewhere.

    No problem. As you  instruct I will direct my WTF posts at any posts that take a thread here totally off topic.

    EDIT

    This post was moved, with others, from the Ukraine thread to take the Scottish stuff out of it and bring it here.


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    Re: Scottish Indepedence

    Post  Godric on Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:05 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:muslims make up 0.5% of Scotland's population and the Scottish first Minister is the first minister of all of Scotland ... and by wearing a headscarf in place of muslim worship she is being respectful of their faith ... Scotland is a country of many faiths and No faith


    we don't like what is going on in the West Bank .... Israel will face sanctions from Scotland when we leave the UK and we won't be kow towed by America to drop them

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